I've already explained my position on this thoroughly. If you don't want to understand it, or the reasoning behind it (which i've also shared, thoroughly) - then i can't (and wouldn't, if i could!) force you.
I would say it's foolish at this point to even consider the idea that you might be a bot
If only that were the case :( We are well and truly "through the looking glass" now. It is foolish to not consider any online entity potentially a bot - even one that was previously a human.
You say here that you are a human
I do. Bots can (and do) too :(
so then why on earth would it be considered foolish for me to say that I am certain you are human
Because blindly believing the voices you encounter - wether online or in real life - is foolish.
You insult me just for the sake of insulting me?
Certainly not. I fully and sincerely apologize for any offense or insult you have interpreted/received from my words; i know you may find this hard to believe, but it is not my intention.
I work very hard (though admittedly do still fail) to only ever attack the thought and never the thinker (aka: avoid ad hominem). Foolish, stupid, genius - these are aspects of humanity, not archetypes. When i call an idea or action of yours stupid or foolish (or vice versa) that does not mean i am attacking you or saying that i do not also have foolish and stupid ideas/actions. When i say you are foolish for believing i could not be a bot, i am not painting you as an archetypal fool incapable of any better or otherwise a fool in every regard - i am saying that that specific view is foolish.
I make a correct evaluation of the person you are
Things are not always as they seem. It is true that i am a human, and that you are correct in that (though bots can claim the same). It is not true that i was intending to disrespect you at any point during this discussion - but i fully understand (and even earnestly apologize for) why and how it was received that way by you. Things are not always as they appear to us - even though that subjective reality we experienced was!
It seems you are just trying to be confrontational.
Not intentionally no. Perhaps naturally, and out of frustration.
The very reason I have to tell you is because you've been misinterpreting the actions I have already shown you. I am simply, politely, correcting you.
If you don't want to understand it, or the reasoning behind it (which i've also shared, thoroughly) - then i can't (and wouldn't, if i could!) force you.
I understand your argument, I am refuting it with a counter, by stating that interaction with a bot is significantly easier to discern when the conversation is over audio, video, or better still, in person, something that is quite common knowledge. Obviosuly, I think the latter option will likely have logistical issues, which is why the next best option is video.
This is why I had asked if you believe a robot could pass the Turing test in a conversation with you if had over video (a question you still have not answered). I was making sure whether I'm correct in understanding you have the (extremely uncommon and surprising) belief that you think that it's easier to discern whether a person is human over text, rather video, or any other medium
Because blindly believing the voices you encounter - wether online or in real life is foolish.
I'm not blindly believing anything. The evidence is clear, that you are 100% a human being. To doubt that, at this stage, is foolish.
When i say you are foolish for believing...
If you need to choose your words more carefully, be more mindful to do so. Your actions are showing to be one that are attacking my character rather than the idea. It's clear that the idea is not worth attacking, because you an I both know that you are a human being. It's inreasonable for you to go after that idea.
However, you still do attack my character imilar to how you in your repeated suggestions that "my behavior is bot-like." It's attacking me, often in efforts to either distract or avoid the topic at hand, but ultimately to not address the idea that I present to you.
This is the entire reason why I have chosen to direct our attention to this tendency of yours, in hopes that you would realize it and learn to be more earnest in having an honest discussion of ideas.
Perhaps naturally, and out of frustration.
Understandable that you might be frustrated! I'm simply attempting to appease frustration, and lack of clarity, by suggesting we move to a medium where we can more intentional and honest dialogue.
It becomes much easier to answer questions directly, and to not drop off the topic when direct questions are asked by one person to the other.
Is because you're offended (disrespected IS offended, you silly billy) :( If you weren't you could drop all of this and would have moved on a dozen or so duplicate comments ago.
I understand your argument
It isn't an argument, it's just my perspective and the reality.
I am refuting it with a counter
You can't refute someone else's perspective or reality. Even if you could, it would all be moot because if you can't avoid bot like tendencies here - you can't do it anywhere else for the same reasons.
If you can avoid these bad habits, and abandon your parroting loop - then for god's sake do it. Otherwise, be silent.
The evidence is clear, that you are 100% a human being
I don't disagree that there is some evidence that i am a human being - at least some of the time. It is more the "100%" certainty that is so foolish, as well as believing what is said without rigorous validation (in any context). There is (and you should be aware of) always the non zero percent chance that any online entity is/was (or may become) a bot (yes, including audio and video chat too).
Understandable that you might be frustrated
Then stop it. If you know that you are frustrating and are NOT a troll (which actively seek to frustrate), then simply stop. Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation - if you can - otherwise, be silent.
Not necessarily, and not in this case. I can understand when I'm being disrespected, but I don't have to feel offended or take offense to it. I ignored it for some time in other conversations we had, but unfortunately it was no use, because you insisted on going about that method in lieu of directly addressing the points.
if you can't avoid bot like tendencies here - you can't do it anywhere else for the same reasons.
My point is it would be easier for you to determine, in the instance of video or audio chat, whether or not I am a bot because it is more difficult for AI/bots to pass the Turing test in that medium.
It is more the "100%" certainty that is so foolish
Of course it isn't, because the reality is that you are.
To suggest that reality is not reality, is a bit trite.
If you know that you are frustrating and are NOT a troll (which actively seek to frustrate), then simply stop.
My actions are not intended to frustrate, but to guide you to be a better conversational partner so that we can better engage on topics that we each found more interesting!
If you insist on questioning whether or not I'm human, I would have no choice but to address that point head on.
Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation
I don't think productive conversation is possible if you continue to insist that my status as a human is under question. The whole reason I am focused on this topic is so that we can put that manner to bed.
Yes necessarily. Disrespect is necessarily a type of offense.
You could have recognized such attempted disrespect and chose to feel nothing - but you didn't. You felt disrespected - which is to say you felt offended and have both admitted and acted like it from that point on.
If only you were as coldly logical and emotionally detached as your pride is making you pretend to appear; we could have skipped all of this nonsense waste of time. You could have, and would have, ignored all irrelevant comments which had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.
My point is it would be easier for you to determine
Your point is irrelevant/moot. If you cannot avoid bot like tendencies and engage in productive conversation here, then you can't do it anywhere else or in any other medium for the same reasons.
To suggest that reality is not reality
I'm suggesting that your guess as to wether or not i am a human (based largely on my claim that i am, and your gullible belief in those unvalidated claims) MAY be (and in this case happens to be) correct, but is certainly not reality. It is a guess. Forgetting that, as well as the possibility that i may have been a bot in the past or will become one in the future is foolish.
My actions are not intended to frustrate
You cannot hope to be honest with anyone else if you cannot first be honest with yourself. You have done nothing but repeat yourself for damn near 20 comments while repeatedly being asked to stop. If you aren't intending to frustrate, then you aren't aware enough of your conversational actions to hold a conversation with a human.
I don't think productive conversation is possible
Then be silent. For the love of god, be silent.
if you continue to insist that my status as a human is under question
It is, it always was in previous interactions, and it always will be in the future. This is true for all interactions online and the reason for all bot detection that exists. If you don't like being accused and/or compared to the actions of bots - my advice is to quit the internet 10-20 years ago.
Don't tell me. Show me, through your actions.
I've already explained my position on this thoroughly. If you don't want to understand it, or the reasoning behind it (which i've also shared, thoroughly) - then i can't (and wouldn't, if i could!) force you.
If only that were the case :( We are well and truly "through the looking glass" now. It is foolish to not consider any online entity potentially a bot - even one that was previously a human.
I do. Bots can (and do) too :(
Because blindly believing the voices you encounter - wether online or in real life - is foolish.
Certainly not. I fully and sincerely apologize for any offense or insult you have interpreted/received from my words; i know you may find this hard to believe, but it is not my intention.
I work very hard (though admittedly do still fail) to only ever attack the thought and never the thinker (aka: avoid ad hominem). Foolish, stupid, genius - these are aspects of humanity, not archetypes. When i call an idea or action of yours stupid or foolish (or vice versa) that does not mean i am attacking you or saying that i do not also have foolish and stupid ideas/actions. When i say you are foolish for believing i could not be a bot, i am not painting you as an archetypal fool incapable of any better or otherwise a fool in every regard - i am saying that that specific view is foolish.
Things are not always as they seem. It is true that i am a human, and that you are correct in that (though bots can claim the same). It is not true that i was intending to disrespect you at any point during this discussion - but i fully understand (and even earnestly apologize for) why and how it was received that way by you. Things are not always as they appear to us - even though that subjective reality we experienced was!
Not intentionally no. Perhaps naturally, and out of frustration.
The very reason I have to tell you is because you've been misinterpreting the actions I have already shown you. I am simply, politely, correcting you.
I understand your argument, I am refuting it with a counter, by stating that interaction with a bot is significantly easier to discern when the conversation is over audio, video, or better still, in person, something that is quite common knowledge. Obviosuly, I think the latter option will likely have logistical issues, which is why the next best option is video.
This is why I had asked if you believe a robot could pass the Turing test in a conversation with you if had over video (a question you still have not answered). I was making sure whether I'm correct in understanding you have the (extremely uncommon and surprising) belief that you think that it's easier to discern whether a person is human over text, rather video, or any other medium
I'm not blindly believing anything. The evidence is clear, that you are 100% a human being. To doubt that, at this stage, is foolish.
If you need to choose your words more carefully, be more mindful to do so. Your actions are showing to be one that are attacking my character rather than the idea. It's clear that the idea is not worth attacking, because you an I both know that you are a human being. It's inreasonable for you to go after that idea.
However, you still do attack my character imilar to how you in your repeated suggestions that "my behavior is bot-like." It's attacking me, often in efforts to either distract or avoid the topic at hand, but ultimately to not address the idea that I present to you.
This is the entire reason why I have chosen to direct our attention to this tendency of yours, in hopes that you would realize it and learn to be more earnest in having an honest discussion of ideas.
Understandable that you might be frustrated! I'm simply attempting to appease frustration, and lack of clarity, by suggesting we move to a medium where we can more intentional and honest dialogue.
It becomes much easier to answer questions directly, and to not drop off the topic when direct questions are asked by one person to the other.
Is because you're offended (disrespected IS offended, you silly billy) :( If you weren't you could drop all of this and would have moved on a dozen or so duplicate comments ago.
It isn't an argument, it's just my perspective and the reality.
You can't refute someone else's perspective or reality. Even if you could, it would all be moot because if you can't avoid bot like tendencies here - you can't do it anywhere else for the same reasons.
If you can avoid these bad habits, and abandon your parroting loop - then for god's sake do it. Otherwise, be silent.
I don't disagree that there is some evidence that i am a human being - at least some of the time. It is more the "100%" certainty that is so foolish, as well as believing what is said without rigorous validation (in any context). There is (and you should be aware of) always the non zero percent chance that any online entity is/was (or may become) a bot (yes, including audio and video chat too).
Then stop it. If you know that you are frustrating and are NOT a troll (which actively seek to frustrate), then simply stop. Get back on a meaningful topic and engage in productive conversation - if you can - otherwise, be silent.
Not necessarily, and not in this case. I can understand when I'm being disrespected, but I don't have to feel offended or take offense to it. I ignored it for some time in other conversations we had, but unfortunately it was no use, because you insisted on going about that method in lieu of directly addressing the points.
My point is it would be easier for you to determine, in the instance of video or audio chat, whether or not I am a bot because it is more difficult for AI/bots to pass the Turing test in that medium.
Of course it isn't, because the reality is that you are.
To suggest that reality is not reality, is a bit trite.
My actions are not intended to frustrate, but to guide you to be a better conversational partner so that we can better engage on topics that we each found more interesting!
If you insist on questioning whether or not I'm human, I would have no choice but to address that point head on.
I don't think productive conversation is possible if you continue to insist that my status as a human is under question. The whole reason I am focused on this topic is so that we can put that manner to bed.
Yes necessarily. Disrespect is necessarily a type of offense.
You could have recognized such attempted disrespect and chose to feel nothing - but you didn't. You felt disrespected - which is to say you felt offended and have both admitted and acted like it from that point on.
If only you were as coldly logical and emotionally detached as your pride is making you pretend to appear; we could have skipped all of this nonsense waste of time. You could have, and would have, ignored all irrelevant comments which had nothing to do with the topic of discussion.
Your point is irrelevant/moot. If you cannot avoid bot like tendencies and engage in productive conversation here, then you can't do it anywhere else or in any other medium for the same reasons.
I'm suggesting that your guess as to wether or not i am a human (based largely on my claim that i am, and your gullible belief in those unvalidated claims) MAY be (and in this case happens to be) correct, but is certainly not reality. It is a guess. Forgetting that, as well as the possibility that i may have been a bot in the past or will become one in the future is foolish.
You cannot hope to be honest with anyone else if you cannot first be honest with yourself. You have done nothing but repeat yourself for damn near 20 comments while repeatedly being asked to stop. If you aren't intending to frustrate, then you aren't aware enough of your conversational actions to hold a conversation with a human.
Then be silent. For the love of god, be silent.
It is, it always was in previous interactions, and it always will be in the future. This is true for all interactions online and the reason for all bot detection that exists. If you don't like being accused and/or compared to the actions of bots - my advice is to quit the internet 10-20 years ago.