Yes, and before 5G came out, was there reliable equipment for a 5G network? Nope.
Just like with 2G/3G/4G. What's wrong? New generations was build on the infrastructure of previous generation, that make things much simplier.
Coming up with a mesh network is minor compared to that.
Centralised network and mesh network is completely different beasts. In centralised network you have distinct master and slave devices. In mesh network there are no master who controls slave devices, so a problem of collision resolution arises. And it is more complex than resolving collisions in wired networks.
It's not bad. You don't stream the audio 24/7, you record it 24/7 and transmit it in packets alongside other data. Nobody would notice.
Your variant lack a feature of real-time surveillance on selected person.
If it takes a meaningful amount of power, it would be noticed pretty readily even in electronics plugged into the wall.
It is perfectly noticeable for the shitty phone battery, but
negligible in comparison to the average power consumption of home appliances.
You talk a lot like someone who knows a little, but wants it to seem like he knows a lot.
Mesh-type networks aren't all that uncommon. And the concept does not have unavoidable problems, there just isn't as much use for the technology as you'd think.
Off the top of my head, Z-Wave is a protocol for IoT devices that can form a mesh network to extend range. Also, electric meters often form a mesh network to communicate power readings back to the electric company.
Your variant lack a feature of real-time surveillance on selected person.
Nope, when you want that real-time surveillance, you just turn it on. Simple. And, per your comments, the real purpose of this isn't "real-time surveillance," it's the backlog to find incriminating shit when someone does something.
Negligible for an appliance
Yes, the average consumer wouldn't notice it. But there are enough consumers that use kill-a-watt style devices that they would notice appliances with a relatively large parasitic draw.
bluetooth
I'm not sure why I didn't call this out before... but why would a tea kettle or dishwasher, even a "smart" one have bluetooth? This shit's wi-fi.
Mesh-type networks aren't all that uncommon. And the concept does not have unavoidable problems, there just isn't as much use for the technology as you'd think.
I tried nearly everything - Z-Wave (not really mesh, it needs a controller), ZigBee mesh mode, Netsukuku, BATMAN and others. All of them show low bandwidth and high and unstable latency. And there always was some problems when nodes just disappear from network. Interference on working frequency often just ruined everything and network does not come back on its own. Name one that works reliably, fast and repair itself without intervention.
Nope, when you want that real-time surveillance, you just turn it on
Possible, yes. But still will be noticeable by phone user.
I'm not sure why I didn't call this out before... but why would a tea kettle or dishwasher, even a "smart" one have bluetooth? This shit's wi-fi.
Saw a lot of shit with Bluetooth. WiFi shit is much worse, you need not only app on the phone, but also a connection to the some "cloud service" in internet. And phone app is connecting to that cloud that will send a command to turn on your fucking kettle. IDK, but seems that here WiFi stuff is less popular.
Yes, consumer mesh networks have some work, but there is nothing inherent about the concept that makes it a difficulty. With the resources required to develop and implement 5G, developing better local mesh networks would be a cinch.
still will be noticeable by phone user.
Not really. The reason I say this is because phones nowadays suck. It is not uncommon for a phone to enter into a memory loop or some shit and drain the battery so fast the phone gets hot to the touch. A slight increase in idle consumption for a couple days wouldn't be something someone notices. Even if it lasts for weeks. The person would just think they need a new phone or battery.
Consumers nowadays are complicit in their phones sucking. A lot of times they think it's their fault ("I downloaded too many apps") when their phone sucks at doing something it absolutely should be able to do flawlessly.
cloud service
And since so many of these devices are wi-fi based, why bother with the 5G again? If you're relying on consumers buying smart devices with bluetooth in order to have the surveillance chip, then why not just rely on them buying the far more common devices with wi-fi and having them connect to their own network? And not having to worry about rolling a whole new network to spy on people who are already willing to have smart devices in their homes?
None of it makes any sense.
With that said, derailing the conversation a bit, smart devices that require a connection to a cloud service suck. But many smart devices can be connected to the internet, but hosted entirely locally. Personally, I use Home Assistant running on a local server to integrate with all sorts of smart devices, which are all blocked from seeing the internet by my router.
With the resources required to develop and implement 5G, developing better local mesh networks would be a cinch.
Development of new generation never stops. You just need to push your demands, and that's all. 6G network is already in development and collecting proposals.
Not really. The reason I say this is because phones nowadays suck. It is not uncommon for a phone to enter into a memory loop or some shit and drain the battery so fast the phone gets hot to the touch. A slight increase in idle consumption for a couple days wouldn't be something someone notices. Even if it lasts for weeks. The person would just think they need a new phone or battery.
True. That's what will really happen. I just forget how ignorant regular smartphone user is.
And since so many of these devices are wi-fi based, why bother with the 5G again?
It depends on privider connection and user payments. Unreliable.
I use Home Assistant running on a local server to integrate with all sorts of smart devices, which are all blocked from seeing the internet by my router.
I experimented heavily with all that "IoT" stuff long before the term "IoT" popped up. DMX512 for lights and other outputs and raw RS485 for switches, sensors and other controls (should have been MODBUS, but I'm lazy).
And all that switching home things from phone is a complete shit. There is nothing better than regular physical mechanical switches and knobs, and if you want some automation there should be some mechanical drives in them. Because when you turn on the light in the room from computer, wall switch should be in on position, so when I want to turn it off i don't need to think a second or guess current state. Ergonomics. But at the time I could not find such wall switches and knobs, and I was too lasy to modify regular ones with servos and other stuff.
It is very uncomfortable to control home lights and all the stuff from the phone or some panel or whatever. And there always should be manual failover. For everything.
I want to try some gesture switches, you know, like that glowing and beeping things in SciFi movies that opens the doors, that triggered by hand waving in the front of device. Easy things. At least they could be found useful in garage and toilet/bath when your hands dirty or wet.
Just like with 2G/3G/4G. What's wrong? New generations was build on the infrastructure of previous generation, that make things much simplier.
Centralised network and mesh network is completely different beasts. In centralised network you have distinct master and slave devices. In mesh network there are no master who controls slave devices, so a problem of collision resolution arises. And it is more complex than resolving collisions in wired networks.
Your variant lack a feature of real-time surveillance on selected person.
It is perfectly noticeable for the shitty phone battery, but negligible in comparison to the average power consumption of home appliances.
You talk a lot like someone who knows a little, but wants it to seem like he knows a lot.
Mesh-type networks aren't all that uncommon. And the concept does not have unavoidable problems, there just isn't as much use for the technology as you'd think.
Off the top of my head, Z-Wave is a protocol for IoT devices that can form a mesh network to extend range. Also, electric meters often form a mesh network to communicate power readings back to the electric company.
Nope, when you want that real-time surveillance, you just turn it on. Simple. And, per your comments, the real purpose of this isn't "real-time surveillance," it's the backlog to find incriminating shit when someone does something.
Yes, the average consumer wouldn't notice it. But there are enough consumers that use kill-a-watt style devices that they would notice appliances with a relatively large parasitic draw.
I'm not sure why I didn't call this out before... but why would a tea kettle or dishwasher, even a "smart" one have bluetooth? This shit's wi-fi.
I tried nearly everything - Z-Wave (not really mesh, it needs a controller), ZigBee mesh mode, Netsukuku, BATMAN and others. All of them show low bandwidth and high and unstable latency. And there always was some problems when nodes just disappear from network. Interference on working frequency often just ruined everything and network does not come back on its own. Name one that works reliably, fast and repair itself without intervention.
Possible, yes. But still will be noticeable by phone user.
Saw a lot of shit with Bluetooth. WiFi shit is much worse, you need not only app on the phone, but also a connection to the some "cloud service" in internet. And phone app is connecting to that cloud that will send a command to turn on your fucking kettle. IDK, but seems that here WiFi stuff is less popular.
Yes, consumer mesh networks have some work, but there is nothing inherent about the concept that makes it a difficulty. With the resources required to develop and implement 5G, developing better local mesh networks would be a cinch.
Not really. The reason I say this is because phones nowadays suck. It is not uncommon for a phone to enter into a memory loop or some shit and drain the battery so fast the phone gets hot to the touch. A slight increase in idle consumption for a couple days wouldn't be something someone notices. Even if it lasts for weeks. The person would just think they need a new phone or battery.
Consumers nowadays are complicit in their phones sucking. A lot of times they think it's their fault ("I downloaded too many apps") when their phone sucks at doing something it absolutely should be able to do flawlessly.
And since so many of these devices are wi-fi based, why bother with the 5G again? If you're relying on consumers buying smart devices with bluetooth in order to have the surveillance chip, then why not just rely on them buying the far more common devices with wi-fi and having them connect to their own network? And not having to worry about rolling a whole new network to spy on people who are already willing to have smart devices in their homes?
None of it makes any sense.
With that said, derailing the conversation a bit, smart devices that require a connection to a cloud service suck. But many smart devices can be connected to the internet, but hosted entirely locally. Personally, I use Home Assistant running on a local server to integrate with all sorts of smart devices, which are all blocked from seeing the internet by my router.
Development of new generation never stops. You just need to push your demands, and that's all. 6G network is already in development and collecting proposals.
True. That's what will really happen. I just forget how ignorant regular smartphone user is.
It depends on privider connection and user payments. Unreliable.
I experimented heavily with all that "IoT" stuff long before the term "IoT" popped up. DMX512 for lights and other outputs and raw RS485 for switches, sensors and other controls (should have been MODBUS, but I'm lazy). And all that switching home things from phone is a complete shit. There is nothing better than regular physical mechanical switches and knobs, and if you want some automation there should be some mechanical drives in them. Because when you turn on the light in the room from computer, wall switch should be in on position, so when I want to turn it off i don't need to think a second or guess current state. Ergonomics. But at the time I could not find such wall switches and knobs, and I was too lasy to modify regular ones with servos and other stuff.
It is very uncomfortable to control home lights and all the stuff from the phone or some panel or whatever. And there always should be manual failover. For everything.
I want to try some gesture switches, you know, like that glowing and beeping things in SciFi movies that opens the doors, that triggered by hand waving in the front of device. Easy things. At least they could be found useful in garage and toilet/bath when your hands dirty or wet.