Institutionalization took 300 years and has many contributors

I understand. Since I will be speaking about Paul here I'm including u/Thisisnotanexit But, to me Paul or Saul of Taurus was not a real person. Or if it was could have been many individuals (assets). To me Paul is nothing more than an intelligence asset working on behalf of Roman imperial interests to neutralize the most dangerous threat the empire had ever faced, Jewish fanaticism. Something that the CIA & Mossad institution at that time would create/invent. That's what they do today 2,000 years later, think of it as the MKUltra program. What was the Roman empire then is the American (including Great Britain & Israel) empire today. Pax Romana became Pax Americana. That's why you have the Fasces symbol in the U.S. Congress. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Christianity did not spread because Jesus lived long enough to build it. It spread because Paul reinterpreted him for an empire. What most believers never examine is how theology, power, and historical context quietly reshaped Jesus's message after his death. What Jesus believed and taught is fundamentally different from what Christianity teaches us about Jesus. And that gap between the man and the myth, that distance between the teacher and the religion built in his name tells us something crucial about how power works, about how empires operate, about how ideas get transformed when they become useful to those in control. Initially it could have been someone called Saul who was born in Taurus. But, in order to understand how this works, you need to understand Roman history and politics. And you need to understand the Hebrew Bible and Jewish tradition. And in fact, at this time in history, there were individuals who possess all three sets of knowledge. They were called Hellenists in the Roman Empire. If you were a Hellenist Jew, meaning you grew up with Greek education in a Roman context, you had access to all three major knowledge systems, the Hebrew Bible, Greek philosophy, and Roman history. And someone who fits this description was Saul from Taurus.

I believe you are familiar with Acts and the feud between James the Just and Paul. So I will skip that part. But his is how the story of Paul ends. He's in Rome. He can do whatever he wants. He can preach whatever he wants and no one can touch him. So who is this man? How does he have this power? He was in Jerusalem where a mob tried to kill him. Roman soldiers rescued him. He went to Rome and he told the Jewish leaders there, don't challenge me. And they backed down. Some even converted to his version of Christianity. Who is Paul really? So let's step back and look at all the questions in the story of Paul that don't make sense if we accept the official Christian narrative. First question, who is this guy? He has tremendous power and wealth. He has direct access to Roman authority at the highest levels. This is not normal for a religious preacher. This is someone with elite connections. Reminds me of someone recently in the news, Jefferey Epstein. Who also had elite connections and no one could touch him until they couldn't suppress the truth any longer. Then Epstein vanished, I know the official story says he committed suicide.

The other thing I find fascinating about the Paul story, Paul didn't quote Jesus. You would think that if Jesus was so important to Paul that Paul would constantly quote Jesus. He would reference Jesus's teachings. He would tell stories about what Jesus said and did. But Paul rarely quotes Jesus. Jesus's teachings, Jesus's sayings, Jesus's parables. Paul doesn't use them. Why not? If you had a vision of the founder of your religion, wouldn't you want to know everything he taught? Wouldn't you study his words carefully? But Paul doesn't seem interested in what Jesus actually said. And more importantly, the message that Paul preaches is fundamentally different from what Jesus taught. Jesus believed the kingdom of God is within us. Through generosity, through mercy, through good works, we can achieve salvation. Paul teaches it's belief in Jesus that matters. Only believe. You can do as much good as you want, but if you don't believe in Jesus as a son of God who died for your sins, you'll be damned to hell. So all those Buddhists, all those Hindus, all those doists who are living compassionate lives, helping others, seek enlightenment, too bad. They're going to burn in hell forever because they don't believe the specific Christian doctrine that Paul is teaching. This goes completely against the teachings of Jesus who said, "The kingdom of God is open to everyone who does good.". Jesus never said you have to believe in me specifically. He said follow the path. Do what's right. Love your neighbor. That's enough.

Another thing that bothers me, why is Paul so focused on organization? The heart of religion should be spiritual truth, spiritual experience, direct connection with the divine. But Paul doesn't really care about that. He cares about structure. He cares about building churches. He cares about appointing bishops and deacons. He cares about establishing procedures for who's in charge and how decisions are made and how to handle internal disputes. This is not spirituality. This is institution building. This is creating a power structure. why does Paul get in trouble with the Jews? And why do the Romans always save him? In every confrontation, the pattern is the same. Jews accuse Paul. Romans protect Paul. Jews try to hurt Paul. Romans rescue Paul over and over. If Paul were just a religious teacher who happened to be be a Roman citizen, you might see this once, maybe twice, but it's a consistent pattern throughout his entire career. The Romans are always there to protect him. Always. That suggests something more than coincidence. That suggests coordination. To be fair, Christians do have an explanation. The Christian explanation is that Paul was part of God's divine plan. Jesus brought spiritual truth into the world. Jesus taught the way of salvation. But it was Paul who created the structure and organization that allowed Christianity to spread throughout the world. I'm not buying it, but nevertheless it is an explanation.

I'm going to make an analogy here with the McDonalds franchise, because I think could highlight something important. In the 1950s, McDonald's was one restaurant in California run by the McDonalds brothers. They had great hamburgers. They had a good system, but it was just one location. Then a man named Ray Kroc visited the restaurant and he saw the potential. He said to the brothers, "Let me scale this out. Let me create a franchise model. Let me convince other people to open McDonald's restaurants all across America and eventually the world.". And the brother said, "Okay.". And Ray Kroc became one of the greatest salesman in history. He drove everywhere. He held meetings. He convinced people. And because Ray Kroc was such an effective salesman, McDonald's became the largest restaurant empire in the world. The Christian narrative says it's the same with Paul. Jesus was a founder who had the true message. But Paul was a business manager who created the system that allow the message to spread. Jesus taught spiritual truth. Paul built an organization that could spread that truth to millions of people across the entire Roman Empire and eventually across the entire world. But here's a problem with this analogy. Jesus was not selling hamburgers. In fact, Jesus hated hamburgers. Metaphorically speaking, the central message of Jesus is that wealth is wrong, business is wrong, hierarchy is wrong, organization and power structures are corruptions of spiritual truth. What matters is a direct experience of the divine spark in your own heart. Jesus explicitly rejected the idea that you need intermediaries, you don't need priests, you don't need institutions, you don't need buildings, the kingdom of God is within you, it's accessible directly. So even though the Christian explanation is that Paul was Jesus's business manager, the problem is Jesus didn't want a business manager. Jesus believed that institutionalizing spirituality destroys it. Each person has to discover truth for themselves to their own inner journey.

I don't see anything wrong with your account

I don't think it's the platform. I believe the issue is at my end. Anyway not much I can do about this for now, so I just have to live with it.

So if reincarnation was a trap, the best remedy would be right living today

I agree "right living" is absolutely the way to go. I don't find that to be much of a challenge for me... not any longer. The first advice I would give anyone is stop lying. Don’t even tell white lies.

If the Pharisees had the (knowledge) key to escape and hid it, its evidence would still be present in their system somewhere, wouldn't it?

Possibly, but not in plain sight. And access to the Vatican Library is limited to accredited researchers. And US has something called Sensitive compartmented information (SCI). SCI is not a classification, it is high-level clearance.

Now, you're proposing a narrative where a later legalist church has learned tools of control from the Roman empire

IMO, the church didn't learn from the Roman empire, the church was built as an institution to serve the empire. This was one of Paul's "innovations". Paul was focused on organization and structure. Jesus and his followers were very egalitarian. They didn't believe in hierarchy and shared everything in common. They lived simply. They didn't build institutions. But Paul insists that you need hierarchy and organization and structure to spread the message effectively. You need bishops and deacons and churches and formal procedures. So he's building churches all around the Roman Empire. He's creating an organizational structure. He's establishing protocols. This is not spiritual teaching. This is institution building.

It's not literal anywhere that "approaching light" automatically equals "flesh trap"

Going back to NDEs and if you read carefully their stories, the first thing you see is a light, radiant, irresistible. It draws you closer. Loved ones appear smiling, calling your name. A warmth fills you, and for a moment, you are certain this is heaven, this is home. But this may not be a light, for not all that shines is light. IMO, it is very possible this tunnel of light is a structure, a construction, a luminous snare woven by the archons to recycle you back into the cycle of death and rebirth. The comforting voices may not be your ancestors at all, but projections, illusions crafted to keep you from questioning where you truly are. The Hypostasis of the Archons talks of rulers who bind humanity in forgetfulness. The Apocryphon of John describes how the Demiurge fashioned the soul's prison, surrounding it with layers of deception. The Pistis Sophia, hints at the perilous journey of the soul through realms of judgement and false lights. So, yeah I think it's literal.

So, why does the light appear so irresistible? Why do souls return so willingly? perhaps it's the genius of the illusion. It appeals to your deepest longing, the longing to be safe, to be loved, to belong and be reunited with source. What better bait than the faces of those you cherished in life? What stronger tether than the promise of reunion? So, maybe the first part of the illusion is seduction, the dazzling light, the false reunion, then the second part is entanglement. There is a parallel with what we can observe the TPTB and their actions in our world today. The archons are forces who question, judge and weigh the soul, not to guide it toward liberation, but to bind it more tightly to the cycle of matter. Have you ever heard the sentence "life review"? NSDs describe being shown their deeds, feeling their emotions replayed, and being told that they must learn more lessons. But who is conducting this review? the archons, who are the judges, which is something that is hidden. The Gnostics would say this judgement does not come from the true source, but from the counterfeit rulers of this world. Judgement, even when it feels like it comes from the soul itself, is still part of the illusion. By convincing the soul that it has failed, that it must return to correct its mistakes, the archons ensure the cycle of reincarnation never ends. This makes sense to me, that's exactly what I would do if I was a parasite, an archon. I would want to make sure the supply of energy never ends. I think in the movie Matrix machines use humans as batteries not because humans make a good power source, but because doing this allows the machines to avoid committing genocide, as would otherwise be required by their laws.

it appears the path you recommend is to Know certain rules in the hope of remembering them in a postdeath confrontation, which would imply that one's duty in this life is to constantly study postdeath rules

This is not exactly correct. But, I will elaborate on this later, in a different message.

When you're speaking of the character you call demiurge, could you please stick to names I agree apply to that character (such as Samael or satan or Saklas), since it doesn't matter to you what you call him but it does matter to me

The demiurge (Greek demiurgos) is the being who created the world in Gnosticism. So, when referring to Gnostics manuscripts & texts it's very hard to replace Demiurge with something else. I'll try using Satan wherever makes sense. Outside of the Gnostics texts I have no issue using a different name. How about Lucifer, the god worshipped by Freemasons? that according to many high level Freemasons themselves. “That which we must say to a crowd is – We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees – The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God" - Albert Pike 33° Freemason, Morals and Dogma page 321

I didn't block you. But, seems to me you are looking for someone to argue with. I'm not that person.

there is zero evidence God inspired the extraBiblical book

Listen guywholikesDjtof2024 I don't want to block you, but I feel like responding to your messages is a waste of my time. Sorry to say this, but this is how I feel.

We have believed Jesus and Paul ever since the New Testament was written

Do you know when the New Testament was written? and I don't mean the Koine Greek, I'm talking about the original manuscripts.

I don't get why people try to claim that reality is false

Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished and he will rule over all.". This is Plato's allegory of the cave. If you don't know it, go ahead and do a search... it's a wonderful story told by Plato. The prisoner who escapes the cave and sees the real world with sunlight? At first, it's painful. It's confusing. The light blinds him. But if he persists, eventually he sees the truth. And then he returns to the cave with knowledge and wisdom that the other prisoners don't have. So the spiritual path is painful. It involves confusion and struggle. But if you persist, you will see reality as it truly is.

Do you want to know how you will be saved? pay attention to what Jesus said: "If you bring it into being within you, (then) that which you have will save you. If you do not have it within you, (then) that which you do not have within you [will] kill you." - Gospel of Thomas (70)

Unusual to get more attention with the alt and then return under the older account

I would have continued with the alt, but I couldn't reply any longer. I tried DM, same thing... I couldn't submit any longer. Not surprising, I have been censored, blocked, banned, downvoted on every platform I have been on. And I don't recall once having said anything hateful, to incite violence, or insulting to anyone. It doesn't matter to me, I have already accepted the world I chose to live in. But they have no power over me, I'm sovereign.

we can proceed in any way you like

I think there is something we both are interested in. If the afterlife is a trap, then what happens to you when you die? And more importantly, how do you escape it?

I think if we can answer this, we would also know why we choose to be were born in the first place. I say choose, because I believe there is freedom of choice here. Last time I said it's complex, and it is. It has to be complex, because if too many souls remembered it, the prison itself would begin to crumble. By reading some of the manuscripts found at Nag Hammadi I found interesting how the Gnostics understood death, not as a doorway to freedom, but as the moment when the soul could be captured and recycled. This is the very mechanism of the trap and the hidden signs that reveal when you're being lured back into it. I'm reading testimonies of people who had near death experiences, similar to the ones who took psychedelics. They all talk about a bright light they see. Most will keep walking toward the light, unaware of who built it or why. But I question everything, in this life and I believe when I die. Perhaps the prison of the Demiurge is not confined to this world at all, but stretches even beyond death itself. A hall of mirrors tricking your soul into returning again and again, replaying life after life. What if death is not the end, not the beginning, but the greatest illusion of all? maybe these are the keys to escape the prison that has bound humanity since the very beginning. Long before our modern religions took shape, the ancient world was alive with whispers of hidden realms, rival gods, and secret knowledge, and among them, perhaps the Gnostics provided a warning unlike any other. Jesus said "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.". I often thought about the meaning of this teaching. Now, I think I finally understood. A hall of mirrors tricking our soul into returning again and again, replaying life after life. What if death is not the end, not the beginning, but the greatest illusion of all?

In nearly every religion of the ancient world, whether the pagan cults of Rome or the rising Christian Church, death was portrayed as a passage into divine reward or punishment. But the Gnostics dared to say something far more unsettling, that death itself could be the snare. Other traditions carried echoes of this. In the Tibetan Book of the Dead, known as the Bardo Thodol and also known as the Chai Bardo, the soul is warned of dazzling lights and illusions that appear after death, designed to lure it back into rebirth Even the early Christian thinker, Origen, also known as Origen Adamantius, entertained the idea of pre-existence and cycles of embodiment, teachings later condemned as heresy. But why such eagerness to erase these teachings? Because fear of death is the strongest chain of all, and once a soul breaks it, it slips beyond control. A soul convinced it must return again and again to learn lessons is a soul unlikely to rebel. But a soul that remembers that it was never meant to be trapped, that it belongs to eternity, becomes dangerous. Dangerous not only to the rulers of this world, but to the Demiurge itself. I think the Gnostics understood this, that's why they saw themselves as exiles.

I have written a lot on this subject and it's getting late. It's a lot more to explore here, including the final test with the Demiurge itself. I'm just curious if you have any questions.

You implied that John and Jesus contradicted each other,

I think you're using the wrong word here "contradict". It's not what I'm saying. Jesus went way beyond the level of his teacher. He understood, and has been revealed to him, what John the Baptist didn't know.

I see. Are you and SR part of the same team?

Then you would know your conflict theory isn't correct.

You're making no sense. Do you just want to waste time?

Swamprangers

I can't find the context of this. Can you please elaborate.

Do you say things like your comment to everyone you meet?

I don't think so. But, it's possible I said "I don't think it's something you're willing to hear" before. So what?

What does SR stand for?

I'm pinging u/jamesbillison

Don't bother... that is my alt.

Read Revelation.

I have many times and also I have looked at different translations. Even the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament original before being translated into Greek.

Problems like?

You don't believe anything I say. What purpose would serve for me to detail the problems with this story? But, I do admit it's a nice story.

I read the last line

I'm not exactly sure what made you change your mind, but I agree with your statement: "religious people have stupid fights over the most irrelevant shit". However I'm not a religious person. And I don't really want to fight with anyone, and also I don't judge anybody.

It's good to be baptized too for 'more hertz'.

Really? let me tell you a story about baptism. But, I don't think you will agree with the ending. You know that Jesus had a teacher, his teacher was John the Baptist. And John the Baptist was what we call an apocalyptic preacher, meaning he preached about the end times, about the apocalypse, about the day when God would return to earth and establish his kingdom. Pretty much as many Christian groups preach today. John's message was essentially this. I will reveal the future to you. And the future is that God is coming and God will destroy the evil people in the world. So right now is your opportunity to redeem yourself from your sins, to start a new life, to repent and be baptized because God is coming and we must prepare for the return of God. That was John the Baptist's message and Jesus was one of his students, one of his disciples.

But, shortly after the baptism of Jesus, this is when things started to go awfully wrong with John's movement. So, his student stopped believing in his teachings and broke away. This student, Jesus started to create his own following, which suggests that Jesus was preaching a message that was different from John the Baptist. He wasn't repeating what his teacher said. He was developing his own interpretation, his own vision, his own understanding of what was coming and what people needed to do to prepare. His message was different and people paid attention to it. And we know this from historical and archaeological findings. It is one of the things we found confirming the historical Jesus.

Jg5 is the owner of c/synagogueofsatan

So what? why do I care about that. I don't judge anyone, JG5 included.

All because adam and eve broke the ONE AND ONLY rule they had

Are you saying this with a straight face? the misery, suffering, pain we/Humanity have had to endure for thousands of years, and something we can see, hear, feel and experience ourselves today... all these because a couple took a bite of an apple (or whatever fruit you want) thousands of years ago?

I do know what Christians believe. We try to become like God by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge, back in the Garden of Eden. And ever since, God has been angry with us. We are stained by original sin and we cannot redeem ourselves no matter what we do. So Jesus being the son of God decides he must come to planet Earth and take a human form and sacrifice himself as a scapegoat in order to redeem us in the eyes of God. That's the plan. God sends his son to earth to die so that humanity can be forgiven.

This is the official story that you see in the Bible. And this is what most Christians believe. But there are enormous problems with this story. Problems that most people never think about because they've been taught to accept it on faith. However, I don't think it's something you're willing to hear.

OK. Makes sense. SwampRangers mentioned to me "she just really likes Paul". She claims to be "a follower of the Way of Jesus Christ". That's fine with me. A lot of Christians have similar beliefs. But, if I were to agree with TINAE we would both be wrong.

IMO, Paul or Saul of Taurus was not a real person. And even if it was, a marginal character at best. To me Paul is nothing more than an intelligence asset working on behalf of Roman imperial interests to neutralize the most dangerous threat the empire had ever faced, Jewish fanaticism. Something that the CIA & Mossad institution at that time would make up/create. That's what they do today, psyops... and I'm certain nothing changed in 2,000 years.

Paul is saying forget all that Jesus taught, just believe this specific claim that Jesus is the son of God who died for your sins and you're saved. To me this is transactional. It's about belief, not about inner transformation. If Jesus's followers after his death believe this, slam dunk, the empire has won. And the jews would be happy, after all they didn't consider Jesus the Messiah. And after reading "By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky, that's exactly what I would do if I wanted to take over the movement. And neutralize the revolution. Invent a Paul who would teach exactly as he did. Good works don't matter. What matters is belief. Faith in Jesus as savior. If you believe, then you are saved. If you don't believe, then you are damned. No matter how good a person you are.

I was just recently exposed to the same list of markers

Amazing, as I was writing about the three non-negotiable signatures or markers, I knew you were going to say this.

I understood that you wanted this human life to be the "last" as if this life continues forever

I can understand why you are a bit confused. Let me attempt to bring some clarity, thou it is a very complex issue. IMO, our souls live forever, in the universe death doesn't exist because after you die your soul goes up to the astral plane to the divine, the Pleroma. Which is where it came from in the first place. So you your soul can never die. All you have to do is recognize that you are the divine spark. And as we imagine, we participate in the universe, we change the universe. And we focus on a certain reality, that reality becomes manifest. It becomes reality itself. And by living in the memories of others, we become immortal like Jesus. And by constructing our lives in a way that allows for Jesus to return, we can resurrect Jesus in ourselves. I hope this makes sense. This is a secret, the secret of the universe. The secret to immortality, reincarnation, and godhood. The secret that religions have passed on through thousands of years of human history and which schools, science, government, all the powers that be (TPTB) try to suppress because is a direct threat to this reality.

But, like I said before this reality is false. TPTB want to make it real because they derive power from this reality. Everything that we've been taught in school, everything that we've learned in science class, it is complete and utter nonsense. This is what's true. You must abandon this material reality that is false. Abandon money, power, sex, fame and focus on connecting to the spark inside of you. And when you do that, the universe comes into you. Christians want to be possessed by Jesus. They want Jesus to enter them and resurrect Jesus, create the Christ consciousness in them. In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus says, "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.". It's a simple but revolutionary statement. What Jesus proposes here is not salvation through blind faith but through inner understanding. Immortality according to him is not in the body but in the awareness that recognizes its divine origin. In another passage he says the kingdom of God is not in the sky nor in the sea. The kingdom is within you and outside of you. When you come to know yourselves you will be known and you will understand that you are the children of the living God. This teaching is deeply philosophical and very different from later Christianity.

That would imply you have some plans about death

I do. But, this is a deep rabbit hole. I probably should create a separate reply just for this. IMO, what we've been told about death isn't the full truth. Behind all the comforting stories of the afterlife, I believe lies a truth far more profound than anything we've been led to believe. Again not by accident, but by design. I don't believe death frees you, but instead recycles you. Most people, not only Christians, believe when they die they are walking into freedom, when in reality, they may be stepping into the oldest trap in the universe. If you are to believe what I just said, if the afterlife is a trap, then what happens to you when you die? And more importantly, how do you escape it? this is the question many are asking. And this is not something you find out in the Sunday church, and it's not the love and light story of the New Age movement. This is the knowledge that was suppressed, buried, and branded as heresy for a very long time. So much to say here, looks like it's best I create a separate reply and send it later.

Do not expect them to listen or bend in any way

I have no expectation. What does TINAE stand for?

defeat the matrix and the rules of reincarnation

OK. I could give you an answer to this question, but I'm not sure you will understand. If you believe Jesus's death was the substitution/sacrifice for our sins, and salvation is by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone, as the Church teaches... then you will have a hard time grasping what I'm about to say.

I believe Jesus was the prototype for a special mission. He wasn't a sacrifice to an angry god, Yahweh. He was a messenger sent into hostile territory to plant a virus of truth into the matrix code. And some of us are the sleeper cells he left behind. If I haven't lost you by now then it's a miracle: "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.".

So how do you distinguish between a mental fantasy and a genuine spiritual mandate? How do you know if you are truly a volunteer or just someone with a vivid imagination? The Monad provides hints. If you are truly called, you will possess these three non-negotiable signatures:

• the glass wall: you have felt a distinct separation from the rest of the world your entire life. It wasn't just shyness. It was a cognitive distance. You look at other people, even your own biological family, and you think, "I am not like them. I am observing them.". You have spent your life studying human behavior.
• matrix lag (synchronicity). The lag time between your internal thought and external reality is collapsing. You think of a specific concept and a stranger says that exact word seconds later. You have a question in your mind and the radio answers it literally. This isn't coincidence. It is rendering speed. Your frequency is rising so high that the matrix is struggling to buffer your reality. You know before it happens.
• Gnosis (Greeks called it gnosis for “knowledge” or “insight”). This is observed through direct experience. Your body is a lie detector. When you hear undeniable truth, your biology reacts before your brain does. You get truth chills. That sudden rush of electricity down your spine or a sudden heat in your chest. An unexplained urge to weep from the sheer relief of recognition. It's like your soul's encryption key matching the signal. Your mind might have doubts, but deep inside of you there is the knowledge.

However, the moment you accept the mission and begin to raise your frequency, the matrix will notice. The simulation is designed to keep energy low, stable, and predictable. A state of homeostasis. When the spark inside of you starts to glow the system treats you like a virus, a foreign object that threatens the stability of the illusion. I'll call this the matrix immune response for a lack of a better term. The system will try to drag you back down. It might be subtle, a sudden wave of unexplained fatigue hits you. Or it might be more direct, Agent Smith logic. Then you know you are awake.

Do you want to live forever this time, or cease to exist? Why or why not?

Neither. It's all about raising your frequency level. That's what I want.