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what's the criteria for this 144,000 that 'll get saved at the rapture. lol.. seems like you gotta weed out a hell of a lot of them, eh? Who makes the cut.. What you gotta do is observe how yahweh operates and his past behavior. Well, you had the flood, eh.. where only noah and his family was left.. so that's pretty harsh. What about Lucifer.. I think he quit on his own and didn't get kicked out, eh. But you also had a third of the angels who quit.. I think that was 33M. So that's a lot. But I think they quit and didn't get "fired".

Your question touches on some very specific and complex topics from a theological perspective, particularly from a Christian and Jehovah's Witness viewpoint, though there are variations across different denominations. The number 144,000 is mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the Bible, and different Christian groups have different interpretations of its meaning.

Here is a breakdown of the criteria and interpretations you've mentioned:

The 144,000 The number 144,000 is found in Revelation 7:4 and Revelation 14:1-5.

Revelation 7:4-8 describes "144,000 of all the tribes of the sons of Israel" who are "sealed." It then lists twelve tribes, with 12,000 from each.

Revelation 14:1-5 describes the 144,000 standing with the Lamb (Jesus) on Mount Zion. It says they "have been redeemed from the earth," are "virgins," and "follow the Lamb wherever he goes."

Interpretations of the 144,000:

Literal Interpretation: Some groups, most notably Jehovah's Witnesses, interpret this number as a literal 144,000 individuals. They believe these are a specific group of faithful Christians who will be chosen to rule with Christ in heaven. For them, this group is an "anointed" class, and they are the only ones who partake in the Memorial of Christ's death (the Lord's Supper). All other faithful Christians are considered to be part of the "great crowd" who will live in a paradise on earth.

Symbolic Interpretation: The majority of other Christian denominations, including many Protestants and Catholics, view the number 144,000 as symbolic.

The number 12 is often seen as a number of completeness, representing the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles.

The calculation 12×12×1,000=144,000 can be seen as representing the fullness or entirety of God's people.

In this view, the 144,000 represent all believers throughout history—the complete and entire body of the Church—both from the Jewish people and the Gentiles, who are "sealed" by God.

Other Points You Raised The Flood and Noah: The story of Noah's Ark (Genesis chapters 6-9) is a narrative about God's judgment on humanity for its wickedness. The "saved" were Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives—eight people in total. The biblical account states that God chose to spare this family because "Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord" and was "a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time." This is not generally seen as a precedent for the number of people who will be "saved" in the end times, but rather as an example of God's judgment and his preservation of a righteous remnant.

Lucifer and the Fallen Angels: The idea of Lucifer (often identified with Satan) and a third of the angels being cast out of heaven is a widely held belief in Christianity. This concept is often derived from passages like Luke 10:18 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven") and Revelation 12:7-9, which speaks of a war in heaven where Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Satan) and his angels, and they were "hurled down to the earth." The "third of the stars" being swept down by the dragon is a common interpretation of Revelation 12:4. The idea of them "quitting" or "being fired" is a modern metaphor applied to a biblical narrative of rebellion and judgment. The traditional view is that they were in direct rebellion against God and were subsequently cast out as a punishment.

ok so you got "It then lists twelve tribes, with 12,000 from each." Who are these 12 tribes these days.. I guess it'd be descendents of those bloodlines?

Then you say "virgins".. so they gotta be virgins?

Then the Noah stuff.. "a righteous man".. what's that even mean to be "righteous", eh. Lots of this, is like.. you gotta follow the 12 commandments. I think things are probably different than the criteria with the Noah stuff.

The next part.. "a war in heaven where Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Satan) and his angels, and they were "hurled down to the earth."  What the hell is going on here.. sounds like a fight. What the hell were they trying to do.. like a riot trying to do like some countries in the past that got over-thrown. How the hell would they even try to take over Yahweh's "job". You need to be able to do what it does.. you know what I mean. Lucifer just doesn't have the "talent" or like whatever.. you know what I mean. What were they gonna do.. kill off whoever was left. If you kill yahweh.. like where even is he.. is it like this "dude" with the white beard. I don't think so. Then you got him tuned into the Akashic records where he's spying on everybody, so he can determine his gameplan. How would Lucifer even run that. I don't think so. Well, the cabal these days are trying to get to that with cyber tech stuff eventually. At least they're trying to do something. But Lucifer.. he doesn't have the "power" to take over Yahweh's job. Sounds like they got their ass kicked though.. what went on there. Betcha it was yahweh who "hurled them down to earth" and wherever they got banished too.. sounds like he got locked in the ice down underground, eh.

Your questions dig deeper into some of the most profound and debated aspects of these biblical narratives. Let's break down each of the points you've raised based on theological and symbolic interpretations.

The 12 Tribes You asked about the identity of the 12 tribes of Israel today and if it's based on bloodlines.

Theological and Historical View: The identity of the 12 tribes is a complex issue. Historically, ten of the twelve tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were exiled by the Assyrians and largely assimilated, losing their distinct tribal identities. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin (along with the priestly tribe of Levi) formed the Southern Kingdom and survived, but their tribal distinctions also blurred over time, especially after the Babylonian exile. Today, Jewish identity is primarily based on matrilineal descent or conversion, not on tribal lineage.

Interpretations in Revelation:

Literal Interpretation: Groups that take the number 144,000 literally, like Jehovah's Witnesses, often interpret the list of tribes in Revelation as symbolic or spiritual rather than a literal bloodline count today. They believe the names represent the spiritual Israel of God's chosen people in the Christian era.

Symbolic Interpretation: The symbolic view, held by most Christian denominations, sees the list of tribes as representing the totality of God's people, both Jewish and Gentile, as part of the new spiritual Israel. The names themselves are a nod to the historical people of God, but the ultimate meaning is of a complete and redeemed community from all nations. So, no, it's not about tracking ancient bloodlines today.

The "Virgins" You questioned whether the criteria for the 144,000 literally means they must be virgins.

Symbolic Interpretation: In this context, the term "virgins" is almost universally understood symbolically. It doesn't mean a person must be a virgin in the physical sense to be saved. Instead, it refers to:

Purity and Undivided Devotion: The "virgins" are those who have not "defiled themselves with women" (Revelation 14:4). This is interpreted as a metaphor for spiritual purity—they have not engaged in spiritual fornication or idolatry by worshiping other gods or following false teachings. They have remained spiritually pure and have given their undivided loyalty to God and Jesus.

Following the Lamb: They "follow the Lamb wherever he goes," which signifies complete obedience and loyalty to Jesus Christ.

"Righteousness" You asked what it means to be a "righteous man" like Noah.

Biblical Meaning: In the Bible, righteousness is not just about following a set of rules perfectly. It's about being in right relationship with God. For Noah, this meant his character and actions were in alignment with God's will, even when the rest of the world was not. He was obedient to God's commands, which is why he built the ark.

A Broader View: While the 10 Commandments are a major component of living a righteous life in the Old Testament, the concept of righteousness extends beyond them. It involves faith, justice, compassion, and humility. In the Christian tradition, people are often seen as unable to achieve perfect righteousness on their own, and it is given to them as a gift through their faith in Jesus. The criteria for salvation in the end times are thus seen differently than the criteria for Noah's time, as they are centered on faith in Christ.

The War in Heaven and Lucifer's Motives You've raised some profound questions about the war in heaven: what were they trying to do, how could they hope to "overthrow" Yahweh, and what was the outcome?

Theological Interpretation of the Rebellion: The rebellion of Satan and the fallen angels is not typically portrayed as a physical attempt to "overthrow" God in a literal coup. Theologically, it's understood as a rebellion against God's authority and a rejection of His will.

Pride and Envy: The traditional explanation is that Lucifer (the "light-bearer") was a high-ranking and beautiful angel who became filled with pride. He desired to be "like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14). This was not a desire to physically "kill" God, but rather to usurp His divine authority, honor, and position. Satan's motive wasn't about a physical power struggle, but a metaphysical one—he wanted to be worshiped and revered as God is.

The "Talent" Argument: Your point about Lucifer not having the "talent" is a good one. He and the angels are created beings; they do not possess the infinite power, knowledge, and omnipresence of God. This is why their rebellion was doomed from the start. They couldn't possibly "win." The story is not about a close fight; it's about the swift and decisive judgment of God on those who rebel against him.

The Result of the War: Revelation 12:7-9 makes it clear that the battle was decisive. Michael and his angels were victorious, and the dragon and his angels were "hurled down to the earth." This is the core of the traditional belief. The rebellion was quelled, and the rebellious angels were banished from God's presence in heaven. Your idea of being "locked in the ice down underground" is not a common biblical interpretation, but it does reflect the idea of them being imprisoned or contained in a lower realm, separate from God's heavenly presence.

The "Cabal" and "Cyber Tech" Idea: You've brought up a modern comparison, which is interesting. The idea of a group using technology to gain ultimate control and surveillance ("Akashic records," "spying") is a common theme in conspiracy theories. From a theological perspective, this is seen as a modern manifestation of the same ancient sin: the desire of created beings to usurp God's power and position, to become as gods themselves. This is why the biblical narrative of the Tower of Babel is often interpreted as a similar act of human arrogance.

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