Garbage in - garbage out does not mean that quality in - quality out. With grabage in you always get garbage out. But with quality in you could get quality out only if what is between in and out works properly. In all other cases you still get garbage out.

Back to the analogy in post, even you have perfectly educated and developed humans that have quality input, that does not mean that as a result of their activity you will get something good out, if, say, there is dumb authorities that interfere with process. There still be crap on the output.

We were talking about game theory.

Game theory is complete jewish bullshit. that grow from neoclassic economics theory that war never scientifically proved and never ever worked.

Your assumption about profit, competition, demand and narrative, agenda does not align with reality. Because all that stuff happens not in the mind of some economics pundit, but in real world and perpetuated by real and stupid people (or not-even-a-people). That is why agenda is fucked up, narrative is falling apart and all that demand-supply-competition looks more like broken engine than some textbook example you desperately try to pull on current mess.

You know nothing about how things works and why. Mix fusion and fission, don't even know about inventions of your own scientists and trying to stick new meanings to the old well-defined terms. You have only some crammed unscientific theories about shit named economics that have nothing common with reality.

It's a pity that you can't exceed the limits of the other people constructions that live in your head and try to think on your own.

That game have no name.

Everything has to be locally hosted

That's absolutely critical thing that most people don't unserstand at all.

I was originally worried about the "up is on, down is off" mantra being broken, but it really is not a big deal.

That thing annoyed me all the time. :)

Personally, I have found all of this effort to be far more than a gimmick. Being able to turn off all of the lights in one go from the bed after laying down is very nice.

Really, I turn off light only when I want dark in that place for some reason. Most time lights are on all the time. LED bulbs (lower the working current a little, changing the LED current setting resistor, they will last forever) eat too little power to care about. So, there are no any reason to turn off the light now. I even don't have a switches in some places like toilet or bath.

Being able to set it to randomly turn on lights when I am on vacation provides some degree of peace of mind.

That is nice feature for towns, I suppose.

Not a substitute for a proper alarm system, but it's something.

We rarely lock the doors here, but I guess it could be useful in less calm areas. However, I have some IP cameras and simple DVR program "motion" that analyse stream and record if something moves to watch on animals and weather events.

turn on all of my outdoor lights at once.

I just installed a photorelay, that turn on all outdoor lights on dusk and turn off on the dawn. No need to do anything at all. But may be it will be better to do it with timer that calculate time of sunset and sunrise for every day. Photrelay could turn on light during severe thunderstorm, when it come dark and then periodically dim the llights on lightnings.

With the resources required to develop and implement 5G, developing better local mesh networks would be a cinch.

Development of new generation never stops. You just need to push your demands, and that's all. 6G network is already in development and collecting proposals.

Not really. The reason I say this is because phones nowadays suck. It is not uncommon for a phone to enter into a memory loop or some shit and drain the battery so fast the phone gets hot to the touch. A slight increase in idle consumption for a couple days wouldn't be something someone notices. Even if it lasts for weeks. The person would just think they need a new phone or battery.

True. That's what will really happen. I just forget how ignorant regular smartphone user is.

And since so many of these devices are wi-fi based, why bother with the 5G again?

It depends on privider connection and user payments. Unreliable.

I use Home Assistant running on a local server to integrate with all sorts of smart devices, which are all blocked from seeing the internet by my router.

I experimented heavily with all that "IoT" stuff long before the term "IoT" popped up. DMX512 for lights and other outputs and raw RS485 for switches, sensors and other controls (should have been MODBUS, but I'm lazy). And all that switching home things from phone is a complete shit. There is nothing better than regular physical mechanical switches and knobs, and if you want some automation there should be some mechanical drives in them. Because when you turn on the light in the room from computer, wall switch should be in on position, so when I want to turn it off i don't need to think a second or guess current state. Ergonomics. But at the time I could not find such wall switches and knobs, and I was too lasy to modify regular ones with servos and other stuff.

It is very uncomfortable to control home lights and all the stuff from the phone or some panel or whatever. And there always should be manual failover. For everything.

I want to try some gesture switches, you know, like that glowing and beeping things in SciFi movies that opens the doors, that triggered by hand waving in the front of device. Easy things. At least they could be found useful in garage and toilet/bath when your hands dirty or wet.

Mesh-type networks aren't all that uncommon. And the concept does not have unavoidable problems, there just isn't as much use for the technology as you'd think.

I tried nearly everything - Z-Wave (not really mesh, it needs a controller), ZigBee mesh mode, Netsukuku, BATMAN and others. All of them show low bandwidth and high and unstable latency. And there always was some problems when nodes just disappear from network. Interference on working frequency often just ruined everything and network does not come back on its own. Name one that works reliably, fast and repair itself without intervention.

Nope, when you want that real-time surveillance, you just turn it on

Possible, yes. But still will be noticeable by phone user.

I'm not sure why I didn't call this out before... but why would a tea kettle or dishwasher, even a "smart" one have bluetooth? This shit's wi-fi.

Saw a lot of shit with Bluetooth. WiFi shit is much worse, you need not only app on the phone, but also a connection to the some "cloud service" in internet. And phone app is connecting to that cloud that will send a command to turn on your fucking kettle. IDK, but seems that here WiFi stuff is less popular.

I understand their agenda, more interesting if there is really any sever problems with electricity in US that really need emergency, or it is just a fake excuse for pushing agenda.

If the latter is correct, then there is clear pattern of their actions - began to talk about non-existing problem in some area, overhype it, then announce some "urgent measures", fuck everything up with that measures and finally get real problems in that area.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including by section 318(a) of the Tariff Act of 1930, as amended, 19 U.S.C. 1318(a), do hereby declare an emergency to exist with respect to the threats to the availability of sufficient electricity generation capacity to meet expected customer demand.

...

To provide relief from the emergency, the Secretary shall consider taking appropriate action ... Secretary may prescribe, the importation, free of the collection of duties and estimated duties ... of certain solar cells and modules, exported from the Kingdom of Cambodia, Malaysia, the Kingdom of Thailand, and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Is it some kind of joke or what? What the hell is going on? Are people in US really expirience some problems with elecricity or it is just another manufactured hoax unwinding?

The hand drawn map, using crayons, with the Top Secret orders.

Russia don't have such category of secrecy as "Top Secret". And never had. Your source is just lying without any knowledge of how things established in Russia.

I have no idea why Russian pilots use palm pilots?

I have no idea why somebody will recall that failed and unpopular pocket computers except some vintage collectors. Palm Pilots was not popular in Russia, here we used mostly Windows CE devices at the time. And I doubt that it is possible to find one with working battery after two decades.

I didn't say poweststations, you did.

Wasn't that your words:

Fusion powestations exist you know this,

?

I said they haven't cracked it yet.

They have no fusion powerstations. At all. Cracked or not cracked. All experimental fusion reactors just lack the part that could convert heat to something useable, even for self-support. They are like firepits without any pot and steam turbine. And they trying to set the fire in that firetpit, but can't do it.

Thermonuclear stellareactors aren't fusion.

Thermonuclear reaction is a fusion of two atoms into one. Stellarator is a type of magnetic trap invented by Americans, it is different from tokamak invented by Russians. To perform thermoniclear reaction you need to somehow heat the palsma to high temperatures containing it in some kind of trap to prevent expansion and dissipation. One of possible take on containing plasma is using a magnetic trap. If you contain plasma with stellarator you potentially could heat it enough to start thermonuclear reaction and get a working fusion reactor.

What are you babbling about.

Seems that it is you the only one who bubbling. It is a first time when I meet a person who talk about fusion reactors and know nothing about thermonuclear reactions, stellarators and plasma.

Enough of the bullshit

Yep. Enough is enough.

Yes, and before 5G came out, was there reliable equipment for a 5G network? Nope.

Just like with 2G/3G/4G. What's wrong? New generations was build on the infrastructure of previous generation, that make things much simplier.

Coming up with a mesh network is minor compared to that.

Centralised network and mesh network is completely different beasts. In centralised network you have distinct master and slave devices. In mesh network there are no master who controls slave devices, so a problem of collision resolution arises. And it is more complex than resolving collisions in wired networks.

It's not bad. You don't stream the audio 24/7, you record it 24/7 and transmit it in packets alongside other data. Nobody would notice.

Your variant lack a feature of real-time surveillance on selected person.

If it takes a meaningful amount of power, it would be noticed pretty readily even in electronics plugged into the wall.

It is perfectly noticeable for the shitty phone battery, but negligible in comparison to the average power consumption of home appliances.

You're such a dumbass. Where was the GPS?

Are you shure it was?

Why was there that handrawn Map?

Why do you think that anything that UK defence minister told about his enemy is truth?

However, there exists one tradition among some pilots - to have a pack of Belomorkanal cigarettes on board as an amulet. even if pilot don't smoke. On the pack of that shitty cigarettes there is a map of European part of Russia centered on Belomorkanal - the channel between White and Baltic sea. There is legend since WWII times, I think, that once, one pilot lost all navigation and paper map during a severe fight with enemy but found a Belomorkanal pack in pocket. He find a way home using map printed on the pack.

So, it could be that some stupid British press-worker, find a photo of dash with that amulet and being not aware of that tradition though that it was some GPS device, since it is square pack with drawings that looks like modern "flat" UI hipster design of some electronic gadget. He reported his find to his masters and UK defence minister just voiced what his masters told him.

Suddenly you're selling the high prescion barrel bombs to China, no. No such thing as precision barrel bombs, no demand for them, when a vacuum bomb would've done that job, easier, and if you wanted to level it, drop a Moab.

Maximising civilian deaths is not in the list of military tasks of Russian forces.

I think it will be a good idea to sell some dumb high-precision tube rockets like Kinzhal to Yemen. They will be happy to use them on some US aircraft carriers near Yemen.

Also it could be a very good idea to help Iran with nuclear weapons that will be able to reach Israel. Muslim Pakistan have nuclear weapons and it is perfectly OK, so why Iran can't?

Fusion powestations exist you know this, they're designed off of tokamak reactors

Bullshit. There are no any fusion powerstations exist. Tokamak is not a powerstation. It does not produce consumable energy. And they don't work. Logest fire they achieve is only 17 min, 36 sec. And there are no any signs that continuous self-sustainable reaction with output of useable energy will be achieved in closest future. And, meanwhile that dumb not working tokamaks was invented and designed by Russian orcs.

I have no idea what you're saying? Thermonuclear Stellareactors. Yawn go back to Star Trek.

Stellarator. It is American variant of magnetic trap to contain plasma suitable for fusion reaction. Alternative for tokamaks.

Now I see, that you don't even know basics of what you a trying to talk about. Even purely american ones. Isn't it a shame that some Russian orc know about US science much more than you?

But the quantum processors are there. Faster than your abacus.

Fascinating. Quantum processors can't be compared with anything like abacus, arithmometer, binary microprocessor or any other thing designed to do arbitrary mathematical operation. They are completely different things that do not perform math operations at all. Quantum processor could not even calculate 2+2, how it could be "faster" than thing that doing such calculations? It is insane, how you talk about things you have no any idea about. You literally saying complete bullshit like "Microscope is faster than car" thinking that it somehow have sense.

Now, in your example of making the certified module complete with a microphone and communication to 5G/4G, literally what is complicated about also having a miniature network to communicate with nearby devices and negotiate which one will actually communicate with 4G/5G. LOL. It's not complicated at all if you're going to that length anyway.

I still don't know any reliable mesh or equivalent nodes networks based even on standard modules from single manufacturer. If you know one, please name it, I'm interested in such things a lot. Everything I tried worked awfully. Things are not as simple as appeared to be if you have to automatically connect different devices into reliable network. And you have to do it without any human control and interference.

I thought the goal was to target more conscious people who aren't willing to buy smart home devices to begin with. Now you're relying on everyone being surveilled to willingly by a bluetooth compatible tea kettle? LOL

You can't target conscious people with implementing 5G. They don't use all that BigBrother crap, including stupid IOS/Android based smartphones.

It is about full, 24/7 control on the sheeple they don't know about. You can't do it with smartphone, because you need few times larger battery for 24/7 audio/video streaming. So, it is logical to use home appliances that permanently connected to the power grid and does not have any problems with power. Voice assistants not a solution too - even sheeple know that it is listening. Diswasher that is listening without knowledge of user is much better.

Sorry, it was just kind of sarcasm.

What is really interesting is that Turkey gaining more and more importance using that mess.

Interesting. :) It is definitely very important grain.

But no less complicated than implementing surveillance into every device.

That is not what complicated. To simplify example, let's limit with audio and assume that it is modern electric kettle, dishwasher and fringe with bluetooth module and fancy smartphone app. All of that devices permanently connected to power grid. So there are no problems with power. Every device have a board with MCU and Bluetooth module. Manufacturers use ready-to-use BT modules to avoid certification of every model in FCC and other local RF agencies. They just use already certified modules.

Now we need microphone. It is a tiny part that could be directly connected to device MCU or BT module. All you need to do - is to add a part and few trace to existing PCB design. Then, it just a matter of changing firmware to add audio processing to MCU or setting few registers in BT module to turn on audio inputs.

Now we need a permanent channel to BigBrother. It is not hard too. Since we use ready-to-use BT modules, we just replace them with pin-compatible BT+5G/4G modules.

And now, if we use BT+5G modules we are done. 5G have larger user capacity, so there should be no problems with additional cellular network users.

With 4G modules, we have 4 devices that demand channel to base station instead of one. 3 times more users. Cellular network will become out of capacity and smartphone users will be angry when they will not be able to do a call or connect to internet.

So, to avoid that we have to somehow negotiate between devices and choose one who will connect to cellular network and become a master. So, we need some special protocol, that will combine BT and 4G with negotiations, master selection, channel division, and so on. All that already implemented in the base of cellular protocols, but unuseable for 4G. And the most awful part - we have to make all that different modules and devices compatible and able to negotiate. When you have a cellular standard it is easy. You make the module, check against single testing base station and you are done. The same is with BT, WiFi, etc. But with new protocol, you have to be shure, that all devices will work in identical way. It took a decade to make all BT modules compatible with each other, but there still some problems. In case of open and known to user activity you have at least a way to debug and improve that stuff in real environment using user feedback. But in case of surveillance there is no way to get feedback, f.e. there is nobody present to tell manufacturer that electric kettle could not connect to dishwasher. And this is unresolveable in easy way.

And so on.

With 5G, you just move to next generation, adding demand for higher number of users and higher bandwidth. And you have all basic features borrowed from previous generation. In any case you will eventually replace 4G with something newer, just to utilise new bands, make it more power efficient, add some capabilities and so on.

With 5G work on the new generation is inevitable. With using 4G, you have to desing new system from the ground with doubtful perspectives to get it working in reasonable time due to the problems with finding bugs.

source? i don't disbelieve but that is nuclear-warhead level trivia; trust but verify :)

IDK, if there exists the stats of infant circumcision rates in Europe. May be it is possible to find some stats or something else.

As for Russia, there was never a tradition or cult of circumcision. It always accounted as Jewish and so completely inapropriate for Russian man thing. Muslim population in Russia practice circumcision, but they don't perpetrate it over infants. Jews in Russia obviously do it, but it is unsignificant amount.

This is so unusual thing for Russians that nobody even think about doing some statistics on that. May be there could be some medical reasons to do that, but definitely not on the infants. Nobody never even heard that some doctor asked parents about it on birth, muslim and jewish do that in their religious circles without any intersection with medicine.

I don't know, for Russia it is something like inserting a giant disc into lower lip practicized by some african tribes. Nobody even think about asking and especially propagandising it. It just nonexistent thing for Russians.

i wonder how many other customs could be described with There was no ____ in the places where every man could easily wash his dick ?

Obvioulsy, something connected with hygiene. F.e. Russians never had different flea-fighting devices that was not rare in some European countries, banya(sauna) was affordable for every layer of society 24/7, so there was no need for that devices.

That too. Hemp looks like a very useful plant for high lattitudes countries. But somehow it is villanized there, despite that at high lattitudes it just can't produce THC that was used as a reason of villanization. You just can't get high from the hemp grown somewhere in the fields of Gernamy or Canada. Or you have to somehow smoke out the whole field.

Does Uganda count?

There is difference between ancient hygienic tradition that became religious rithual and when religious rithual was brought with religion. I don't know if that was historical in Uganda, or they sometime fall into Judaism.

Yet another rabbit hole:

Hemp, along with flax, was nearly completely pushed out of fabric manufacturing, and whole industry was switched to the cotton and synthetic fibre. Cotton, unlike flax and hemp needs specific conditions and could grow only in specific regions. Hemp and flax could grow everywhere, so you don't need an abroad source of raw materials for the domestic fabric manufacturing. And both, hemp and flax have superior properties over cotton for making fabric.

PS: Hemp perfectly grow in high lattitudes, it just does not produce significant amounts of THC.

Why did the ancients practice it?

Only West and Middle Asia ancients practice it. In the places where was a problems with water and basic hygiene. There was no any circumcision cults in the palces where every man could easily wash his dick.

Interesting that this strange and very local cult took over North America. There was no such tradition in Europe, Russia and East Asia. So, somehow Jewish tradition spread over white population of US and Canada. Jews are very careful and rarely allow spreading of their traditions over goyim. With exception of circumcision.

Wow! Who could think that it is yet another hoax, really?

Wait, you think that's the nations of the Soviet Union were owned by Russia?

I have no any idea. I just have solid observations on how Russia works. Does US think that it owns its nations, states and Europe and other stuff?

Thanks for exposing yourself as a fucking Stalinist.

Yea, Capitalistic Russian Nazi Communist Libertarian. I don't care.

Russia is fucked for generations

Do you really believe that? Seems there is countries fucked much more than Russia.

and here you are engaging in delusions of grandeur,

Only miserable loosers need delusions of grandeur. You don't need to think about grandeur at all when you are 1/6 of world land, exist for millenia and have all necessary resources and tech to exist infinitely. There is just no other entities around who is interesting enough that it could be reasonable to announce your status to them. Russia needs nothing from the World. It's a World who constantly demand and want something from Russia for unknown, but always shitty reason.

Russia is not some ugly rainbow brain faggot who have to jog around the world telling everybody that he is a superior being to be noticed.

Does that simple thought ever visited your brain, or it is very hard to understand that there could be people, countries or entities that just want that self-established mentors and pundits who know everything better to fuck the hell off.

just like your daddy Putin.

I hate Putin. But definitely not because he prohibits gay marriages or western opposition shills. He is clear NWO puppet and did a lot of harm to the Russia and Russian people. And still doing, not allowing Russia to fully use all excellent opportunites for the growth that was kindly gifted to Russia by Western sanctions. And that coronahoax. Just imagine if Russia didn't give a fuck to coronahoax, like Belarus do. No lockdowns, no vaccines, no any economics disturbances. I think today picture would have look noticeably different. And so on, with every single globalist shit pushed onto Russia.

This would be a far easier option than rolling out 5G, and raise far fewer eyebrows, as it would be completely hidden.

It is possible, but all home aplliance manufacturers have to make an agreement on some protocols and hierarchy of selection some master device who will be connected with base station and collect data from other devices of other manufacturers. I think that it could be as complex as rolling out next generation.

Still not enough data. What you're speculating requires so much data that we could not possibly have with anything close to the current tech.

Overestimating tech advances is usual thing. Do you remember Moore's law? And many top parties make decisions on it. Or that hype around magneto-resistive RAM? And so on.

At the time of planning total surveilance, they take a storage capacity growth as constant. Many years later, when it comes to real implementations, that prognosis failed. So they forced development of ANNs and other stuff to reduce amount of data to store.

With the same probability they could have been failed with bandwidth expectations, or cameras resolution, f.e.

They failed whole plan of total surveillance, but still got an ability to surveil any choosen person on demand. Not that bad for them. From the other side, they occasionally succeded with marketing of that shitty voice assistants.

Something like that.

17.1 million km²

It was 22,4 million km² of Russian Empire before the West began next cycle of disturbing Russia with bolshevik jews.

It was 22,4 million km² of USSR plus 1.4 million km² Eastern Europe before the West began another cycle of disturbing Russia with their fake liberal and democracy jewish shit.

Suppose how it ends now. How many millions km² West is ready to lose now in another dumb attempt to poke the Russia? Or they hope to pay off with Iran, South America and Alaska?

You are fucking insane

It is some jewish western elites who is insane in repeating their stupid actions of disturbing Russia again and again in the desperate attempts to achieve some other result.

Exactly like with previous WHO hoax with H1N1 when a huge piles of unneeded vaccines was waisted after the hoax fall apart. It was even a topic of PACE meeting and still in PACE documents.

It absolutely could handle compressed audio from a mic in every room of every household with room to spare. Audio, especially when compressed, takes so little bandwidth, and is still immensely effective for surveillance.

Yes, but 4G is limited in number of clients for each base station. so, you will have to somehow aggregate them to one data stream and then transmit from dedicated mobile station. With 5G you can have a lot more mobile devices for single base station.

How will it be stored? Where will it be stored? That is an astronomical amount of data. We do not have that much storage.

That is why there was huge plans on all that multilevel SSDs and tiled HDDs along with unwinding 5G plans, that could store much more data than conventional devices. But now it seems they have problems with that tech, it is appeared to be less reliable than supposed.

The RF isn't dangerous to us.

It could have some health issues, but definitely not at the scale of all that 5G bullshit circulating around talking about. At least if you are not really concerned about danger of 2G/3G/4G, there are no reasons to be concerned specifically about 5G health ussies.