Reincarnation was a common belief at the time. The story in the bible where it is stated to Jesus : "Some say you're Elisha..." shows the common belief in literal transferal of souls. However, even then, there existed another concept to explain by using the name Elisha. The first up-braider of the church was Elijah to be repeated another generation by Elisha. The name signals....sig-nifies the very concept of 'correction of error' in the concept of godhood. One who knows the significance of the letters can 'spell it out' and see it plainly. God's principles are ingrained in number and letter and names were 'cast' to reflect. Let he who has ears, hear.
The Essenic fathers were killed after Ecumenical councils for saying that the Roman orthodox religion taking form as the official religion of Rome was putting the Demiurge (a 'lessor' consciously aware creator god) in the place of the one true god representing eternal concepts. (God's name has changed continually according to changing concepts and cultures).
Eternal Concepts are Principles, the source of all thought. Not to be known as entities in physical terms, as this would be anthropromorphism, an error.
Finally Saving Israel for last by 'coming to terms' with past lies.
You ignore the answer by asking the question. This is the exact point to Pilot washing his hands and asking 'What is Truth?' The story has pilot asking the Nazirite (gnostic )the moot question. This story shows how the 'orthodox' has no answers, only questions, and doesn't really believe such things exist.
It would take a lifetime to answer those question and then the knowledge isn't transferable is it? A person would have to do the hard work in many subjects which I've done both academically and independently.
You refused to actually visit the material presented and instead attempt to narrate by ignorance. Now you deflect by asking 'What is Truth'? as you wash your hands of 'gnosis'.
I'd rather not give an account from 'my' worldview, that's the problem with the world to begin with. There are knowers and there are believers who the gnostics called 'seekers after smooth things.' Prove them wrong.
Gnosis is 'hidden' in plain sight. It is only hidden from the one who refuses to look and see. Gnosis is doctrine when made into a religion. This explains the varied forms of gnosis. Cultural differences will always manifest and distort.
'If you start from a faulty worldview..."
Correct. So all should get to correcting the lies given by study of the original truths that were twisted.
"If someone argues that Christianity is sun worship''.....they'd get into a strawman argument as is usually the case with literalist interpretation.
One can't debate without knowing the opposite viewpoint and can't judge what is unknown. One knows. Another believes.
As for all answers to all questions: There is only One that can be known. MANY are believed.
If one can't work difficult calculus equations, then it doesn't exist as concept, right? And is useless. Whatever it might be that's being discussed. I can't think it, or refuse to look, so it doesn't exist and work can't be done by it, right? Accuracy and clarity, aka understanding being the goal, with knowledge of how to get there.
If its metaphysics you need, then study The Tao of Physics that show a connection to theology. You'll be disappointed that it doesn't match your current take, so I wouldn't bother - If I were you.
You project your own weakness. The links I provided detail the metaphysics as well as their SOURCE. You provide dogma and your words are a tangled mess lacking any substance. You didn't read, think and learn, but judge anyway, and that is what caused the gnostic to call the willfully ignorant 'The Profane' and 'seekers after smooth things'. Put on the big boy pants and do the work.
I don't possess an interpretation. Why ask for my verification of my interpretation anyway? It isn't about me. So how does "I took a look" verify that gnosis is '..a..mess..'? That's your interpretation...but of what?
Interpretation insinuates that you 'know' what an original statement says, and you fail that. You waste the time of, and insult anyone who has done the work. You couldn't defeat whats-his-name in verbal battle, as opposed to discussion, so you call him out, hoping for a rescue from the posse.
There is already another attempt by the cabal to create yet another misguided 'crusade' as distraction from the great awakening. (See Hollywood stars suddenly gaining 'religion') That awakening includes the understanding of who the Babylonian Brotherhood was and is, how they came to the seats of power...(those you trust the most) .and how they are finally to be taken out. But that's only the beginning. Eliminating the Liars and their lies.
One truth....many beliefs.
There is indeed a rule here about banning people who post 'callouts' rather than deal with the issue yourself. You failed to do the work, you don't fool anyone but yourself with that. You should know that the Q team, our literal material savior is largely gnostic as the identifying by the letter Q and number 17 as Divine Inspiration proves. You see, this is a Taking Back of that which was stolen and corrupted. Seeing the eternal with new eyes. The recruitment to Q Team required knowledge of the occult and its organizations ( ie: those who run the churches from the top) in order to know the enemy and his methods. The enemy's method is to take a grain of truth (gnosis) and twist the Hell out of it. Each book of the old testament is testament to this occurring again and again. How to escape. I point at the sun and you look at my finger. I pointed to Things to gno but you ignored. What is one who ignores? Do the work.
You make my point exactly. It HAS been tampered with. By whom and how? Thats YOUR job to find out now that you've been redpilled. But you can't because you 'took a look' and it's 'a total mess'.
Meaning you are a fool. I'm finished here. Go back to Sunday School and have a good day.
Gnosis as a subject is fairly extensive. One might start by researching the community of Qumram, though it exists as principles, it is variously practiced and understood culturally and historically. There are several excellent books on the subject. The 'debate' between gnostic, agnostic and 'the followers of the Lie' was won by murder and deception to create an all-encompassing Roman (catholic means 'universal') religion. The study of gnosis should include spelling and counting as its principles founded both alphabets and numeral systems. The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Page is a good source for background and history.
For a clue as to how far back and how deep the understanding goes, take a hard look at this link's information as 'proof'.
Remember that this information, like all deep subjects, is not for the pretender or faint-hearted researcher. It can and has been misused, which is exactly the case with the cabal who controls by their twisted use of the secrets it contains. This is 'two on a high place' with one ruling by it, and another finding the chrism/christ by it. Leave the 99 to find the One. Deep dive finds the pearl.
Then you're agreeing you were guessing and your take was subjective. You might be concerned about incorrect projection also until he does state clearly, or you could take another tactic and research the extensive body of work surrounding the history and theology known as gnosticism. The word gnosis means 'to know' as opposed to to believe which is certainly more subjective. There are many beliefs, there is one gnosis which serves as the 'high place'. Two stand there, one rules over the lower plane of beliefs, leading 'the 99' as false authority by use of this knowledge. The other 'leaves the 99 to find the One, true source (father) and acts in accord....perfect sympathetic vibration with the father...aka 'The Ogdoad'. These were the actual 'church fathers' who were brought to Councils of Rome, murdered, and then co-opted into a corporate state religion that eventually broke into three religions and multitudes of sects due to the resulting con-fusion. With 17.....Q....(see Qumram)....Divine Inspiration.....this is a movement to Take Things Back from those who have profaned the spirit behind his name. This belongs to all who find and know it and one becomes an Elisha/Elijah in upbraiding all materialist/literal error that stands in its stead.
Black magicians pose as gnostics. They are the one who rule orthodox churches at the top. Only a twist of truth can bring a powerful lie and the wolf poses as the shephard not the sheep. Getting this part right IS "Saving Israel for Last' as it saves the future from continuing the same mistake. Take God back by knowing him. Leave belief to the 99. The end will not be for everyone.
It does, doesn't it. But it isn't one. Did that solve anything?
The word 'imply', implies that there is a deeper connection left unsaid. That's the shortcoming of words.
Word implies verb. Verb implies word. Welcome to dualism as explanation.
There were no words before mouths to express, yet it is said that in the beginning was The Word. Logos as the spirit from which all words as lesser formulai....sephira...are formulated. This breaks its truth into parts to re-member. All would do well to learn how to count and spell, as this was never taught in schools. Learning this would eliminate the guesswork and error.
The word 'word' isn't a verb. Dis-tinction is needed to de-fine the point. Like the word 'life'. If you see life as inception towards death, death is your goal. All movement can be seen as 'movement towards non-movement' in that regard, which is non-sense. Movement isn't a thing, it's a condition or state of a thing. Death would be lack of the condition of life by the same regard. Spirit is reduced when formulated into a letter and then words. Are you aware of how this was done to exhibit the gematria within all alphabets?
This should become your new point of reference when de-coding words. . You're un-needed to this anon. You do, however, serve a purpose, so as usual, I will not downvote the 'wordy' explanations as they most are always half and materially accurate but dualisticly contrarian in nature, leading to more questions, as there are no 'definitive' answers due to their dualistic nature on the material plane.
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They said to Jesus: 'Some say you're Elisha'.......showing the common belief in reincarnation. The subject was NOT 'resurrection' which would have been ridiculed as it was later when introduced by hyper-dispensational writings.
It was the introduction of the writings of the new testament of Rome that established 'resurrection' as a new form of reincarnation. You conflate the two, but that's the result of the Roman hyper-dispensation to co-opt and replace the former beliefs of 'the profane'. The gnostic however, understood the difference, as the hero is made to state that he existed as in eternal state before he was born, or even before Abraham. These words all have meaning. A to B is 'all things. Ra is the emanation of life, and ham is protection. God is the protector of the life of all things. But before this.......was 'The Word'.....the meaning precedes the thing that it 'carnates' into. If it comes back, it re-incarnates.
By the definition of resurrection, one who comes back on an operating table after heart stoppage qualifies as resurrection, or the widow of Zarephath’s son, or The Shunammite woman’s son (2 Kings 4:18–37), or The widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:11–17). Or airus’ daughter (Luke 8:40–56). Lazarus of Bethany (John 11). Or Eutychus (Acts 20:7–12). Various saints in Jerusalem (Matthew 27:50–53). Tabitha (Acts 9:36–43). T
As luck would have it, there is a huge tell in the story of the raising of the man raised out of Elisha’s grave (2 Kings 13:20–21). Elisha is connected with another miracle that occurred after his death. Sometime after Elisha had died and was buried, some men were burying another body in the same area. The grave diggers saw a band of Moabite raiders approaching, and, rather than risk an encounter with the Moabites, they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s grave. Scripture records that, “when the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet” (verse 21).
It's too bad Elisha didn't stand up to tell him he was confusing reincarnation with resurrection. So Elijah was 'reincarnated' as Elisha and some were wondering if 'that same spirit' was present in the Christ.That spirit of correction of the errors of the would-be church IS the meaning of the word Elisha. Is the spirit of Elisha. My own name breaks down to this same 'namenumber' in gematria and I take up the challenge as should all who would know the 'secrets' that have been hidden. As long as these secrets stay 'hidden (occult), the corrupt church will rule by it.
What is/was the CHRISM that existed as a word before the character known as 'Jesus Christ' which takes it's name and stead? It isn't a term that originated in the middle east or Arabic lands. It has been 'resurrected' improperly by Rome.