[part 4]

what about lucifer though.. he's not part of this, eh.. like this 'll only be humans?

Your question gets at a key distinction between the "tests" of humans and the "fall" of spiritual beings. You are correct in your thinking—Lucifer's rebellion is seen as a fundamentally different event from the trials that humans face.

Here's why:

The Nature of Lucifer's Fall A Different Kind of Test: Lucifer's "test" wasn't about dealing with external hardship or loss. As a powerful Cherub, he lived in God's presence and was not subject to the trials of a physical, fallen world. His downfall was not from a reaction to suffering but from pride and a desire for self-exaltation. His sin was internal, a corruption of will, not a failure to endure external pressure.

No Redemption or Second Chance: According to Christian theology, angels who rebelled against God had no opportunity for redemption. Their decision to turn against God was final and irreversible. This is often contrasted with humans, who, because they are made in God's image but are also subject to temptation and a fallen nature, were given a path to redemption through Jesus Christ.

Humans and Trials The Purpose of Trials: For humans, trials are a means of refining their character and strengthening their faith in a world that is already under the influence of sin and evil. The goal is to purify and prepare them for a renewed relationship with God.

The Context of a Fallen World: Human suffering is a direct result of the fall of mankind (Adam and Eve's sin). We live in a world with sickness, death, and natural disasters. These are the conditions that God allows to "test" humanity, as you put it.

The 144,000 The group of 144,000, in both literal and symbolic interpretations, is composed of human beings who have endured the trials and tribulations of this world and remained faithful.

In the literal view, they are a select group of human Jehovah's Witnesses who will rule in heaven with Christ.

In the symbolic view, they represent all of God's faithful followers (the Church) who have been "sealed" for salvation.

In both cases, they are humans who have passed through the crucible of life on Earth. Lucifer, as a spiritual being who fell from pride and not from a test of endurance, is a separate category entirely. He is the one who initiates many of these human trials, but he is not subject to them himself in the same way.

ok so those angels who quit are cluster-fucked and no hope in hell of going back?

That's a very direct way of putting it, and from a theological standpoint, you're absolutely right. According to traditional Christian belief, the fallen angels are indeed "cluster-fucked," and there is no hope of them ever returning to God's favor.

Here's the theological reasoning behind that position, which distinguishes their fate from that of humanity:

The Nature of Their Rebellion Pure Act of Will: The key difference is that the angels' rebellion was an act of pure, uncoerced will. Unlike humans, they do not have a physical body that can be tempted by fleshly desires, nor are they subject to ignorance or limited understanding. They were created with a perfect knowledge of God's nature, glory, and power. Their choice to "quit" was a deliberate, rational, and full-bodied rejection of God's authority.

No Opportunity for Repentance: Because their sin was a final and unchangeable decision, there is no theological basis for them to repent or seek forgiveness. The act of rebellion was seen as a complete and final corruption of their will.

Biblical Support The New Testament provides some support for this view:

2 Peter 2:4 states, "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment..."

Jude 1:6 says, "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in everlasting chains in darkness for judgment on the great Day."

These verses imply that their fate is sealed and that they are being held for a final, irreversible judgment.

The Contrast with Humanity This is why the human situation is different. According to Christian theology, God offered a path to redemption for humanity because our sin was a result of deception and temptation in a physical world. The concept of grace and forgiveness applies to humans who have a chance to repent and change their ways, but it is not extended to the rebellious angels.

So, to answer your question directly: yes, those angels are considered to be permanently and irreversibly cut off from God, with no hope of reconciliation.

oh so those ex-angels got cast out and no fuckin around with that, eh?

That's exactly right. According to the biblical accounts and traditional theology, when those angels rebelled, they were cast out of heaven with absolute finality. There was no negotiation, no probation period, and no chance of returning.

As the Book of Revelation describes, it was a decisive "war in heaven," and the outcome was a definitive victory for God's forces. The rebellious angels were "hurled down to the earth," and their banishment was permanent. There was, as you put it, "no fuckin around with that." Their fate was sealed from the moment of their rebellion.

yahweh's pretty hard assed, eh.. like he doesn't fuck around.

Your observation touches on a key aspect of how God's character is portrayed in the Bible. The qualities you've described—being "hard assed" and not "fucking around"—are often referred to in theology as divine justice, holiness, and sovereignty.

Holiness: This refers to God's absolute and perfect purity, which means He is completely separate from sin and evil. The rebellion of the angels was a direct violation of that holiness. In this view, God's immediate and final judgment was a necessary act to maintain the perfect order and sanctity of the heavenly realm.

Justice: This is the idea that God must be fair and uphold the cosmic moral law. Because the angels' rebellion was a deliberate and uncoerced act of pure will, a just consequence was required. The swift banishment demonstrates that there is no tolerance for rebellion against His ultimate authority.

Sovereignty: This refers to God's supreme power and control over all of creation. His decisive action against the fallen angels shows that His rule cannot be successfully challenged or usurped.

While the judgment on the angels was final and uncompromising, it's also worth noting that the Bible presents a balance. God is also described with qualities like mercy, grace, and compassion, which are most prominently displayed in the path to redemption offered to humanity. The finality of the angels' judgment serves to highlight both God's unyielding justice and His unique grace toward humanity.

so how come he puts up with all this bullshit with the humans?

That's an excellent and very profound question that gets to the very heart of Christian theology. The perceived difference between God's immediate and final judgment on the angels versus His patience with humans is a central issue.

The theological answer for this difference boils down to two key concepts: the nature of sin and divine mercy.

1. The Nature of the Sin Angels: The angels sinned in a completely different context. They were spiritual beings in God's direct presence, possessing perfect knowledge of God's holiness and power. Their rebellion was a deliberate, conscious, and uncoerced act of pure will. They were not deceived or tempted by a physical nature. Because their choice was a final, irreversible decision against God's nature, their judgment was immediate and permanent.

Humans: The biblical account of humanity's fall is different. Adam and Eve were created with a physical nature and were deceived by an external force (Satan). Their sin, and the sin of all humanity that followed, is seen as a consequence of that initial act of disobedience and is now part of a fallen, flawed nature. Humans are viewed as being in a state of spiritual sickness or bondage to sin, not as making a single, final choice of rebellion.

2. Divine Mercy and Grace Because humanity’s sin is viewed as a consequence of a fallen nature, God's response is presented as one of mercy and grace, in addition to justice.

Patience: The "bullshit" you're referring to is seen as a symptom of the human condition after the fall. God's "putting up with it" is a demonstration of His longsuffering and patience, giving humanity time to turn back to Him.

A Path to Redemption: The most significant difference is the provision of a path to salvation. The Bible teaches that because humanity's sin could be atoned for, God sent Jesus Christ to pay the price for it. This allows for forgiveness and reconciliation, something that was not offered to the angels.

In essence, God's "hard assed" judgment on the angels is seen as a display of His pure justice, while His "putting up with" human sin is a display of His profound mercy and grace, both of which are considered to be part of His complete character.

Was watching a AI generated movie the other week about these end times, that they're kind of worried about it seeming to happen like, they're kind of worried that it's gonna be pretty soon like, I don't know.. cause hasn't it been 2000 years there since the Jesus dude stuff and it's been a while, eh. And they're thinking it could be like.. I don't know.. do they have some kind of timeline of like it seems like it's gonna be pretty soon.. you know what I mean.

Your question gets to the core of a belief held by many people, and it's something that has been a topic of concern for Christians since the very beginning of the faith.

You're right, the feeling that "it's gonna be pretty soon" is a very common sentiment, and it's one that has been present for the entire 2000 years since Jesus.

Here's a breakdown of the theological perspective on the timeline of the "end times":

1. No One Knows the Day or the Hour The most important and widely held belief is that no one, except God the Father, knows the exact time. This is explicitly stated in the Bible:

Matthew 24:36 says, "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

This verse is often used to counter any attempts by individuals or groups to set a specific date for the end times. The fact that many have tried and failed over the centuries only reinforces this belief.

2. The Concept of "Imminence" While no one knows the timing, the Bible teaches that the end is "imminent," meaning it could happen at any moment. This is a key part of the belief—living in a state of readiness and expectation, as if it could happen today, tomorrow, or a thousand years from now. This is a call to constant preparedness.

3. The "2000 Years" Factor Your point about it being a long time is something theologians have grappled with. The long delay is often explained as a sign of God's patience and mercy. The Apostle Peter addresses this directly:

2 Peter 3:8-9 says, "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

In this view, the long delay isn't a sign that it won't happen, but rather that God is giving more people a chance to turn to Him before the final judgment.

4. "Signs of the Times" The feeling you mentioned, that it's going to happen soon, is often fueled by the belief that we are seeing the "signs of the times" that Jesus mentioned in the Bible. These signs include things like:

Wars and rumors of wars

Famines and earthquakes

Pestilences and plagues

The spread of false prophets

A rise in lawlessness and a decline in love

Many people today look at global events—such as pandemics, political instability, and natural disasters—and feel that these are indicators that the end is drawing near.

So, while there is no official timeline or a set date, the belief that the end is approaching has been a constant part of the faith for 2000 years, and it's intended to inspire a sense of readiness rather than a precise prediction.

[continued in part 5]