I suspect that if you asked them politely what they meant to say, they would tell you that they didn't say the things you think you heard, and the communication might work toward clearing up.
If I were in your situation, and I thought someone had said something hellish to me, I would be very careful to be sure I heard, remembered (had a link or record), and understood completely what was meant, and to be sure I had asked about whether something else could be intended. I've sought to read all the conversations you're talking about and I'm pretty confident there was no implication about actively sending you to hell or about not seeing you as belonging to God.
I do know that it's been said that people who sin continuously are at risk, and that they've suggested that you've sinned a couple times. I hope this is an appropriate place for me to give that impression, knowing that when we talk about people saying that you might have sinned it's a sensitive issue for you. But they've said that, and perhaps there was miscommunication between what was said and what was unsaid. And as you point out, polite questioning often resolves issues and heals past wounds.
I don't think I, or they, esteem ourselves highly. Catholics don't esteem themselves saints, for instance; they reserve that name for those for whom there's evidence of sainthood after death. I think that in this conversation you're dealing with people who care about you but who don't want to be emotionally exposed to criticism that isn't intended to bring about healing. You're not dealing with people who have collectivism or hatred, you're dealing with people who have concerns (like you do) and who have challenges with understanding the behavior of others (like you do). By my putting them in the same category as you, I'm demonstrating that there are not favorites. If you, or I, or they, were to judge another person, I'd treat it the same no matter who it's from, and I'd push back if there's no evidence and hear the concern if there is evidence.
I hope that answers. You hint I might be momentarily judging without caring, and I don't intend to be, so if you can point out how I'm doing so then I can correct that. If we have the air clear between us, it looks like you would like some understanding about and concession about the past conversations you're alluding to. In my silly binary view, I'd think that either you want it healed or you want the right to keep bringing up a wound indefinitely; and in either case when it's clear what you want then it's easy to proceed forward. So let me know what I can do, and what else can be done, to help the situation.
If I thought some 1 had said something hellish to me, I would be very careful to be sure I heard, remembered (had a link or record), & understood completely what was meant, & be sure I asked about whether something else could be intended. --- I've sought to read all the conversations... and I'm pretty confident there was no implication about actively sending you to hell, or about not seeing you as belonging to God.
Nope, (after being shocked by their PRIDE-ful (looking down their nose Attitude of me, when I did ask them, they only used every chance... to repeat their 'I am SO righteous & Saved & justified & sanctified & perfect... ATTITUDE. Neither of those 2, & others of your "favorites" group are the least interested in relating from any Humility... whatsoever . So, after
I bent over backwards trying to "please" them, by Apologizing trying to make them "satisfied" (which clearly is IMPOSSIBLE with such LCD of humanity).
Deleting... even countless GOOD posts of mine for the above same reason = when NEVER once did they Reciprocate BECAUSE of their continual --> I am SO righteous & Saved & justified & sanctified & perfect <-- ATTITUDE & position. And
incredibly, you SR encouraged & rewarded & supported them in all their sins = as the recent atheist, & u/DMKultra & my OFF-line friends told me repeatedly in various ways : "Face it, none of them are your friends. Not only do Not care about you, they also have great fun... continually abusing you by any means at their disposal, particularly since toxic SR started it"
You people were given not only 1, not only 2, not only 3, over 4 ! YEARS to get your act together, & even --> Approximate inter-relating like true Christians <-- as God/Jesus "called" you people to do HIS 🕊️ Holy ❤️ Will.... no matter how delightfully different... some 1 else is : to Love 💕 them as God loved you", but your Favorites never showed any intentions of obeying Jesus... bc
Online CARNAL Abuse was their continual interest, as your buddy-buddy Ciamm told me this week "FOAD !", & u/Slechta5614 just loves, luvs, eternally... loves all such people in your combined evils.
Evidently the only thing left to say at this point is : "That ship (of crediting you people as being even remotely interested in living💕 ... what Jesus tells you), has sailed".
I know you asked them before. I do recall both of them admitting that they make mistakes and seeking to apologize when they were persuaded that they had. If a person isn't persuaded they've made a mistake, even though they submit their hearts to God constantly and don't find anything, then it's possible that asking them again with more specifics would help.
Right now you're stating these aren't the least interested in relating from humility; but how do you know that something that happened long ago is the constant state? I recall you modifying your views about people back and forth because people's states change. If it were true that such a person "couldn't" possibly change, then why would you continue talking about the possibility instead of just ignoring them and treating them as an impossible case, and protecting yourself from criticism by not ever bringing up their impossibility?
I recall them deleting content; I certainly deleted their content too. I always offer, if there's something else you want deleted, let me know. If everything that needs to have been deleted has been deleted, then there's nothing to bring up. If you think it's out there but the damage is done and unfixable, then you either decide what it would take to heal, or you conclude it'll never be fixed and you've been damaged forever (which, BTW, people don't generally accept because there's no value in being a perpetual victim).
Yes, u/SicSemperTyrannis2 used a profanity with you and I deleted it. Do you want to keep repeating his profanity many more times than he said it? Do you need something else done before you can forgive him, or do you purpose never to forgive him?
Are you able to answer my questions? Because if you wish to be a person who has a right to complain about others forever but others don't have a right to complain about you forever, that wouldn't be the golden rule, would it? I don't think that's who you want to be, I just don't see you doing anything different from setting aside a time to complain about others about once a month with very little letup. As I said at first, I'd like to do whatever can be done to assist you with resolving the complaints so that this cycle doesn't continue.
I suspect that if you asked them politely what they meant to say, they would tell you that they didn't say the things you think you heard, and the communication might work toward clearing up.
If I were in your situation, and I thought someone had said something hellish to me, I would be very careful to be sure I heard, remembered (had a link or record), and understood completely what was meant, and to be sure I had asked about whether something else could be intended. I've sought to read all the conversations you're talking about and I'm pretty confident there was no implication about actively sending you to hell or about not seeing you as belonging to God.
I do know that it's been said that people who sin continuously are at risk, and that they've suggested that you've sinned a couple times. I hope this is an appropriate place for me to give that impression, knowing that when we talk about people saying that you might have sinned it's a sensitive issue for you. But they've said that, and perhaps there was miscommunication between what was said and what was unsaid. And as you point out, polite questioning often resolves issues and heals past wounds.
I don't think I, or they, esteem ourselves highly. Catholics don't esteem themselves saints, for instance; they reserve that name for those for whom there's evidence of sainthood after death. I think that in this conversation you're dealing with people who care about you but who don't want to be emotionally exposed to criticism that isn't intended to bring about healing. You're not dealing with people who have collectivism or hatred, you're dealing with people who have concerns (like you do) and who have challenges with understanding the behavior of others (like you do). By my putting them in the same category as you, I'm demonstrating that there are not favorites. If you, or I, or they, were to judge another person, I'd treat it the same no matter who it's from, and I'd push back if there's no evidence and hear the concern if there is evidence.
I hope that answers. You hint I might be momentarily judging without caring, and I don't intend to be, so if you can point out how I'm doing so then I can correct that. If we have the air clear between us, it looks like you would like some understanding about and concession about the past conversations you're alluding to. In my silly binary view, I'd think that either you want it healed or you want the right to keep bringing up a wound indefinitely; and in either case when it's clear what you want then it's easy to proceed forward. So let me know what I can do, and what else can be done, to help the situation.
Nope, (after being shocked by their PRIDE-ful (looking down their nose Attitude of me, when I did ask them, they only used every chance... to repeat their 'I am SO righteous & Saved & justified & sanctified & perfect... ATTITUDE. Neither of those 2, & others of your "favorites" group are the least interested in relating from any Humility... whatsoever . So, after
I bent over backwards trying to "please" them, by Apologizing trying to make them "satisfied" (which clearly is IMPOSSIBLE with such LCD of humanity).
Deleting... even countless GOOD posts of mine for the above same reason = when NEVER once did they Reciprocate BECAUSE of their continual --> I am SO righteous & Saved & justified & sanctified & perfect <-- ATTITUDE & position. And
incredibly, you SR encouraged & rewarded & supported them in all their sins = as the recent atheist, & u/DMKultra & my OFF-line friends told me repeatedly in various ways : "Face it, none of them are your friends. Not only do Not care about you, they also have great fun... continually abusing you by any means at their disposal, particularly since toxic SR started it"
You people were given not only 1, not only 2, not only 3, over 4 ! YEARS to get your act together, & even --> Approximate inter-relating like true Christians <-- as God/Jesus "called" you people to do HIS 🕊️ Holy ❤️ Will.... no matter how delightfully different... some 1 else is : to Love 💕 them as God loved you", but your Favorites never showed any intentions of obeying Jesus... bc
Online CARNAL Abuse was their continual interest, as your buddy-buddy Ciamm told me this week "FOAD !", & u/Slechta5614 just loves, luvs, eternally... loves all such people in your combined evils.
Evidently the only thing left to say at this point is : "That ship (of crediting you people as being even remotely interested in living💕 ... what Jesus tells you), has sailed".
I know you asked them before. I do recall both of them admitting that they make mistakes and seeking to apologize when they were persuaded that they had. If a person isn't persuaded they've made a mistake, even though they submit their hearts to God constantly and don't find anything, then it's possible that asking them again with more specifics would help.
Right now you're stating these aren't the least interested in relating from humility; but how do you know that something that happened long ago is the constant state? I recall you modifying your views about people back and forth because people's states change. If it were true that such a person "couldn't" possibly change, then why would you continue talking about the possibility instead of just ignoring them and treating them as an impossible case, and protecting yourself from criticism by not ever bringing up their impossibility?
I recall them deleting content; I certainly deleted their content too. I always offer, if there's something else you want deleted, let me know. If everything that needs to have been deleted has been deleted, then there's nothing to bring up. If you think it's out there but the damage is done and unfixable, then you either decide what it would take to heal, or you conclude it'll never be fixed and you've been damaged forever (which, BTW, people don't generally accept because there's no value in being a perpetual victim).
Yes, u/SicSemperTyrannis2 used a profanity with you and I deleted it. Do you want to keep repeating his profanity many more times than he said it? Do you need something else done before you can forgive him, or do you purpose never to forgive him?
Are you able to answer my questions? Because if you wish to be a person who has a right to complain about others forever but others don't have a right to complain about you forever, that wouldn't be the golden rule, would it? I don't think that's who you want to be, I just don't see you doing anything different from setting aside a time to complain about others about once a month with very little letup. As I said at first, I'd like to do whatever can be done to assist you with resolving the complaints so that this cycle doesn't continue.