Ffs I just refreshed the page on accident and lost an 8 paragraph response lol. I’m going to keep it a bit briefer this time to avoid further heartache lol. Forgive me if I sound terse!
Regarding the LDT, that is interesting, because while I have seen multiple sources mention the obvious negative effects of, shall we say, “unproductive use” of jing/vital essence, other than in the sources referencing Mo Pai, I’ve likewise not heard of “tearing” one’s LDT. I’m probably overthinking it, considering that, but it did make sense given the purpose of “packing chi” into the LDT being the foundation of the Level 1 practice.
On the contrary, there are many sex related techniques that turn it into a health improving activity, instead of one that wastes jing and qi, that are meant to be practiced alongside other methods.
Yes, I’ve heard passing mention of these things, like in the form of tantric yoga, and references to “orgone”, which I haven’t followed up on much. I think maybe I should be more concerned with the basics, and making sure my own practice is in order, before involving another in it. I could be wrong though?
The Mo Pai lineage supposedly includes Zhang Sanfeng, but if we look at descriptions of Daoist techniques and compare them with Mo Pai, differences are visible. But if there are results, then there are results
Interesting! I had forgotten that, and not read much at all about the “inventor” of tai chi until you mentioned his name. A few purported members of Mo Pai are mentioned in the book by Kosta, and Zhang (named as Chang Sanfeng) is listed as one of only two or three who had climbed the heights of the practice to its peak (~page 105 if you’re interested). I would be very interested to hear you expand on this part.
How long were the "long horse stances"? Would be good if you can find a picture of what it looks like.
About 45-60 minutes. Thinking back to these experiences, it didn’t happen often, and at the time I was trying to absorb information on this subject from anywhere I could find it, which at the time was a book called Energy Work by a Robert Bruce. In that book was an exercise called something like “heart circuit psi/chi ball”, which augmented the standard horse stance by imagining a circuit with your arms (as if one was hugging a large tree) and heart comprising a circuit through which a “chi ball” flows/rotates. This, I remember, made my heart noticeably race, and for whatever reason I haven’t done that exercise since. The reason was largely the many recommendations/warnings I had seen against “skipping ahead” to higher chakras with an undeveloped LDT or root chakra...I think “kundalini sickness” was the thing being warned about. Would you agree with those warnings?
https://www.taichifuture.com/uploads/4/6/3/7/46373393/2386466.jpg?270
There is a picture of the basic stance I was in, maybe with the knees less bent.
Let me reply to the rest separately, with some links to support and refresh my memory
Thanks :)
I came to this topic through the videos of John Chang, head of the Mo Pai school of nei kung. I tried to find out as much as possible of that practice and their techniques.
Basically, what I (try to) do is horse stance for a little while, followed by LDT (lower dantien) breathing, aka “vase breathing” as it is called in Tummo. I try to extend my breath cycles as long as possible:
Inhale (to diaphragm) > hold >
- contract > exhale > hold + contract > repeat
I’ve felt undeniable sensations, and have seen what appears to be physical or semi-physical manifestions of chi (black “electricity” arcing between my fingers, during two particularly long horse stances).
I’ve yet to actually get my shit together enough to dedicate the amount of time to this practice that is obviously required. That’s my big problem right now.
Two things that I seek further information on are the “rules” that apply to storing jing and grounding oneself to the earth. In my study of Mo Pai, it was stated by reputable sources that one must be “grounded” to the earth for the meditation to have any hope of productivity, and one must not have spilled their jing within the prior 72 hours or else the LDT can be irreparably “torn”. These two things have acted as stumbling blocks, or maybe even “excuses” to not practice. Do you have anything you could share on anything in this comment?
Thanks friend
I don’t believe you’re pestering in the least my friend. What you just said kind of jogged a thought loose for me, that I’ve considered for a while:
If/considering the gift of our lives is so rare, then the most important thing we could ever possibly do would be to successfully show another The Way (edit- once we’ve removed the timber from our eye, we may help pluck the splinter from our brother’s eye, that is). When I was far younger I was told “buddhism is about reducing the suffering in the world”, which I see now in terms of casting off the shackles of our illusions and delusions (maya), as opposed to the “give everyone a helping hand and a warm meal” way that I understood it as before (which is probably still valid, but now I realize it’s not the end of the discussion haha).
Thanks for sharing kind soul
You know about the SEC investigation into insider trading that was occurring in the WTC right? Which mysteriously was dropped and never mentioned again? There are other reasons too, like Lucky Larry’s $2,000,000,000 insurance against “terrorist attacks” (which he tried to cash in twice, due to “two attacks” lmao), the pending lawsuits over asbestos poisoning, and probably a dozen other things I can’t remember.
(David) was in the loop for sure
I’ve seen a couple different interpretations of this idea, the picture I used above is just one of them, but I don’t want to restrict the conversation to just this iteration, I’m interested in any version of the claim.
Wiki downplays it (they love to toss the prefix “pseudo-“ on any of their no-no topics), which gives it some credence imo, but you can never tell if they’re trying to pull some double-triple cross shit on that site.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
I think I’ve also heard that the mormons believe in something like this, except instead of just heading to europe, some of the Lost Tribes made their way to America.
The best case I’ve seen for these type of claims comes from Robert Sepehr’s videos, which present the idea with a really interesting spin (all 12 tribes originally came from Atlantis... but he makes a good argument that I have trouble poking holes in)
Edit: here are two of Sepehr’s videos on the subject, looking at the linguistic links between semitic languages like Phoenician, and Germanic runes. He makes a pretty good case (across all of his videos, as he touches on this subject of “European israelism” in many of his videos, often from different perspectives/sources):
I thought of you when I was deciding to post this; WWFWoCD?
It’s from the Tao Te Ching
Holy shit lol great series of posts,
In a day or two you should make a post that links to all of these and sticky that
8/8
Also, I’m almost certain it is used by multiple writers for zerohedge
I’ll check that book out, thanks. I spent too long dismissing Icke out-of-hand because of the amount of slander he was subjected to
I’ve only watched 4 or 5 of their videos, but I have read one book by Velikovsky, who in some ways is the origin of the Electric Universe theory (but he’s also unrelated to the “Thunderbolts Project” people, as they came far later than his stuff)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky
If you find anything interesting in your searches on the subject I’d always be interested in checking out a post on it, or whatever
What power source was the guy in the video connected to?
I know the “electric universe” / “thunderbolts project” people have discussed this, I think this video covers it, but I could be mixing it up with one of their other ones:
That footage was filmed in the late 90s, bozo, they didn’t have consumer-grade wireless LEDs back then lmao
Source video: https://youtu.be/TdYM0vNufwc
After seeing it (almost) first hand in this footage, I was forced to re-evaluate my stance on every other reference to magic throughout history.
In addition to the video footage, in the past westerners have been able to seek out Chang and train under him. A Greek engineer did so for years and wrote a book trying to apply a scientific approach to what he witnessed and experienced. This book really shines an interesting light on not just the what observed in the video, but investigates possible answers for the how as well. In addition, it's just a highly engrossing book.
PDF of the book: https://www.sacred-magick.com/free/files/The%20Magus%20of%20Java.pdf
I believe John Chang is by far the most convincing case of human potential exceeding the limits set by our current paradigms. A thorough look into him and the mystery around him is able to shine a light on the many dark and seemingly disconnected areas that conspiracy research takes us.
Note: If your only contribution will be to cry "fake" or bring up some non-sequitur about Randi and his ilk of mental midgets, look up the Neurophysicist, Neurologist, Medical Doctor, Documentarian, and the Mechanical Engineer who helped design the F-18 fighter jet with General Dynamics, and debunk them first. They saw Chang with their own eyes and walked away convinced.
A more well studied practice, known as Tummo and practiced by Tibetan buddhists, is quite similar to the foundations of Chang's practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajTafbG7II
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2002/04/meditation-changes-temperatures/
https://www.nature.com/articles/295234a0
"During visits to remote monasteries in the 1980s, Benson and his team studied monks living in the Himalayan Mountains who could, by g Tum-mo meditation, raise the temperatures of their fingers and toes by as much as 17 degrees. It has yet to be determined how the monks are able to generate such heat."
Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard Medical, also published in the journal nature.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408084858.htm
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0058244
"The researchers collected data during the unique ceremony in Tibet, where nuns were able to raise their core body temperature and dry up wet sheets wrapped around their bodies in the cold Himalayan weather (-25 degree Celsius) while meditating."
Similarly, Wim Hof has demonstrated a Westernized approach to g-Tummo that removes the more spiritual or "traditional" aspects in favor of a pragmatic "just what works" approach.
(use google translate, they haven't made the article available in English)
Highly recommend that doc
You should take a screenshot or two and make this into a post, it’s a clear cut example of their manipulation
Read the title of this thread. No, there are no woke Mexicans out there who’s driving issue is the % of goyim that buy into the holocaust narrative
You don’t see Mexicans writing articles like this
One real form of magic is spellcraft. The ability to reshape how others perceive the world around them, through nothing more than vocalizations.
Through spelling, according the laws of grimoire, one is able to cast a sentence. Will you allow yourself to be sentenced by another man? (our word “grammar” comes from the bound collection of spells, known as a grimoire).
This all may sound fruity or too esoteric to be true, but at a minimum, those who rule our world appear to believe it to be the case.
I’d love to participate in a discussion on the metaphysical, the ethereal, the unseen realms. People’s best lines of thought and research on the undergirding of reality. Sometimes it feels like we’re just like pigs, wallowing in the filth of our pen, unable to dream of the world beyond the pen
I’m not sure I have an answer to this, mostly because my amount of practice has been quite inadequate, and sporadic. Only within the last year or so have I come to realize that despite being aware of these things, and their importance, I was using excuses or “obligations” to avoid doing what I needed to be doing (diligent practice)...my drive is... lacking I suppose. It’s too easy for me to not practice? This seems to be my biggest hurdle to overcome...
Only secondhand, from what I’ve read (mainly in the Magus of Java) :
Level 1) learn how to draw in yang chi, and bring with it yin chi
Level 2) learn how to compress/condense this qi in the LDT
Level 3) learn how to move this condensed (but unmerged, still separately yin and yang) chi
Level 4) learn how to fuse yin and yang chi
Levels 5-72 I’ve not seen discussed before, beyond their acknowledgement and the claim that John Chang had a book that contained them, which had been passed down through his school. I’ve been meaning to reread the magus of java actually, as you can likely tell by my descriptions I’m far from knowledgeable and some key details have slipped my mind. Also, there is an air of secrecy surrounding Mo Pai, with various people claiming the practices are one way, and others claiming those practices to be faulty, and can lead to dis-ease, so I’m not really sure about much more than the first level’s seated meditation technique, of which there is a fair few sources to go by and cross-reference (kosta’s book, some of Jim’s students who’ve shared what he conveyed about the topic, forum posts from supposed chinese/indonesian students, those kinds of things).
Here is the copy of the Magus of Java that I refer to:
https://www.sacred-magick.com/free/files/The%20Magus%20of%20Java.pdf
I apologize (even though I’ve only harmed myself through inaction), I’m only now looking up those texts (excuses excuses). I’ll start with the versions you linked and use google to work through them.
Thanks
:)