You are completely missing the point. Even if that were true (which it isn't) i take no responsibility for YOUR actions/response. "They started it" is not a valid defense, period.
You have chosen to derail the conversation and abandon the topic of it because of some minor comments which you believe (incorrectly) were only designed to do exactly that. So your response to someone attempting to derail a conversation is to help them derail that conversation :( If you wanted the conversation to stay on topic, you have both failed to ensure that and played directly into their hands to actively help them abandon it.
It's your responsibility as well to keep the conversation on topic,
I agree, and one that i take seriously.
but you intend to distract instead
I intend to have a productive conversation, if that is possible. If it isn't, then i intend to have no conversation at all. Not telling you that your habits/actions within the conversation are that of bots and allowing you to continue willfully misunderstanding and repeating the same mistakes over and over again is simply "how to keep an idiot busy". If you can't do better, you can't continue to make progress in the conversation. It is as simple as that, regardless of wether you are a bot or not.
I'm helping you break your bad habits and actions
You can lead a horse to water, and you can suggest anything you like. The onus for derailing the conversation and abandoning the topic is entirely on you, and continues to be now. I cannot and will not take any responsibility for your actions. It is extremely childish to assume that i should.
It is good to help others and to provide useful advice, but you can only hope to have control (and even then, only through years of disciplined training) of your own actions.
Even if i did intend to derail the conversation with a few minor comments - YOU still did the derailing through your reaction. You should recognize and take responsibility for that, or it will keep happening in the future. I was not seeking/trying to manipulate you, but you are making it very easy for those who do/will by childishly trying to blame them for your own actions/reactions.
It starts with you.
Practice what you preach! People will often fall short of your expectations of them, including yourself - but you can only have agency over yourself.
Your actions demonstrate you don't respect me or the conversation topic
I can't (and won't) tell you how to feel, but it is you abandoning the conversation and topic thereof, and has been for MANY comments now. Own it, or you will do it again the future.
I agree! But you are continuing to derail, so it's best we directly address it so you no longer have to make these baseless assumptions. It seems you are more concerned with assumptions rather than getting concrete information, which again demonstrates a lack of respect.
I intend to have a productive conversation, if that is possible.
You have not done well through your continuous showing of disrespect.
I cannot and will not take any responsibility for your actions.
I am requesting you take responsibility for your own actions. Your actions have been to continuously bring up questions on whether or not I'm a bot, in an attempt to derail the main topic with non-sequitur. If you insist that this is to be questioned, then it's best we move to a medium where it wouldn't be. You don't seem to want that though.'
Even if i did intend to derail the conversation with a few minor comments - YOU still did the derailing
Then grow up, recognize/admit your mistake, and try to do better next time! Doubling down on "you started it, so all of my subsequent actions are your fault", as you are currently doing, is embarrassing and childish :(
Of course, the above council assumes you are capable of (and willing to do) that, which i hope for your sake - that you are.
You have not done well through your continuous showing of disrespect.
As i've already told you, it is not disrespectful to make you aware of your bot like actions which both mire/prevent useful conversation and cause me to conclude that you are a bot and/or otherwise incapable of doing any better.
It is, of course, your choice to be offended however - though no offense was intended (quite the opposite!).
I am requesting you take responsibility for your own actions
Don't waste your breath. I already have. This is about you, and your continued derailing of the conversation as well as continued abandonment of its topic. If you truly cared about the topic of conversation, then you would abandon this distraction and get back to it!
Your actions have been to continuously bring up questions on whether or not I'm a bot
If you want that to stop, you must stop acting like a bot. If you can't, then there is nothing more to discuss.
then it's best we move to a medium where it wouldn't be.
You don't seem to understand. There is no superior medium. Having some visible avatar (real or generated) as well as audio (real or generated) proves nothing, and even if you were not a bot during that brief interaction would not establish that you weren't a bot in previous or future interactions. All of this is moot however, because if you can't avoid bot like tendencies that are preventing the discussion from being useful - it doesn't matter if you are a bot or not - you are simply not capable of meaningful rational discourse.
"I pushed you, but it was YOUR fault you fell"
Now you are getting it. The discipline required not to fall is what you lack, and apparently are choosing to proudly continue to lack. I urge you to reconsider. It is within your power not "to fall", not to give in to reactionary emotion and end up serving those who wish to derail the conversation (of which you claim, but notably do not act, that you are one).
Then grow up, recognize/admit your mistake, and try to do better next time!
Calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is nothing I need to apologize for.
it is not disrespectful to make you aware of your bot like actions which both mire/prevent useful conversation and cause me to conclude that you are a bot and/or otherwise incapable of doing any better.
What is disrespectful is constant use of this as a non-sequitur which distracts from the main topic. You can voice your concern about my understandings without making baseless assumptions.
and even if you were not a bot during that brief interaction would not establish that you weren't a bot in previous or future interactions
I think now we should establish what you mean by "bot." Here I was under the assumption that you were using it in the common usage, thinking my comments were AI generated. What do you mean, specifially, by "bot"?
Now you are getting it...It is within your power not "to fall", not to give in to reactionary emotion and end up serving those who wish to derail the conversation
You're acknowledging that you were wishing to derail the conversation, and it was my fault for falling for it?
Calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is nothing I need to apologize for.
Who said it was? I said you ought recognize and admit your mistake (derailing the conversation and continuing to abandon its topic) to yourself, so you can hopefully avoid it in the future!
No one has asked for any apology in any case.
You can voice your concern about my understandings without making baseless assumptions.
Sadly they were not baseless :( If only they were baseless, we could have skipped this utter waste of breath. If you act like a bot - or otherwise in a manner that prevents the conversation from being productive or of any value - i'm going to tell you. Call it a distraction if you wish, but without addressing and remedying those behaviors the conversation is fruitless and thus over. It was, and is, only out of respect for the discussion that i made those comments and always will when appropriate.
What do you mean, specifially, by "bot"?
What you think, more or less. "AI"/programmatically generated; whole or in part. Yes, there are visual avatars with human-like speech which can also perform their actions in a "discord" or other video based forum in real time.
You also seem to be overlooking the very real possibility that although a human can be employed to circumvent a bot detection (such as a captcha, or in this context a "video call/conference" to "prove" they are human) - that does not and cannot prove that they were not a bot in the past or will not be a bot in the future once that bot detection is circumvented.
You're acknowledging that you were wishing to derail the conversation
Of course not! You merely misinterpreted the cause and meaning of my "push" - which i have explicitly clarified (including purpose/reasoning for making such comments) repeatedly.
it was my fault for falling for it?
Yes. It was your fault for choosing (and continuing to choose) to abandon the discussion and the topic thereof. You did not need to do that, and if you let your reactionary emotion rule your actions you help do your enemies work for them. I am not your enemy, and did not in any way seek to derail the conversation with my comment (precisely the opposite!) - but had i been (as MANY are) you would have done all my work for me.
If you want the conversation to be productive and stay on topic, then you must work to ensure that. Suppressing/ignoring such "baseless accusation" and other distraction is just one thing you must do to achieve that goal. Controlling your emotion [being disciplined] is another.
You are completely missing the point. Even if that were true (which it isn't) i take no responsibility for YOUR actions/response. "They started it" is not a valid defense, period.
You have chosen to derail the conversation and abandon the topic of it because of some minor comments which you believe (incorrectly) were only designed to do exactly that. So your response to someone attempting to derail a conversation is to help them derail that conversation :( If you wanted the conversation to stay on topic, you have both failed to ensure that and played directly into their hands to actively help them abandon it.
I agree, and one that i take seriously.
I intend to have a productive conversation, if that is possible. If it isn't, then i intend to have no conversation at all. Not telling you that your habits/actions within the conversation are that of bots and allowing you to continue willfully misunderstanding and repeating the same mistakes over and over again is simply "how to keep an idiot busy". If you can't do better, you can't continue to make progress in the conversation. It is as simple as that, regardless of wether you are a bot or not.
You can lead a horse to water, and you can suggest anything you like. The onus for derailing the conversation and abandoning the topic is entirely on you, and continues to be now. I cannot and will not take any responsibility for your actions. It is extremely childish to assume that i should.
It is good to help others and to provide useful advice, but you can only hope to have control (and even then, only through years of disciplined training) of your own actions.
Even if i did intend to derail the conversation with a few minor comments - YOU still did the derailing through your reaction. You should recognize and take responsibility for that, or it will keep happening in the future. I was not seeking/trying to manipulate you, but you are making it very easy for those who do/will by childishly trying to blame them for your own actions/reactions.
Practice what you preach! People will often fall short of your expectations of them, including yourself - but you can only have agency over yourself.
I can't (and won't) tell you how to feel, but it is you abandoning the conversation and topic thereof, and has been for MANY comments now. Own it, or you will do it again the future.
I agree! But you are continuing to derail, so it's best we directly address it so you no longer have to make these baseless assumptions. It seems you are more concerned with assumptions rather than getting concrete information, which again demonstrates a lack of respect.
You have not done well through your continuous showing of disrespect.
I am requesting you take responsibility for your own actions. Your actions have been to continuously bring up questions on whether or not I'm a bot, in an attempt to derail the main topic with non-sequitur. If you insist that this is to be questioned, then it's best we move to a medium where it wouldn't be. You don't seem to want that though.'
"I pushed you, but it was YOUR fault you fell"
Then grow up, recognize/admit your mistake, and try to do better next time! Doubling down on "you started it, so all of my subsequent actions are your fault", as you are currently doing, is embarrassing and childish :(
Of course, the above council assumes you are capable of (and willing to do) that, which i hope for your sake - that you are.
As i've already told you, it is not disrespectful to make you aware of your bot like actions which both mire/prevent useful conversation and cause me to conclude that you are a bot and/or otherwise incapable of doing any better.
It is, of course, your choice to be offended however - though no offense was intended (quite the opposite!).
Don't waste your breath. I already have. This is about you, and your continued derailing of the conversation as well as continued abandonment of its topic. If you truly cared about the topic of conversation, then you would abandon this distraction and get back to it!
If you want that to stop, you must stop acting like a bot. If you can't, then there is nothing more to discuss.
You don't seem to understand. There is no superior medium. Having some visible avatar (real or generated) as well as audio (real or generated) proves nothing, and even if you were not a bot during that brief interaction would not establish that you weren't a bot in previous or future interactions. All of this is moot however, because if you can't avoid bot like tendencies that are preventing the discussion from being useful - it doesn't matter if you are a bot or not - you are simply not capable of meaningful rational discourse.
Now you are getting it. The discipline required not to fall is what you lack, and apparently are choosing to proudly continue to lack. I urge you to reconsider. It is within your power not "to fall", not to give in to reactionary emotion and end up serving those who wish to derail the conversation (of which you claim, but notably do not act, that you are one).
Calling out your attempts to distract and use non-sequitur is nothing I need to apologize for.
What is disrespectful is constant use of this as a non-sequitur which distracts from the main topic. You can voice your concern about my understandings without making baseless assumptions.
I think now we should establish what you mean by "bot." Here I was under the assumption that you were using it in the common usage, thinking my comments were AI generated. What do you mean, specifially, by "bot"?
You're acknowledging that you were wishing to derail the conversation, and it was my fault for falling for it?
Who said it was? I said you ought recognize and admit your mistake (derailing the conversation and continuing to abandon its topic) to yourself, so you can hopefully avoid it in the future!
No one has asked for any apology in any case.
Sadly they were not baseless :( If only they were baseless, we could have skipped this utter waste of breath. If you act like a bot - or otherwise in a manner that prevents the conversation from being productive or of any value - i'm going to tell you. Call it a distraction if you wish, but without addressing and remedying those behaviors the conversation is fruitless and thus over. It was, and is, only out of respect for the discussion that i made those comments and always will when appropriate.
What you think, more or less. "AI"/programmatically generated; whole or in part. Yes, there are visual avatars with human-like speech which can also perform their actions in a "discord" or other video based forum in real time.
You also seem to be overlooking the very real possibility that although a human can be employed to circumvent a bot detection (such as a captcha, or in this context a "video call/conference" to "prove" they are human) - that does not and cannot prove that they were not a bot in the past or will not be a bot in the future once that bot detection is circumvented.
Of course not! You merely misinterpreted the cause and meaning of my "push" - which i have explicitly clarified (including purpose/reasoning for making such comments) repeatedly.
Yes. It was your fault for choosing (and continuing to choose) to abandon the discussion and the topic thereof. You did not need to do that, and if you let your reactionary emotion rule your actions you help do your enemies work for them. I am not your enemy, and did not in any way seek to derail the conversation with my comment (precisely the opposite!) - but had i been (as MANY are) you would have done all my work for me.
If you want the conversation to be productive and stay on topic, then you must work to ensure that. Suppressing/ignoring such "baseless accusation" and other distraction is just one thing you must do to achieve that goal. Controlling your emotion [being disciplined] is another.