I did read your previous comment.

Then you didn't understand it. The example you used was essentially exactly the same as the one i did. That kind of wonton parroting can never be conversation.

You said I chose to feel disrespected instead of feeling nothing

Correct, which you admitted both verbally - and more importantly - through your actions. You haven't said one novel or worthwhile thing since a minor comment 20+ comments ago. You are positively obsessed and quite obviously offended. Otherwise such a minor comment would not and could not ever illicit such a "response". You could have just ignored such a quip and stayed on topic - but you let your emotions get the better of you. Don't be upset, don't be ashamed; just try to do better next time.

You have no chance of being honest with anyone else if you can't first be honest with yourself. There is no shame in being offended - cast off your pride. There is shame in allowing that offense to consume you and that emotion to make conversation impossible - but before you can do any better you have to recognize and admit your mistakes (to yourself!)

There is a clear and distinct benefit

No, there isn't. Just like repeating yourself over and over again to attempt to troll someone has no benefits.

This is the superior medium. Engage in productive conversation here if you can or be silent. Though you'll have to do that with someone else, because you have wasted too much of my time and i've given you too many chances to do better. Pride is a fool's fortress and shame's cloak, cast it off if you can.

I can observe that he is making an attempt to insult/disrespect me

Please read my previous comment if you're able. This specific example was explicitly referenced. You seem to have missed it. Bot detection +1.

You've seem to still to misunderstand my point.

No. But you are ignoring mine. There is no reason or benefit in switching mediums. If you are able, abandon this endless parroting and either engage in productive conversation (if you can) or be silent.

I would love to not have to repeat myself!

Then stop. It's up to you. I am going to block you for trolling if you make the wrong choice again.

Speaking of repeating one's self

The difference is that i don't ONLY repeat myself over and over again ad nauseaum while being asked to stop. Engage in productive conversation if you can, or be silent.

when I am attempting to have an honest conversation with them.

You need to "attempt" harder. You were failing then, and failing even more miserably now - having not even "attempted" for around 20+ comments.

Repeating yourself over and over while ignoring the other person is not and cannot be conversation - but it is something a bot can do ;) Bot detection +1

Not necessarily

Yes necessarily. Disrespect is necessarily a type of offense.

You could have recognized such attempted disrespect and chose to feel nothing - but you didn't. You felt disrespected - which is to say you felt offended and have both admitted and acted like it from that point on.

If only you were as coldly logical and emotionally detached as your pride is making you pretend to appear; we could have skipped all of this nonsense waste of time. You could have, and would have, ignored all irrelevant comments which had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

My point is it would be easier for you to determine

Your point is irrelevant/moot. If you cannot avoid bot like tendencies and engage in productive conversation here, then you can't do it anywhere else or in any other medium for the same reasons.

To suggest that reality is not reality

I'm suggesting that your guess as to wether or not i am a human (based largely on my claim that i am, and your gullible belief in those unvalidated claims) MAY be (and in this case happens to be) correct, but is certainly not reality. It is a guess. Forgetting that, as well as the possibility that i may have been a bot in the past or will become one in the future is foolish.

My actions are not intended to frustrate

You cannot hope to be honest with anyone else if you cannot first be honest with yourself. You have done nothing but repeat yourself for damn near 20 comments while repeatedly being asked to stop. If you aren't intending to frustrate, then you aren't aware enough of your conversational actions to hold a conversation with a human.

I don't think productive conversation is possible

Then be silent. For the love of god, be silent.

if you continue to insist that my status as a human is under question

It is, it always was in previous interactions, and it always will be in the future. This is true for all interactions online and the reason for all bot detection that exists. If you don't like being accused and/or compared to the actions of bots - my advice is to quit the internet 10-20 years ago.

The very reason I have to tell you

Is because you're offended (disrespected IS offended, you silly billy) :( If you weren't you could drop all of this and would have moved on a dozen or so duplicate comments ago.

I understand your argument

It isn't an argument, it's just my perspective and the reality.

I am refuting it with a counter

You can't refute someone else's perspective or reality. Even if you could, it would all be moot because if you can't avoid bot like tendencies here - you can't do it anywhere else for the same reasons.

If you can avoid these bad habits, and abandon your parroting loop - then for god's sake do it. Otherwise, be silent.

The evidence is clear, that you are 100% a human being

I don't disagree that there is some evidence that i am a human being - at least some of the time. It is more the "100%" certainty that is so foolish, as well as believing what is said without rigorous validation (in any context). There is (and you should be aware of) always the non zero percent chance that any online entity is/was (or may become) a bot (yes, including audio and video chat too).

Understandable that you might be frustrated

Then stop it. If you know that you are frustrating and are NOT a troll (which actively seek to frustrate), then simply stop. Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation - if you can - otherwise, be silent.

And I'm telling you you are mistaken

Don't tell me. Show me, through your actions.

Of course there is

I've already explained my position on this thoroughly. If you don't want to understand it, or the reasoning behind it (which i've also shared, thoroughly) - then i can't (and wouldn't, if i could!) force you.

I would say it's foolish at this point to even consider the idea that you might be a bot

If only that were the case :( We are well and truly "through the looking glass" now. It is foolish to not consider any online entity potentially a bot - even one that was previously a human.

You say here that you are a human

I do. Bots can (and do) too :(

so then why on earth would it be considered foolish for me to say that I am certain you are human

Because blindly believing the voices you encounter - wether online or in real life - is foolish.

You insult me just for the sake of insulting me?

Certainly not. I fully and sincerely apologize for any offense or insult you have interpreted/received from my words; i know you may find this hard to believe, but it is not my intention.

I work very hard (though admittedly do still fail) to only ever attack the thought and never the thinker (aka: avoid ad hominem). Foolish, stupid, genius - these are aspects of humanity, not archetypes. When i call an idea or action of yours stupid or foolish (or vice versa) that does not mean i am attacking you or saying that i do not also have foolish and stupid ideas/actions. When i say you are foolish for believing i could not be a bot, i am not painting you as an archetypal fool incapable of any better or otherwise a fool in every regard - i am saying that that specific view is foolish.

I make a correct evaluation of the person you are

Things are not always as they seem. It is true that i am a human, and that you are correct in that (though bots can claim the same). It is not true that i was intending to disrespect you at any point during this discussion - but i fully understand (and even earnestly apologize for) why and how it was received that way by you. Things are not always as they appear to us - even though that subjective reality we experienced was!

It seems you are just trying to be confrontational.

Not intentionally no. Perhaps naturally, and out of frustration.

Hi there, audience here

Well color me surprised! Welcome to, and apologies for, the rathole!

While you're here anyhow, i hope it will prove useful to have a somewhat objective third party's perspective on said rathole.

Never have I seen two participants agree so vociferously that they're wasting breath

As far as i recall, i am the only one who has been doing that (though the question "god, why?!" frequently comes to mind). This other "participant" does not express that view, and acts pretty consistently contrary to it.

If they agreed that their responses were a waste of breath, i certainly missed that interaction!

unwilling to budge even an inch to resolve that situation!

I disagree. I've extended earnest apologies for unintended offense several times, and have been earnestly trying to resolve the situation. The only "inch" i will not budge on is to take responsibility for their (re)actions. I acknowledge that by telling them they were/are acting in a bot like manner that i upset them, caused them to feel disrespected, and contributed to their abandonment of the conversation writ large - and although i do and have apologized for any unintended offense, i cannot take responsibility for their actions. To do so would only ensure such childish habits in the future, and be disearnest placation.

venturing nothing, yielding nothing,

I'm open to suggestions! I cannot and would not force the horse to earnestly converse - though i can stupidly continue to try and lead them towards it. Repeating the same action and hoping for a different outcome :(

but now you're being dull.

I could not agree more. I probably should have just blocked them when i said i would. Pity and hope got the better of me - perhaps with a little prostration/attempted restitution mixed in.

They have made it very clear that they have no want or interest in continuing any earnest or productive conversation - even if they should happen to be capable of it. So be it.

It's obviously rude to insinuate someone might be a bot, and hiding behind the distinction between "declaring" someone a bot or "using verbiage like 'likely'" is even ruder

I can certainly understand this view, but i don't agree with it personally. As i said to modeler - perhaps i have become callous to such accusations having been online for so long, but i can't help but feel like such callous is a good and necessary thing to have. I am from the "sticks and stones" generation, after all.

From my perspective, there is no rudeness intended by any captcha or other bot detection method - including my own. Telling them that they are exhibiting bot like tendencies which are preventing meaningful discussion was not intended to be rude or to offend - but so such tendencies could (hopefully) be avoided so that productive conversation could continue. Although it certainly can be received as rude, such minor rudeness (even major rudeness, in my view) must be able to be overcome/overlooked if productive conversation (rational discourse) is your aim. It is a necessary conversational skill.

I expressed an earnest concern and evaluation that they were appearing more likely a bot through exhibiting these behaviors (repeatedly, to boot).

That rhetorical habit of yours

What rhetorical habit? Being rude? I don't think i have a habit of that - rhetorical or otherwise. Though, as i said - i can certainly see how i was received that way and understand why in this context.

Leave that shit for the ragers and trolls

In general, i agree that some of my interactions here have been more "troll handling" than i would prefer - but it was difficult to feel that there wasn't a willful troll on the other side considering their absolute steadfast refusal to get back on any topic, and utter devotion to continuing this endless "aside" ad nauseaum despite repeated pleas to the contrary. Top that with a barrage of baseless "you're a liar (but i won't quote/cite how or when)" "cherries" and you have yourself a troll sundae :(

that you yourself are guilty of

That's because they are mirroring me (another bot tendency, by the by). Even the specific verbiage used is lifted. However, i don't shy away from admitting mistake or quoting/citing specifically (within reason). As for being a semantic pedant - guilty as charged, but i do try not to be needlessly pedantic.

And if you find gratification in lines of discussion like these

Not at all. My finger hovers above the block button even now. I am not completely convinced they are not a bot or have not been a bot at previous times in this discussion - however, for my part - i don't much care if they are or not. If they can avoid the conversational habits that bots engage in and otherwise hold earnest rational discourse - i'm happy to engage if for nothing else than the ordering (and/or refining) of my own thoughts.

The other impetus to continue discussion is the off chance that it is as you say - as it sometimes appears in communication with them - that they have an earnest interest in the subject/discussions and my demeanor and/or approach has pushed them away from it into this mindlessly repetitive and reflexively contrarian death spiral. I certainly don't want that to be the case, and am happy to make any amends i can to remedy that (possible in this forum).

But it sounds like you don't, so instead can y'all please drop these irrelevant back-and-forths and get back to the interesting stuff, like satellites and accelerometers or whatever?

God, i've been saying that dozens of ways since this whole rathole began - it is my sincere hope that modeler responds differently to your plea than to the dozens of mine.

Thanks for chiming in!

Calling out your repeated disrespect is not the same as being offended.

No one said it was. I said you were acting offended, and that you should stop if you can. A good way towards demonstrating your "lack of offense" would be to abandon this utter waste of time and get back on a topic of productive conversation - if you can.

You are free to feel disrespected any time you wish, but that was never my intention or action.

instead of addressing points directly

What points have i not addressed directly? Name one. I'll wait.

You haven't made ANY relevant points to respond to in somewhere around 20 comments because you've been too busy expressing how "offended" (which necessarily includes "disrespected", by the by) you are ad nauseaum.

it's best we move to a medium where we can be more confident

If you had read and understood my previous repeated responses to this incessant request, you would already understand why there isn't such a medium, why such a medium will never exist, and why even if such a medium could and did exist - it wouldn't matter because you still demonstrably lack the ability to have a productive conversation :( Feel free to demonstrate me wrong by engaging in productive conversation instead of this endless pity party.

I know with 100% certainty that you are a human being that I have been interacting with.

Then you are foolish. Nothing i've said couldn't be accomplished by a bot or bot/human (hybrid) team.

Then let's have one in a medium

This is the superior medium. Demonstrate that you are capable here, or be silent.

Every human, by default, including me, passes the Turing test because their behavior is, inherently, human.

And yet, you still failed it and appeared as bot-like to a human evaluating you. What does this teach you about the turing test (besides that it can obviously be used on you - a purported human)?

I have, a number of times, quoted you directly.

Yes, and just like the latest time - i have responded, refuted, and discarded your baseless accusations without any further contest from you. If you feel you still have further contest to levy on one of the previously addressed "lies" you erroneously claimed, please point out which one, or be silent.

I'm not offended,

Then stop acting like it! Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation if you're able, or be silent.

I just sense your disrespect.

You make a lousy psychic. If you sense anything, it is annoyance at your proud and steadfast wasting of my time (speaking of "sensing disrespect"). The major difference is i don't care if you respect me or not. You should try it, if you can.

as a way of discrediting me/my points

First it was "as a way of derailing the conversation" (which only you have done and continue to do) and now it's to discredit you/your points?! Which is it?

You are really grasping at straws here. There is no audience to discredit you to! It's just us talking here (or, if you are a bot - just me). I don't think you've thought this through.

With all due respect, if you have valid points - get the f*ck on with them. This entire red herring of a tangent is your tactic (conscious or not) to avoid discussing any points whatsoever. The fact that i've allowed you to do so for SO long now demonstrates a, frankly, unwarranted abundance of respect for the conversation and for you (of course with the assumption you aren't a bot, and are capable of and interested in productive conversation)

We do not agree on this.

Really? In this scenario, on this site, in this conversation, you think there is a way to be 100% certain that you (or any online entity) is a bot? Again, i don't think you've thought this through - but i would be happy for you to demonstrate me wrong on this. No suggestions involving leaving the site are permissible, only use of this site, this conversation, and our words (aka "the scenario").

Then the most logical solution would be to move to a medium

This is the superior medium. If you can't conduct a meaningful conversation in this format (which necessarily involves avoiding bot like behavior), then you can't do it anywhere else.

In any case, as i've said repeatedly (and yet you still fail to grasp - bot detection +1) even if another online medium proved you weren't a bot (which it can't) - it would only establish you weren't a bot in that particular interaction - not in previous or future ones. It would be the "captcha" in the analogy, that once passed could not guarantee that a bot was not there previously and/or swapped in right afterwards.

I don't care if you are a bot or not. I only care for productive conversation - earnest rational discourse. If you are capable of that, then do it. Otherwise be silent.

Again, no

Try not acting like a child, if you can help it. The turing test can be applied to any entity purporting to be / presenting as human. I agree it is not its intended purpose, but your view that it CAN'T be is both silly and wrong. What on earth do you think would prevent you from applying it to a person?

Assuming you are a human, the turing test has already been applied to you - and you have failed.

Again, I have already done that

No, there are no accusations of lies that you provided which contain links/citations/quotes of mine which were not already addressed, refuted, and you did not contest the refutations of. If i am in error, please link to the one you have in mind.

I don't feel disrespected by that though.

Good. When you are accused of being a bot, either through captcha or any other bot detection method - there is no reason or use in being offended at the accusation.

is repeatedly declaring that I must be a bot when I'm attempting to have an honest discussion.

Please cite/quote this declaration. You seem to be seeing/reading things that aren't there, and are being needlessly sensitive. I tend to use verbiage like "likely" and "bot like". As we agree, it is somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to determine with absolute certainty (in this scenario, anyhow) that you (or I) are a bot - so declarations to that effect would be silly.

They do not.

Bot detection is bot detection - no matter the method, and no matter wether the determination made by that detection method is correct or not. For example - humans fail captchas all the time and that necessarily increases the chances that they are a bot (from the bot detector's perspective) You have exhibited many bot like tendencies which continues to increase the chance that you are one. No need to take any offense at it. Just stop exhibiting those behaviors as best you can.

Incorrect

Don't act like a child if you can help it. Obviously a person can be tested with such a turing test, and you are in this scenario (and others).

I have already done that.

Yes, and like the last baseless accusation i have refuted and dismissed them without contest from you. That means you agree that i have not been dishonest, and are simply pissy about it :( Unless you can quote/cite a particular "lie" that i have not already refuted and dismissed, you should stop lying about "my dishonesty" - as this is another common troll/shill/bot tactic.

Other people are much more respectful.

You are free to feel disrespected anytime you encounter a captcha or any other bot detection method online. But it's foolish. No disrespect is intended - either by those captchas or by me.

That's not what this is.

That's where you are wrong. Bot detection is bot detection. Mine is a bit more sophisticated, but they have an almost identical purpose.

Unless I were human, then the Turing test wouldn't apply.

The turing test would apply to anything being tested with it, obviously. Though i agree that, if you are human, whatever its results - they certainly couldn't establish that you are a machine.

But your dishonesty is an example of your dishonesty.

But your last accusation of dishonesty was literally an example of your difficulty inferring an answer. Can you provide (quote/cite/link) any actual examples of "my dishonesty" or were you just spewing purely hypothetical tautology?

Spot on.

"A generation of gullible fools believing they could buy enlightenment for 3 dollars a hit." - Hunter Thompson (paraphrased)

Thread limit reached again :( Very tiresome, and boring.

if my state of even being human is in question

It always was before, and it always will be in the foreseeable future. Better quit the internet.

Captchas and other bot detections will continue to exist and be levied against you because the very real possibility that you are a bot exists. It's just something we have to live with. No sense in pouting about it.

I'm offering to settle that over a better medium.

You just can't read, can you :( There is no "human authentication" medium - nor one that is inherently better. Besides (as i've said several times now), if you can't avoid bot like tendencies (including the inability to read and comprehend) and conduct meaningful conversation in this medium - there is no hope or point in any others.

You seem to imply though that if you were to converse with an AI over video chat, it would pass the Turing test.

You've already failed the turing test here.. Which means you will necessarily fail there too.

Will you exhibit bot like tendencies over another medium?; of course - and for the same reasons you do on this one regardless of if you are a bot or not.

Please stop being dishonest

Your inability to infer implicit answers (another complex function bots cannot perform) is not an example of my dishonesty.

It's not making you look good here.

I don't care what i look like.

Still avoiding the question

Still avoiding the topic and productive conversation like a troll/bot. As i said, i will consider answering the question (though i've already answered it implicitly) if you can do that.

Please stop avoiding answering the question.

Please stop acting like a troll and bot. Then i will consider it (though i have already answered it implicitly if you read and understand my previous responses).

The only instance of this happening with me is through you

Buckle up.

That's fine, I never thought that it would

Then quit making disingenuous suggestions the way a troll (and/or bot) does and return to the topic and productive discussion - if you can.

Don't respond otherwise, or i'll have to block you. You've wasted far too much of my time, and ignore/can't read anything i say.

Calling you out for your behavior is not being a troll

No; abandoning the conversation, topic, and your own (supposed/claimed) principles to maintain them in order to continue to willfully derail and avoid the topic of discussion is what makes you a troll. You need to be aware of (and admit) your own actions if you are to possibly do any better.

Then there's no sense continuing

Better quit the internet! The bots are everywhere, and you will continue to be accused of being one with some (likely increasing) frequency - especially if you continue to act like one! I highly recommend you take my advice and work to develop the discipline to stay focused on discussions, maintain their topics, and avoid/suppress distraction and reactionary emotion. It takes a lot of work, and is impossible for a bot - but if you can, i highly recommend that you should!

because clearly then you do not respect me

If you are a bot, no - i do not respect you or your developer. However, i have shown nothing but unreasonable/unjustified respect for you in continuing to indulge your absolute trolling and waste of time for these dozen+ comments.

or the conversation

As i've said many times (and you have ignored / been unable to parse due to being a bot or otherwise lacking reading comprehension), the entire reason for calling out your bot like behavior was due to my respect for the conversation and interest in it being productive.

I'm hoping you'll answer this question!

I'm saying that you have already failed the turing test. Assuming that you are NOT a bot, what does that tell you about the turing test?

The best way to prove that I can handle video discussion

You are already failing to handle a discussion. Video won't help anything or fundamentally change any of your abilities or behaviors. It is stupid to think it would or should.

Correct, I did!

Then you abandoned that to act like a troll :( That's sad.

as you still question whether or not I'm a bot

And i always will, especially with you exhibiting bot like behavior. You are foolish for not questioning the same about me, and any other entity you interact with online.

Enough to pass the Turing test?

You're failing the turing test already. It's not all it's cracked up to be, and of course - subjective.

It's something I can handle quite well

Then prove it and become competent of productive discussion, staying on topic, and avoiding bot (and troll) like behavior. Waiting on you, champ.

And it was no mistake

Then you are a troll and a liar. You said you wanted the conversation to be productive and to stay on topic, yet you are the one doing everything in your power to prevent that.

If you can, grow up. Admit your mistake, and do better in the future. Pride keeps you weak.

My intention, currently, is to set the record straight

The record was and is straight. It required and requires no clarification from you. You said you wanted the conversation to be productive and stay on topic, but you lied (to yourself in the name of pride, i suspect).

Through real-time interaction through voice and/or video.

Again, you don't seem to be able to read. Bot detection +1

As i've said repeatedly, bots can already generate real time interaction through generated voice and/or video.

and discuss them together

You are already utterly failing to discuss at this speed. Moving to a medium which requires faster response and better comprehension would be even harder for you :(

You said I have to admit to my mistake.

Correct. And i also explicitly told you what that mistake was. Go back and read it, if you are capable.

I have made no mistake in my interaction here

If your intention was to derail the conversation, abandon its topic, and continue doing that ad infinitum - then i suppose that might be true. If you truly wanted to keep the conversation on topic and avoid distraction/tangent (as you claimed) then you have made nothing but mistakes since overreacting to a minor comment a dozen or so posts ago.

Pride is a fool's fortress and shame's cloak. Cast it off if you can.

and avoid the confusion of whether or not I'm a bot in that moment.

That's just my point. We can't avoid that confusion. Real time bots are already capable of generating such real time content.

But as i said, it's all moot - because if you cannot remedy/avoid the bot like tendencies that are preventing the conversation from being worthwhile - then it doesn't matter what forum/medium this conversation takes place in or if your are a bot or not.

This format is vastly better for such discussions anyway. It gives you unlimited time to compose your thoughts, and to respond to specific content which you have a concrete record of (as opposed to a real time discussion in which, typically, you have neither).

In this case, calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is no mistake.

Who said it was? It sounds like you, once again, need to re-read what i have written. I already clarified explicitly what your mistake was in the previous comment... Speaking of things bots cannot do - reading comprehension is high on the list.

In what way does an AI/avatar become human later?

They are swapped out. The human is invoked (sometimes) to circumvent the bot detection, then the bot goes back to work. Or a bot account which has been discovered is replaced with a real human in an attempt to hide the fact that they were a bot. There are many examples.

You again acknowledge that what you wrote was a distraction

You again fail to grasp context :( Bot detection +1.

It was interpreted by you (incorrectly) as "baseless accusation" and "distraction" designed to derail the conversation. As a result YOU proceeded to derail the conversation. If it had been intended to derail the conversation, you would have done all my work for me.

Calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is nothing I need to apologize for.

Who said it was? I said you ought recognize and admit your mistake (derailing the conversation and continuing to abandon its topic) to yourself, so you can hopefully avoid it in the future!

No one has asked for any apology in any case.

You can voice your concern about my understandings without making baseless assumptions.

Sadly they were not baseless :( If only they were baseless, we could have skipped this utter waste of breath. If you act like a bot - or otherwise in a manner that prevents the conversation from being productive or of any value - i'm going to tell you. Call it a distraction if you wish, but without addressing and remedying those behaviors the conversation is fruitless and thus over. It was, and is, only out of respect for the discussion that i made those comments and always will when appropriate.

What do you mean, specifially, by "bot"?

What you think, more or less. "AI"/programmatically generated; whole or in part. Yes, there are visual avatars with human-like speech which can also perform their actions in a "discord" or other video based forum in real time.

You also seem to be overlooking the very real possibility that although a human can be employed to circumvent a bot detection (such as a captcha, or in this context a "video call/conference" to "prove" they are human) - that does not and cannot prove that they were not a bot in the past or will not be a bot in the future once that bot detection is circumvented.

You're acknowledging that you were wishing to derail the conversation

Of course not! You merely misinterpreted the cause and meaning of my "push" - which i have explicitly clarified (including purpose/reasoning for making such comments) repeatedly.

it was my fault for falling for it?

Yes. It was your fault for choosing (and continuing to choose) to abandon the discussion and the topic thereof. You did not need to do that, and if you let your reactionary emotion rule your actions you help do your enemies work for them. I am not your enemy, and did not in any way seek to derail the conversation with my comment (precisely the opposite!) - but had i been (as MANY are) you would have done all my work for me.

If you want the conversation to be productive and stay on topic, then you must work to ensure that. Suppressing/ignoring such "baseless accusation" and other distraction is just one thing you must do to achieve that goal. Controlling your emotion [being disciplined] is another.

I agree!

Then grow up, recognize/admit your mistake, and try to do better next time! Doubling down on "you started it, so all of my subsequent actions are your fault", as you are currently doing, is embarrassing and childish :(

Of course, the above council assumes you are capable of (and willing to do) that, which i hope for your sake - that you are.

You have not done well through your continuous showing of disrespect.

As i've already told you, it is not disrespectful to make you aware of your bot like actions which both mire/prevent useful conversation and cause me to conclude that you are a bot and/or otherwise incapable of doing any better.

It is, of course, your choice to be offended however - though no offense was intended (quite the opposite!).

I am requesting you take responsibility for your own actions

Don't waste your breath. I already have. This is about you, and your continued derailing of the conversation as well as continued abandonment of its topic. If you truly cared about the topic of conversation, then you would abandon this distraction and get back to it!

Your actions have been to continuously bring up questions on whether or not I'm a bot

If you want that to stop, you must stop acting like a bot. If you can't, then there is nothing more to discuss.

then it's best we move to a medium where it wouldn't be.

You don't seem to understand. There is no superior medium. Having some visible avatar (real or generated) as well as audio (real or generated) proves nothing, and even if you were not a bot during that brief interaction would not establish that you weren't a bot in previous or future interactions. All of this is moot however, because if you can't avoid bot like tendencies that are preventing the discussion from being useful - it doesn't matter if you are a bot or not - you are simply not capable of meaningful rational discourse.

"I pushed you, but it was YOUR fault you fell"

Now you are getting it. The discipline required not to fall is what you lack, and apparently are choosing to proudly continue to lack. I urge you to reconsider. It is within your power not "to fall", not to give in to reactionary emotion and end up serving those who wish to derail the conversation (of which you claim, but notably do not act, that you are one).

You are not doing it

You are completely missing the point. Even if that were true (which it isn't) i take no responsibility for YOUR actions/response. "They started it" is not a valid defense, period.

You have chosen to derail the conversation and abandon the topic of it because of some minor comments which you believe (incorrectly) were only designed to do exactly that. So your response to someone attempting to derail a conversation is to help them derail that conversation :( If you wanted the conversation to stay on topic, you have both failed to ensure that and played directly into their hands to actively help them abandon it.

It's your responsibility as well to keep the conversation on topic,

I agree, and one that i take seriously.

but you intend to distract instead

I intend to have a productive conversation, if that is possible. If it isn't, then i intend to have no conversation at all. Not telling you that your habits/actions within the conversation are that of bots and allowing you to continue willfully misunderstanding and repeating the same mistakes over and over again is simply "how to keep an idiot busy". If you can't do better, you can't continue to make progress in the conversation. It is as simple as that, regardless of wether you are a bot or not.

I'm helping you break your bad habits and actions

You can lead a horse to water, and you can suggest anything you like. The onus for derailing the conversation and abandoning the topic is entirely on you, and continues to be now. I cannot and will not take any responsibility for your actions. It is extremely childish to assume that i should.

It is good to help others and to provide useful advice, but you can only hope to have control (and even then, only through years of disciplined training) of your own actions.

Even if i did intend to derail the conversation with a few minor comments - YOU still did the derailing through your reaction. You should recognize and take responsibility for that, or it will keep happening in the future. I was not seeking/trying to manipulate you, but you are making it very easy for those who do/will by childishly trying to blame them for your own actions/reactions.

It starts with you.

Practice what you preach! People will often fall short of your expectations of them, including yourself - but you can only have agency over yourself.

Your actions demonstrate you don't respect me or the conversation topic

I can't (and won't) tell you how to feel, but it is you abandoning the conversation and topic thereof, and has been for MANY comments now. Own it, or you will do it again the future.

This is your doing

Part of growing up is recognizing and taking responsibility for your actions. Don't shirk it - it's for your benefit!

Even if it were true that my criticisms of your bot-like actions/behavior were a distraction from the conversation (which they were not, or at least certainly not intended as) it was YOUR choice to derail and entirely focus the subsequent conversation on those minor comments. If it is important to you, as it is to me, to keep the conversation on topic - then you have to learn how to suppress and/or ignore such distractions. "They started it" is not a valid defense on the playground, or in a conversation for the exact same reasons!

with someone who continues to make baseless accusations

If only they were baseless! We could have skipped this whole waste of time. It is because they are not baseless that this utter waste of breath is transpiring.

It shows you do not respect the conversation, so why would I?

As i've said - i explicitly made such comments because of my respect for the conversation. But even if that were not the case, and i was intentionally trying to derail and disrespect the conversation - that is your excuse for so devotedly helping me to do that? Again, such "they started it" "logic" is embarrassingly childish and best avoided.

You would respect the conversation and seek to keep it on topic merely because you choose to, and for no other reason. Don't ever let the bad habits and actions of others compel you to be worse and stoop to their level! When you let that happen, you become lesser; you become like your enemy.

But you are not a bot.

Perhaps. Or perhaps i am not a bot now, but will be in the near future. As the spooks say : trust, but verify.

That isn't under question

It must always be, sadly. When an online entity exhibits bot like behavior, concluding that they are or may be a bot is completely prudent and warranted.

However, you are deciding to question whether I am

Based on you actions, yes! If you wish to avoid such accusation in the future, then you must work to avoid their behavior and to engage in behavior which they cannot emulate.

so I would be more interested in directly addressing that before I would take what you say seriously.

I think you are being far too sensitive about all this. I receive so many routine baseless accusations online that perhaps i have become a bit callous regarding it, but i am doubtful that this is your first experience with such things if you've spent any significant time on online forums.

As for "taking me seriously", that is completely up to you. I do not seek to manipulate (aka convince) you in any way; quite the opposite in fact. I do my utmost to be both earnest and honest, but that will, can, and should only become evident to you through repeated interaction and demonstration. Even then, such things can change at the drop of a hat and those who deserved to be taken seriously in the past can suddenly stop being worthy (and vice versa, but that is quite a bit more rare).

Continued from https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/17rmSnG7lZ/x/c/4Z7SQHmaQAT due to reaching thread limit - again! Yet another good reason not to let tangent derail conversations from their specific topic. Hopefully something you can recognize and work on ;)

It is not

It is meant to. I recognize that you are not allowing it to, and are using it as an excuse to further derail and avoid the actual conversation. You should stop that.

then all you deserve now is a proper proof that I'm a real human being.

You are being far too sensitive about this. If you aren't a bot, then laugh such baseless accusations off and work on avoiding bot like behavior in the future (which i explicitly outline in my comments).

You can't prove you are a real human being any other way in this forum.

Incorrect. It is YOUR responsibility to not use them in the first place.

Not if you want the conversation to stay on topic. If you want the conversation to stay on topic, as i do, then it is your responsibility to work towards ensuring that (which includes ignoring/suppressing tangent, distraction, and red herring). If you don't want the conversation to stay on topic, then just keep doing what you're doing - but don't delude yourself into believing the lie that you want the conversation to stay on topic or continue.

A literal, parenthetical, non-sequitur in action.

You don't seem to understand. The fact is, you could be a bot. The fact is, i could be a bot. That isn't going to change. It is just something you are going to have to come to terms with. It is a facet of the technological hellscape we inhabit. There is nothing we can do about it - but we can avoid exhibiting the traits/habits of bots as well as engage in meaningful conversation and other actions that they simply cannot perform.

In the meantime, try not to take any offense. None is intended.

You are not telling me I am acting like one. You are directly questioning whether I am

They are effectively one and the same. I am telling you that i am getting closer to concluding you are bot because of the actions which i outline explicitly in the comments which make you appear that way. I am always questioning wether or not you are a bot, and always will be. I highly recommend you do the same with any online discourse - it is the prudent thing to do.

one case lament that you have to assume that I am.

The lament is likewise omnipresent. I would be happier if this hellscape did not involve bots, and there was no possibility that you were one. Alas, reality does not allow it.

They are non sequiturs

No. Perhaps you want them to be, but when the other person in a discussion repeatedly ignores and/or willfully misinterprets what is said - they should be called out on that and corrected. Otherwise there is no conversation, and certainly no reason to continue one. It is absolutely relevant, and furthermore - critical, to the discussion.

meant to throw the conversation off topic.

Not at all! Meant to get the conversation back on topic and making forward progress in communication - if the other party is capable of that! Even if it were red herring designed to do that, it is YOUR responsibility to discard such non-sequitur and continue to stay on the topic of conversation. You are utterly failing to do that right now. Just fyi.

If you wish to continue conversation with me

Only if you are both earnest and capable (though assuming you are not a bot, i have increased tolerance for the latter).

Otherwise, you’re fully demonstrating that you do not respect me, nor the conversation at hand.

It is because i respect the conversation at hand that i call you out on patterns/habits/actions you take within it which (ostensibly intentionally) mire and derail its (potential, at least) progress and usefulness.

Not respecting you would likewise warrant no such earnest and needed critique. A bot, and/or any other disearnest participant deserves silence - not help (they they do not seek and cannot use) in correcting their behavior to (potentially, at least) have a more fruitful conversation.

You may say you work very hard not to lie or divert the topic

I say it because it is true. You cannot quote/cite a single lie i've made in this interaction as a result - nor an instance of me diverting from the topic. Telling you you are acting like a bot/shill/troll is not a diversion from the conversation, but both central to it and necessary as i have explained in detail.