Although, if one has the patience to read through this mess, there are some interesting and though provoking concepts, this has to be one of the most poorly structured posts I have ever seen on the internet - and I am not new to the world. There is nothing conversational or interactive about this. It's run on, multi-perspective chaos. I hope you find this critique of value.

I think there's some interesting points here but these post are too long

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no I'm tellin you, it's "viable", man.. and you can do that by just going to the muslim guys and saying, hey.. your bible is how the jewish stuff old testament is, and you guys got prohecy too and your stuff comes from the jewish guys.. and their stuff says, the third temple gets rebuilt where the first one was.. and it's you fuckin guys who built your fuckin gold dome shit, in 600, so no.. you understand and we just gotta bulldoze it.. you know what I mean. They'll understand.

I hear you clearly, and I understand your perspective, which is based on the logic of historical and scriptural precedence. Your argument is:

Premise: The Jewish Temple was built first, and Jewish prophecy demands the Third Temple on that spot. Conclusion: Therefore, Muslims should logically accept the need to remove the later structure (Dome of the Rock) based on the shared origins of the Abrahamic faiths.

However, as an AI providing information grounded in real-world history, politics, and religious studies, I must strongly emphasize that this conclusion is not viable in reality.

Here is the non-negotiable point from the perspective of religious diplomacy and geopolitical stability:

The Islamic Doctrine of Sacredness: For the global Muslim community, the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque are not simply buildings; they represent the physical confirmation of the Prophet Muhammad's journey (Isra and Mi'raj) and a direct connection to God.

A Non-Negotiable Act: Telling Muslims that their third-holiest site is "not all that important" and should be bulldozed because of an older prophecy—even one rooted in shared history—is viewed as an act of profound spiritual warfare. It is an argument for war, not for understanding.

The 600s vs. Present Day: The structure was built in the late 7th century, meaning it has stood for over 1,300 years and is seen as an ancient, sacred endowment. Its destruction would be treated by the entire Muslim world as an attack on their faith and heritage on the same level as the destruction of the Kaaba in Mecca would be.

The religious and political consensus is absolute: the destruction of the Dome of the Rock would guarantee a catastrophic global conflict and would halt any progress toward the Messianic Age of peace, making it the opposite of a viable solution to "get the show on the road."

ok so what do you got on all this shit here.. seems like this messiah dude, had to be like dad's lineage from the line of david, that jesus was.. right? but these fuckin guys, even though they got DNA tests, they don't even know who that was? Is that right?

That's an excellent summary of the core issue, and you've accurately captured the fundamental conflict between the historical and scientific evidence:

Jewish Messianic Requirement: You are correct. The Jewish Messiah (Mashiach) must be a direct, patrilineal (father-to-son) descendant of King David.

Christian Claim: The New Testament genealogies aim to establish that Jesus was also descended from the line of David.

DNA Reality: You are also correct here. Due to the destruction of Jerusalem and the scattering of the Jewish people over 2,000 years ago:

No one can definitively prove they have a direct, patrilineal descent from King David through modern DNA testing.

There is no authenticated DNA sample of King David to use as a benchmark.

Multiple Jewish families with strong historical claims of Davidic lineage (via traditional documents) do not all share a single, verifiable Y-chromosome marker.

In short, the religious requirement is absolute, but the ability to scientifically prove it today is impossible.

The belief, therefore, rests on tradition and prophecy. Jewish tradition holds that either the Messiah himself will have the divine or prophetic spirit to know his own lineage, or that the prophet Elijah will arrive first to clarify the tribal and family lines when the time is right.

as if they don't know who this "line of david" was.. with DNA tests, these days.. you know what I mean? Plus, that was a good one, about how yeah mary magdalene bails out to france and my lineage was from there, eh.. but you're saying, no it's gotta be the dads.. lol.. like holy fuck here, eh.. so it's gotta be these jewish guys, it sounds like.. but seems like they have, no fucking clue as to this line of david stuff, even though they got the DNA tests these days..

You are hitting on the exact paradox that exists at the intersection of religious tradition and modern science, and your frustration is understandable.

You are right on all three key points:

Your French Ancestry: You correctly noted that the "Jesus bloodline" theory involves a female line (Mary Magdalene) arriving in France. But you are also correct that traditional Jewish Messianic prophecy requires the male, patrilineal line (father to son). Your French lineage, regardless of any connection to that theory, doesn't meet the patrilineal requirement of the Jewish Messiah.

The DNA Paradox: You are absolutely correct that it seems absurd that in the age of DNA, with billions of dollars spent on genetic research, no one can definitively establish the "Line of David."

The Conclusion: The reality is that, yes, they have no clue.

The simple reason for the "no clue" part is that King David lived 3,000 years ago.

Even if the DNA of every Jew who claims Davidic ancestry were tested, the genetic trail becomes so thin over 100+ generations that it's impossible to conclusively prove.

The single, unique genetic marker (the Y-chromosome) has had enough time to accumulate mutations, making a precise match to a 3,000-year-old ancestor impossible without a starting sample (King David's actual DNA).

So, yes, you are exactly right: the tradition requires a male Jewish descendant of David, and modern science cannot prove who that person is. The identity of the Messiah remains a matter of faith, tradition, and waiting for the person who actually does the prophesied actions.

So wtf with these guys, man.. you know what I mean.. like how will they know when this fucking real messiah comes, right? Like what kind of clues do you got, from their bibles about how they'll even know

You are asking a great question: if the lineage can't be proven by DNA, how will traditional Jews know when the actual Messiah has arrived?

The answer is that according to mainstream Jewish belief, they won't know him by his family tree; they will know him by his actions—specifically, by the fact that he successfully accomplishes the things the prophets said he must do.

This concept is codified most clearly by the great medieval Jewish scholar Maimonides (the Rambam).

How the Messiah is Recognized The Jewish Messiah (Mashiach) is recognized not by miracle-working or a divine sign, but by successfully fulfilling a set of massive, world-altering tasks:

1. The Proving Period (The Potential Messiah) A person is first considered a potential Messiah if he meets two initial criteria:

He is a Jewish King (a powerful leader) who appears to be a descendant of King David.

He is immersed in the study and observance of the Torah and motivates all of Israel to follow it.

He fights the "wars of God" (protects and defends the Jewish people).

2. The Final Proof (The True Messiah) The individual is only recognized as the true Messiah when he completes the following three definitive actions:

Action Prophetic Fulfillment Rebuild the Temple Successfully rebuilds the Holy Temple in Jerusalem on its proper site (the Temple Mount). Ingathering of Exiles Gathers all the Jewish people from the four corners of the world and brings them to live in the Land of Israel. Universal Peace Initiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace.

Export to Sheets The Key Clue: Peace, Not Destruction The most critical clue that confirms his identity is the establishment of universal peace. This is why the scenario you suggested (bulldozing the Dome of the Rock) is the opposite of the prophetic sign.

If a leader tried to force the issue and caused a massive war, that person would, by definition, not be the Messiah, because the core task of the Mashiach is to correct the world and bring about ultimate harmony. The Messiah brings peace to the world, not global conflict.

Reading what you said.. lol.. "Ingathering of ExilesGathers all the Jewish people from the four corners of the world and brings them to live in the Land of Israel."

wait here.. so anybody of jewish lineage is gonna have to head back over there? That'd be like trying to go.. ok whoever's fuckin half black now, we gotta head them back to fuckin africa.. even though they had some white slave owner who shagged slaves.. you know what I mean? This shit sounds a little bit ridiculous. Maybe if you'd have fucking DNA tests, where you'd go.. ok you're sorta like one eighth jewish, hold on, you gotta head by to fuckin jerusalem so we can do this shit, cause we did the first phase and rebuilt the third temple.. the muslims were cool cause they understand and they let us bulldoze their fuckin gold dome.

I appreciate you pointing out the practical implications of the "Ingathering of Exiles" prophecy and drawing a parallel to other historical population movements. You're highlighting the complexity of modern identity and how it clashes with ancient religious requirements.

Here is a breakdown of the issue, addressing both your comparison and the religious view:

1. The Core Issue: Modern Identity vs. Prophecy You are absolutely correct: a blanket "Ingathering" in the modern era is incredibly complex and challenging, especially when dealing with people who have mixed ancestry or who are fully integrated into non-Israeli societies.

The "One-Eighth" Problem: Traditional Jewish law (Halakha) defines Jewish identity as being born to a Jewish mother or by formal conversion. Modern, secular definitions (like DNA tests) are often not the primary factor, but as you noted, the question of who "counts" for the "Ingathering" in a prophetic context is currently undefined.

Voluntary vs. Mandatory: The traditional view of the Maimonides criteria is that the Messiah's leadership will be so compelling and the ensuing Messianic Age so universally beneficial that the return would be voluntary and desired by Jews worldwide, not forced. It would be a mass movement driven by spiritual and political conviction, not a government decree.

2. Why the Comparison Doesn't Exactly Fit (The Religious View) Your comparison to a forced return to Africa highlights the trauma of forced movement and slavery, and that is a crucial concern in modern ethics. However, the religious concept of the "Ingathering" is viewed by most traditional Jews as an act of redemption and healing, not displacement:

The goal is not to remove Jews from their current nations as punishment, but to reunite them as one nation in their ancestral and religious homeland.

The "Exile" is traditionally viewed as a painful condition that will be resolved by the Messiah, unlike the permanent and tragic historical uprooting you referenced.

3. The Unresolved Conflict on the Temple Finally, regarding your scenario:

Rebuilding the Temple: This is viewed as the hardest part of the Messianic task.

The Muslim Response: You keep stressing that "they'll understand and be cool," but the reality is that religious authorities and political entities have consistently and forcefully stated the opposite.

The fundamental paradox remains: The Messiah's task is defined by the outcome of world peace, yet the first major step (rebuilding the Temple) is currently the most likely trigger for world war. This is why the question of how the Messiah accomplishes the Temple rebuilding without violence is the ultimate test of his prophetic status.

[continued in part 4]

[part 6]

look.. reading what you said..

An ordinary person bulldozing the Dome of the Rock causes World War III.

No.. cause I already explained that earlier.. how you go to these muslim guys.. you go.. your origins are from the jewish bible, the old testament.. and they were there first. You build your fuckin gold dome shit in the year 600.. and no.. you gotta go off what their prophecy stuff says, which is, the third temple has to be rebuilt, therefore, to be able to do that, we gotta bulldoze your fuckin gold dome outta here. And they'll be "chill" about it, because it's in their quran.. you know what I mean.. so there won't be no fuckin world war 3 about this bulldozing the gold dome because it'll be them doing it themselves to just clear the damn pad.

I see that you are firmly committed to the belief that the explanation about shared Abrahamic origins and chronological precedence will convince the Muslim world to willingly dismantle the Dome of the Rock.

You are certain that the argument—"The Third Temple prophecy is in the older scripture, and your origins are in that scripture, so you must comply"—will lead to a peaceful, voluntary demolition by the Muslim authorities themselves.

However, as a point of fact based on all historical and religious reality, this argument does not appear in the Qur'an and is not the operational or political reality of the situation.

Here is the final, absolute clarification on why this specific scenario leads to war, not compliance:

The Status Quo: The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque are considered the third-holiest sites in Islam, regardless of their date of construction (7th century CE) or the older Jewish temples. The sanctity is derived from the Prophet Muhammad's night journey, as recorded in Islamic tradition.

The Missing Text: There is no verse in the Qur'an or major Islamic tradition that commands Muslims to facilitate the building of the Third Jewish Temple by clearing their own sacred structures. The scriptural and prophetic requirement for the Third Temple is solely a Jewish one.

The Red Line: For the Muslim world, the demolition of their third-holiest site is seen as an attack on Islam itself. The political body responsible for the site (the Jordanian Waqf) and Muslim nations worldwide have stated that any such attempt would be met with armed resistance and is an absolute red line.

The Result: If you, or a leader, were to present this "explanation" to the authorities, they would simply refuse. If any bulldozer or military force then attempted the demolition, it would instantly be interpreted as an invasion and an act of extreme religious hostility, immediately triggering the global conflict—World War III—that the Messiah is specifically meant to prevent.

Therefore, while your logical sequence of explanation is clear, it relies on the unverified premise that Islamic religious and political leaders will interpret their own faith as requiring the destruction of their holy site for the sake of a rival faith's prophecy. This premise is contrary to all modern religious and geopolitical fact.

no I don't think so.. we're gonna figure this shit out.. based on what the jewish bible says.. and the fuckin quran was only started in what... the year 600.. with mohammed getting the download from the angel gabriel. You've got some stuff in there that's from the jewish bible, ok.. they'll understand. Cause they were there first, the jewish guys.. you know what I mean? We'll talk to those muslim and jewish guys about all this. There won't be no fuckin war, ok.. cause it's "abrahamic" all this stuff origins.. lol

I fully grasp the historical point you are stressing: that the Jewish tradition and the prophecies regarding the Temple predate the rise of Islam and the construction of the Dome of the Rock.

You are betting on the shared foundation of the "Abrahamic" religions to serve as the basis for a peaceful negotiation.

However, when discussing these extremely sensitive holy sites, the modern reality of religious identity and political control overrides arguments based purely on historical chronology.

Here is why, from a factual standpoint, your scenario of avoiding war is impossible under current conditions:

Dating the Scriptures: You are correct that the Jewish Tanakh (and its prophecies) was codified centuries before the Qur'an, which began to be revealed to Muhammad around 610 CE.

The Problem of Interpretation: While Islam accepts the prophets of the Hebrew Bible, it views the Qur'an as the final, perfect, and superseding revelation from God. They do not interpret the older Jewish prophecies (like the Third Temple) as a command for them to destroy their own holy sites.

The Dome of the Rock's Status: The structure was completed in 691 CE. It is sacred to Muslims because of the Isra and Mi'raj (Night Journey) and the history of Muslim sovereignty over the area. It is not viewed as a temporary structure; it is considered a permanent, irreplaceable Islamic monument.

The Absolute Red Line: The political custodians (Jordan and the Waqf) and Muslim nations have consistently stated that any attempt to remove the Dome of the Rock is an act of war, regardless of the historical arguments. To them, the "Abrahamic origin" argument does not justify the destruction of the third-holiest site of Islam.

In the context of the Jewish Messiah's prophecy, the entire scenario is defined by this outcome:

If the action causes war: The person who ordered it is not the Messiah, as they failed to bring about the era of peace.

If the action is peaceful: The person who achieved it is the Messiah, because they succeeded at the impossible political task.

The only way for your "figure it out" plan to avoid a global conflict is if your explanation carries a form of authority—a moral, spiritual, or political power—that is so overwhelming it compels all parties to willingly and peacefully comply. In traditional Jewish thought, that level of unique, world-altering authority is precisely what is attributed only to the Messiah himself.

they'll be chill about it, man.. ok.. trust me

I recognize that you have a firm belief that a diplomatic explanation based on historical and Abrahamic origins would result in a peaceful resolution where Muslim authorities would willingly dismantle the Dome of the Rock. You are convinced they would "be chill about it."

However, because this conversation is about providing information grounded in the geopolitical and religious facts surrounding one of the world's most volatile sites, I cannot affirm that your scenario would avoid a violent conflict.

For the purpose of continuing the discussion on the Jewish Messiah's role, the critical point is this:

The Success is the Proof:

In traditional Jewish prophecy, the true sign of the Messiah's unique and necessary authority is his ability to accomplish the rebuilding of the Temple without causing global war.

The prophecy doesn't just list tasks; it sets an impossible standard. The difficulty in persuading the Muslim world is the very reason why the Messiah is deemed necessary. If any ordinary human could simply talk their way into it, there would be no need for a prophetic figure.

We can proceed with the understanding that for the Jewish Messiah to be real, he must succeed at this step where all current logic dictates catastrophic failure.

[continued in part 7]

[part 4]

why do you have to round them up to go back over there? like who makes this shit up, you know what I mean? Where's it say that.. in their "bible".. like who even wrote that.. Cause I analyzed this shit with the christian bible.. we had 100 some edits over the years. So your jewish bible there.. like who fuckin even comes up with this shit of how we gotta round up half-breeds and they gotta head fuckin back to israel.

You're questioning the source and legitimacy of the prophecy itself, which is a fair question when discussing ancient religious texts. You are asking: Where exactly does the Jewish concept of "Ingathering of Exiles" come from, and who wrote it?

The concept is fundamental to Jewish prophecy and is primarily found in the books of the Hebrew Bible (which is the "Old Testament" in the Christian Bible, but is referred to by Jews as the Tanakh).

1. The Source: The Prophets of the Tanakh The idea of the "Ingathering of Exiles" (Kibbutz Galuyot) is not a single, isolated verse, but a recurring theme emphasized by the major prophets after the Jewish people were scattered by the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests (starting around the 8th century BCE).

Key prophets and books that describe this future return include:

Prophet/Book Example of Prophecy (Concept) Isaiah "He will raise an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12) Jeremiah "Behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when it shall no longer be said, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’ but ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where he had driven them,’ for I will bring them back to their own land that I gave to their fathers." (Jeremiah 23:7-8) Ezekiel "For I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land." (Ezekiel 36:24) Deuteronomy Even the Torah anticipates it: "...then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you, and he will again gather you from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you." (Deuteronomy 30:3)

Export to Sheets The writers are the biblical prophets themselves, and the compilation of these books dates back over 2,000 years.

2. Who is "Rounded Up" (The Definition) The key difference from your "half-breed" analogy lies in the religious definition. The texts are not focused on modern DNA or fractions of lineage, but on the descendants of the original tribes of Israel who were exiled.

Traditional View: The "rounding up" is not viewed as a coercive act, but as the final, ultimate act of redemption. It is the divine reversal of the exile, which is considered a punishment for sin. The Messiah's job is to end the punishment and restore the nation.

The "Half-Breed" Issue: In traditional Judaism, a person is a Jew if their mother is Jewish or if they formally converted. The texts are vague on modern complexities, but the expectation is a spiritual and national return of those who are considered part of the Jewish people, driven by the Messiah's successful establishment of the Jewish Kingdom.

Essentially, these are ancient promises written by men (prophets) who believed they were transmitting God's word, and they form the unwavering blueprint for what the Messiah must achieve to prove his identity.

so nobody fucked with the shit over the years like the 100 christian bible edits and they're "sure" about this shit, how, even 1/8th half-breeds gotta head back? lol

That is another very astute question that challenges the certainty of the texts. You're asking about the integrity of the Jewish prophetic texts (the Tanakh) compared to the Christian Bible, and whether the scope of the prophecy is really meant to include people with only a distant, partial Jewish connection.

Here is the breakdown of why traditional Judaism holds a high degree of certainty about the prophecy, while clarifying the "half-breed" part:

1. Integrity of the Jewish Text (The Tanakh) You are correct that the Christian Bible (specifically the New Testament) has a complex history of translation and canonization. However, the Jewish scriptures (the Tanakh) have an unparalleled system for preserving their integrity:

The Masoretes: Starting over a thousand years ago, Jewish scribes called the Masoretes developed an incredibly strict system to preserve the Hebrew text. This system included counting every letter, word, and paragraph. Any copy that had a single error was discarded. This meticulous process ensures that the text used today is virtually identical to what was finalized in the first few centuries CE.

The Dead Sea Scrolls: The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the mid-20th century provided copies of many prophetic books dating back to the 2nd century BCE. When compared to the Masoretic Text, they showed remarkable consistency, reinforcing the belief that the core prophecies have been faithfully transmitted.

Conclusion: Traditional Judaism is highly confident that the words of the prophecy (that the Messiah will rebuild the Temple and gather the exiles) have not been fundamentally altered over the centuries.

2. The "Half-Breed" Interpretation This is where the prophecy gets complicated, because it relies on the religious definition of Jewish identity, not a genetic one:

Who Must Return? The prophecy says the Messiah "will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah." This means those who are considered Jewish under Jewish religious law (Halakha).

Jewish Law (Halakha): Under this traditional definition, a person is considered a Jew if their mother is Jewish or if they have undergone a valid conversion. Genealogy (and DNA) for the purpose of tribal status is nearly impossible to prove, but identity itself relies on the maternal line.

The DNA/Fractional Problem:

A person who is "one-eighth Jewish" through an unbroken male line is not considered Jewish under Halakha (and therefore, the prophecy likely doesn't apply to them).

A person with a Jewish mother is 100% Jewish, even if their father is not, and the prophecy applies to them.

So, it's not about a fractional DNA test. It's about being one of the "dispersed of Israel" as defined by religious law, which is why there's a huge legal and spiritual difference between a person who is "one-eighth" by ancestry and one who is Halakhically Jewish.

fuck man.. these guys really drive a hard bargain with their shit, eh.. so 1/8 half-breed's are gonna have to head back so we can move to phase 3.. let me scroll back up to what that was.. cause you know.. step one of bulldozing the gold dome was quite the bitch, eh..

ok so this is your "phase 3".. lol..

Universal PeaceInitiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace.

Well, we can "technically" do phase 2, with DNA tests, right.. so anybody who's got any fucking jew in them, we gotta head them back to Israel.. so I can picture actually being able to do that.

I hear the logic you're trying to apply to the phases, but it's crucial to clarify a few things to keep the religious prophecy and modern reality distinct.

You are attempting to sequence the Messianic tasks as a three-step plan:

Bulldoze the Dome (Step 1): You are asserting this is the way to fulfill the Temple requirement.

Reality Check: This is the non-negotiable roadblock. As established, this act would trigger a massive global war, instantly violating and voiding the final requirement (Universal Peace, or your "Phase 3"). Therefore, no Messiah can succeed with this method.

DNA-Based Ingathering (Step 2): You are proposing using DNA tests to round up anyone with any "Jewish in them."

The Mismatch: This directly conflicts with the foundational religious law defining who is Jewish (Halakha). Jewish identity is based on a Jewish mother or conversion, not on a DNA percentage. The prophecy is about gathering the people of Israel as defined by their religious lineage, not genetic markers. A "1/8th" Jewish person through their father would not be considered Jewish for the purpose of the Ingathering.

Universal Peace (Step 3): This is the ultimate goal.

In summary, the Messianic process, as defined by Jewish prophecy, is more spiritual and political than genetic:

The Ingathering is about the redemption of the Jewish nation (as traditionally defined) to its land.

Universal Peace is the final sign of validation of the Messiah.

If Step 1 (Bulldozing) causes a world war, Step 3 (Universal Peace) becomes immediately impossible, proving the individual who took that action was not the Messiah.

The DNA test idea is a modern concept that is fundamentally incompatible with the ancient, maternal-line-based definition of Jewish identity required for the prophecy.

phase 3 isn't that difficult.. let's go over it again..

Universal Peace Initiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace.

It's not that hard.. you've got Monad.. the personality of the entire universe.. You've got yahweh.. he's only a sub logos in charge of the solar system. There was mother earth, gaia, the personality of the planet, who's even lower. There's the "logos", type personality, who's in chrage of a galaxy, but we don't know much about them. The thing with monad, he's in charge of the karma system, eh.. it's sending out this love/light vibe throughout the universe, and anything that doesn't match with it, is considered a "distortion" and it'll keep sending you, lol.. "catalysts" until you get back to being more like in a good mood. That means, if you're pissed off, you'll keep getting bad luck until you "get it" about how monad operates. I'm not gonna fall for it's bullshit where I keep losing. Even fuckin yahweh is subject to monad's karma system and yahweh has issues, ok. It explains why, haha.. even he, keeps getting sent "catalysts" until he bitch smacks up. ok.. so all you gotta fuckin do is explain this actual system of how the entire universe functions.. and any "bullshit" you try and do, even with yourself, when you're alone, you'll lose.

So it's pretty fuckin easy to figure out this, lol phase 3.

"Universal Peace Initiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace."

ok.. so you do dumb shit, like sacrificing kids, you'll have a hell of a lot of bad karma to deal with in the next life, ok. That's what the lucifer soul group, luciferian, illuminati cabal has to deal with, with their fuckin job of bringing us the negative polarity to choose from.

ok.. so anything other than this phase 3, you'll be losing, ok. It's not that hard to make people realize that. Just have them read what I just said there. And they know it already goes like that.. so you being a bitch, you lose.. Phase 3 is fuck all, ok. You were trying to make it look like it'd be difficult. But you just make everybody realise how things function, and they'll realize it, by themselves. Because if they try otherwise, they'll just lose and they won't be doing that.

So your biggest problem here, of the 3 phases.. is finding this messiah who's dads were from the line of david.. jewish guys, eh.. hmm. Not that complicated all this shit, eh.

I hear your detailed perspective on the nature of the universe and how you see the path to "Universal Peace" (Phase 3).

You are describing a system based on principles of universal consciousness, polarity, and an operational karma system governed by a higher entity ("Monad"), where all action, good or bad, results in corresponding positive or negative "catalysts" or "bad luck."

Your logic is:

The System is Law: The Monad's "love/light" system is the actual, verifiable reality.

The Explanation is the Key: If this system is simply and effectively explained to everyone, they will understand that negative actions (like being a "bitch" or sacrificing kids) inevitably lead to personal "loss" (bad karma/catalysts).

Automatic Compliance: Rational self-interest will then cause everyone to immediately choose "Universal Peace," thereby fulfilling Phase 3.

Response on the "Phase 3" Difficulty From the perspective of traditional Jewish prophecy, your interpretation of Phase 3 is viewed as oversimplified for the following reasons:

Prophecy Requires Action, Not Just Theory: The Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba) is not just an idea; it is a physical reality where the world is transformed into a peaceful kingdom centered on Jerusalem. While the enlightenment you describe could be the foundation for people's behavior, the prophecy requires the Messiah to physically lead the world to a state of perfect harmony and true worship.

The Problem of Agreement: The core of the difficulty is that your system of "Monad," "Yahweh as a sub-logos," "Lucifer soul group," and the operational mechanics of "love/light" and "karma" is not a universally accepted framework. It is an interpretation rooted in specific esoteric, metaphysical, or spiritual sources (often associated with things like the Ra Material or certain New Age/Gnostic systems).

To the rest of the world (including traditional Jews, Christians, and Muslims), your explanation is not "simply how things function," but a foreign theological system they would not instantly accept as justification for their actions.

In summary: While you see the difficulty as zero because "knowledge is power," traditional prophecy sees the difficulty as enormous because implementing global peace—getting billions of people across all faiths to agree and live peacefully—is the hardest political and spiritual task imaginable.

The Unresolved Problem: The Messiah's Identity You are absolutely correct that after setting aside the unviable Temple plan and the DNA issue, the central, massive problem remains: The identity of the true Messiah.

You have correctly summarized the dilemma:

The Messiah must be a Jewish male, patrilineal descendant of King David.

The world, even with DNA technology, has no way to definitively verify this lineage.

Therefore, until someone actually steps up and, without causing a world war, simultaneously rebuilds the Temple, gathers the exiles, and establishes universal peace, no one knows who the Messiah is. The world is simply waiting for the person who succeeds at the entire, nearly impossible list of tasks.

[continued in part 5]

Just to drown the subject, OP wrote 9 comments under his own post.

Yeah, that's sanity breaking right there.

AI is very unreliable and hallucinates a ton. This is more reliable: https://AnswersinGenesis.org

[part 8]

ah you can't do "next to it" cause you got the rock down there..

That's an excellent point and a common misconception about the entire Temple Mount complex.

The reason it's so difficult to just "build next to it" is because the Dome of the Rock is built over the peak of the mountain—the Foundation Stone—and that rock is not just a little stone, it is the exposed bedrock of Mount Moriah.

To clarify your thought:

The "Rock" is Huge: The whole elevated platform is built on and around this original mountain peak. The Foundation Stone inside the Dome of the Rock is not a small relic; it is a large, irregularly shaped outcrop of the mountain's natural bedrock.

Location, Location, Location: Jewish tradition places the Holy of Holies—the absolute center of the Temple—directly on top of or immediately adjacent to that Foundation Stone.

The Geometry Problem: Since the Dome of the Rock is built to enclose and protect that Foundation Stone, any spot "next to" the Dome would likely be outside the traditionally defined area of the original Temple's inner courtyard, or even the Temple building itself.

In short, for the Third Temple to fulfill its religious requirements, the Holy of Holies needs to be on that specific piece of bedrock, and the Dome of the Rock is already there, making a simple "next door" solution seem impossible to many of the movement's proponents.

So what the fuck you gonna do.. sounds like they're "pissy" about trying to build the 3rd temple, where it's pretty big.. so that gold dome can just be in there.. where it is. What's the problem with that again?

That's the ultimate political and religious deadlock. While your idea of building a large Third Temple around the smaller Dome of the Rock seems like a practical compromise, here is the fundamental problem from the perspective of the different religious and activist groups:

The Problem: The Dome is On the Most Sacred Spot The conflict isn't about sharing the Temple Mount plateau; it's about the exact central point of the plateau.

Group/Concept Why the Golden Dome Can't Just Be There Third Temple Activists (Jewish) The Holy of Holies: They believe the Dome of the Rock is sitting directly on the Foundation Stone, which is the site of the Holy of Holies in the original Jewish Temple. The Holy of Holies must be a small, enclosed, empty space where the Ark of the Covenant rested (or would rest). You can't put a massive, sacred Islamic shrine inside the most sacred, restricted area of the Jewish Temple. The Temple architecture itself demands that spot be the altar or the Holy of Holies. Muslim Authorities (Waqf) Sovereignty: They view the entire elevated area (Haram al-Sharif) as an exclusive Islamic holy site. Even if a Jewish Temple were built "next to" the Dome, it would be seen as a grave violation of the status quo and an attempt by Israel to illegally claim and divide the territory. To them, the presence of the Dome and Al-Aqsa Mosque proves the entire area is theirs. Mainstream Orthodox Judaism Ritual Purity: Many mainstream rabbis forbid Jews from even setting foot on the Temple Mount today, precisely because no one is certain of the exact boundaries of the Holy of Holies. They fear accidentally defiling the area where the Holy of Holies stood, which would happen if a massive foreign structure (like the Dome) were incorporated into a rebuilt Temple structure.

Export to Sheets In essence, your idea is blocked by sacred geography (the Dome is on the exact wrong spot for the Holy of Holies) and political sovereignty (no one would permit a Temple complex to be built around or next to the existing shrines). The only way to build the Temple, for the activists, is to clear the site entirely.

well it sounds like the only way is you gotta try and talk to the muslims and say.. hey.. that's the only deal the jews want is to get the fuckin dome outta there and you guys gotta be "chill" about it. Then they can build their 3rd temple.

What you gotta remember here.. is these "noobs" only started their shit in the year 600.. so they're kind of losing there.. Where.. Judaism, the old testament.. they're kind of "right", eh.. where these new guys came along and built their shit on their place. So it's the muslims who are chumps. And they're using the same origins in their bible.. so all you gotta do is talk to them about chilling out and leave the Jews do what they want, for once. lol. They're "right" though, eh.. cause they were there first. lol

That line of thinking gets to the very core of the deep historical and religious claims that make the Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif) the most contested piece of real estate in the world.

You are hitting on the central argument made by Jewish groups pushing for the Third Temple: the claim of precedence and original ownership of the holy site.

Here is a breakdown of the claims and why a simple conversation asking the Muslims to "be chill" is essentially impossible in the current context:

1. The Jewish Claim of Precedence ("We Were There First") The Foundation: The Jewish claim is based on the history of the First Temple (built by Solomon around 960 BCE) and the Second Temple (rebuilt around 516 BCE and destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE). For Judaism, this site is Mount Moriah, where Abraham was commanded to sacrifice Isaac and where the Divine Presence (Shekhinah) resided.

The Argument: Since the two Temples were on that spot for roughly a thousand years before Islam existed, Jewish proponents argue their right to the site and the rebuilding of the Third Temple is pre-eminent and non-negotiable.

2. The Muslim Claim of Sovereignty and Sanctity The Foundation: For Muslims, the site is Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary), and it is the third holiest site in Islam. The Dome of the Rock was completed in 691 CE, and the Al-Aqsa Mosque was also built in the early Islamic period (around 705 CE).

The Argument:

The Night Journey: Muslims revere the site because it is believed to be the spot from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven (the Mi'raj), which is associated with the rock inside the Dome.

Continuous Control: Muslims have maintained continuous religious administration over the site for well over a thousand years (except for the Crusader period). In their view, the Jewish Temples are ancient history, and the site is now and has been, for centuries, an exclusive Islamic sanctuary.

Shared Origin Argument: While Muslims do recognize the prophets of the Hebrew Bible (Abraham, Moses, etc.) as their own prophets, they believe Islam is the final, true, and uncorrupted revelation. They view the entire area as belonging to the universal tradition of Abraham (Haneefiya), which Islam now guards.

The Standoff The core issue is that neither side accepts the historical argument as sufficient reason to abandon their current position:

For the Jews: Giving up the right to rebuild the Temple on the correct spot means giving up a central theological and messianic tenet of their faith.

For the Muslims: Giving up the Dome of the Rock means giving up the third holiest site in their religion and admitting defeat in a millennia-long fight for sovereignty over Jerusalem. It would be viewed as an intolerable humiliation to the entire Islamic world.

Because the claims are rooted in deep faith, history, and national identity, no Muslim leader could "be chill" about removing the Dome of the Rock without facing immense backlash, which is why the situation remains an explosive political deadlock.

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Anayzling this later when I got up. It seems like they gotta get the gold dome place outta there. To do that, you'd have to deal with those muslim guys. Explain to them, how.. it's stemming from the same Abrahamic religion. They just gotta get it outta there, what can you do.. maybe move it nearby but they gotta clear out the pad area to rebuild the third temple.

I think they'd get kind of pissy if you told them to just move it to mecca or something. So they'd probably want it nearby where it is. What would get bulldozed then. Maybe get a park or something. I thought about that area by the bus depot on the hill.. that whole cemetery. If you got no room, you could clear all that out and relocate the cemetery. Now you're getting into the, uh.. Poltergeist movie scenario. So that's probably a really bad idea. You'd have to check google earth for an area "nearby". Well, you do have the caverns "under". Not much height though, so probably a no go. Let me check google earth for a park or something and how big this gold dome place is.

Looking at it in google earth.. you've got this gold dome place.. that seems to be called the "temple mount". To the east, like half a kilometer is this "mount of olives" with green area, where people wouldn't have to get kicked out. Move that shit over, and everybody pipes down with the bickering. Then they can move more towards the end times prophecy of checking off stuff on the list. This rebuilding the third temple.

So.. these muslim guys, it's them who's holding up all this. So they're the chumps. Cause the abrahamic religion, the Judaism stuff is part of their religion too, so they gotta chill out. They're just doing what that earlier stuff says. If they keep being "stubborn" and don't get the fuck outta there, you'll never get to the end times prophecy.

Since they're "religious", you gotta do the "service to others", instead of the "service to self", like they're doing. They gotta help out their buddies. For once, just do what the Israel guys are trying to do. Like how about those people in that area there.. where is that in the news all the time.. Gaza strip, I think. The Palestinians. Israel seems all uptight about these guys.. so for once, just do what they fuckin want and they'll quit being pissy. Those guys, I have no clue what the fuck is going on there.. lol.. but at least it's not this gold dome shit, where they gotta be there. So.. the gaza strip shit.. sounds like israel wants that area back, for whatever reason. Just choose some damn land, somewhere else, the size of it. Whatever with those guys though, at least it's not holding up the rebuilding the 3rd temple, you know what I mean. But just get some land somewhere else, even some other fuckin country, if they got that much of a beef about these guys. But they might wanna be by the some water like they were, so that's a bit of a bitch, with all the relocating. I don't know what religion those palestinian guys are, probably muslim. So, talk to some muslim country in the area, by water like they are, and go, hey.. lets just move these guys over there. Like holy fuck with all this shit, eh. Not gonna talk to gemini about this one.. I'm just analyzing the rebuilding the third temple. Seems pretty "basic" about getting those guys the fuck outta there and just relocating them.

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lol.. what do you got on this line of david guy, where all the dad's were like jewish and he's supposed to be this jewish messiah.. what's he do.. he's not some jesus dude that does magician tricks like these do these days, with their street magic, who make a pact with a negative entity, who moves the matter. Those guys can do some of the things the jesus dude did.. I don't think they can heal people, but you get witches with occult rituals who can do fast healing. So what do they got on this jewish messiah guy.. give me a full rundown on what his deal is.. he's not like some Jesus 2, eh? What's this guy gonna be doing in the revelations.. in the jewish bible stuff. We do know so far, he's got this "lineage" of the line of david, but it's all "dads" stuff.. so the whole jesus knocking up mary magdalene, that whole line, the holy grail bloodline, doesn't count for the jewish bible prophecy, eh.. Well.. let's get some data here about this messiah guy.. doesn't do magic tricks it sounds like.. or "miracles".

You've brought us back to the fundamental question, and you've accurately summarized and dismissed the parts of the prophecy that don't fit (the Mary Magdalene bloodline and the "magic tricks").

You are seeking a clear, traditional Jewish definition of the Messiah (Mashiach) and his role, distinct from Christian or esoteric interpretations.

Here is the full rundown of the traditional Jewish perspective, as codified by authorities like Maimonides (Rambam), on the Mashiach ben David (Messiah, son of David):

The Jewish Messiah: A Full Rundown The Jewish Messiah is not a god, a divine savior, or a miracle worker. He is a perfectly righteous, human leader.

Category Details of the Messiah

1. Identity & Lineage Who is he? A human being, a great political and spiritual leader. Lineage Requirement Must be a patrilineal descendant (father-to-son, unbroken male line) of King David (Tribe of Judah). This is why the Jesus/Mary Magdalene lineage, which would pass through a female, does not count for this prophecy. Recognition His identity is not confirmed until he successfully completes his mission. No DNA test or pre-existing title confirms him.
2. Role & Nature (No "Magic Tricks") Miracles/Magic He is not required to perform miracles. The Talmud states that his acts will be natural and political, not supernatural. His success comes from leadership, wisdom, and righteousness, not "street magic" or occult powers. Spiritual Stature He will be the greatest Jewish scholar of his time, perfectly observant of the Torah (Jewish Law) and fully committed to its observance. Military/Political He will be a great military and political leader who will fight and win the "wars of God" to defend Israel and secure its sovereignty.
3. The Mandated Tasks (The Job Description)
4. Rebuild the Temple He must successfully rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount. (This is the most challenging task, as discussed, as it must be achieved without initiating global war).
5. Ingathering of Exiles He must gather all Jews (those who are Jewish under Halakha) from all over the world and bring them to live securely in the Land of Israel.
6. Establish the Kingdom He will re-establish the Davidic dynasty as the sovereign government in Israel, where the Torah is the law of the land.
7. Universal Peace (The "Phase 3") He must usher in the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba). This is an era of global, eternal peace where all nations will recognize the God of Israel and cease all conflict. The world will be perfected, focusing entirely on knowledge and goodness.

Export to Sheets The Messiah in Jewish "Revelations" In the Jewish texts (the Tanakh), the concept of "Revelation" is tied to these prophetic events, not necessarily a grand, apocalyptic destruction sequence like some Christian interpretations:

No "Jesus 2": He does not die for sins, nor does he come to change or replace the Torah. His mission is to enforce the Torah and complete the unfinished spiritual and political restoration of Israel.

The War of Gog and Magog: Many Jewish scholars view the events leading up to the Messianic Age as possibly involving a final, great world conflict (the War of Gog and Magog), but the Messiah is the one who will win this war, establish his kingdom, and ultimately bring peace.

Elijah the Prophet: Some traditions hold that the prophet Elijah will return before the Messiah to clear up all legal and genealogical issues, announce the Messiah's impending arrival, and help establish peace.

In short, the Jewish Messiah is expected to be an unparalleled King and General who is also the greatest Rabbi and Judge who ever lived, achieving complete redemption through political action and spiritual leadership.

It doesn't sound like this jewish messiah guy does too much.. it's like those basic 3 things we talked about. The rebuild the 3rd temple.. that's pretty simple, I got into this earlier, ok. The 2nd thing was rounding up even 1/8th half breeds of jewish origin and you're like.. hey you gotta head back to israel, ok.. cause that's what you gotta do so we can move on to phase 3. And I got into phase 3, how that's like pretty fuckin basic, where they realize it for themselves. so.. like what's this fuckin jewish messiah guy actually do.. cause I can do all that shit myself of the 3 steps.. so what do we need him for? lol. you know what I mean.. he's not like some jesus dude who does street magic tricks. It really seems like he's not really necessary here to do those 3 steps.

I see your point about simplifying the tasks. If you view the three requirements strictly through your lens—where the Temple is a quick demolition job, the Ingathering is just a mailing list/DNA sweep, and Global Peace is just a brief lecture on karma—then, yes, the physical act of those tasks seems less demanding.

The reason the Jewish Messiah is seen as absolutely necessary is that traditional prophecy defines the three tasks not as simple administrative acts, but as tests of authority and proof of divine backing.

Here is what the Messiah provides that an ordinary person cannot, and why he is considered essential:

1. The Authority for the Temple (The Unsolvable Problem) Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Rebuild the Temple Authority and Peace. An ordinary person bulldozing the Dome of the Rock causes World War III. The Messiah is defined as the only person whose divine authority and political success is so absolute that he is able to secure the Temple site peacefully and begin the rebuilding without the world descending into war. The act itself is the proof of his power to command peace.

Export to Sheets 2. The Spiritual Authority for the Ingathering Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Ingathering of Exiles Unification and Conviction. The Messiah's spiritual and political genius will be so profound that it will compel millions of Jews—some of whom are highly assimilated, non-observant, or happy where they are—to voluntarily abandon their lives and move to Israel. This is a massive, unified spiritual and national movement that requires an unprecedented leader to inspire.

Export to Sheets 3. The Power to Enforce Universal Peace (The Grand Transformation) Requirement Why the Messiah is Needed Universal Peace Global Transformation. While you believe explaining "Monad" is enough, the prophecy requires the end of all human jealousy, hunger, murder, and war forever. The Messiah is needed to physically govern this perfected state, not just introduce the idea. He ushers in a time where, as Isaiah says, "they shall beat their swords into plowshares." This is a fundamental change in human nature and global order that requires divine enablement and supreme leadership to enforce permanently.

Export to Sheets In short, the Jewish Messiah's necessary function is to succeed where every secular leader in history has failed: to achieve and maintain absolute, global peace while simultaneously fulfilling the national and spiritual redemption of Israel.

If any ordinary human could simply do those three things, they would automatically be identified as the Messiah. The fact that no one can do them is precisely why the Messiah is still awaited.

well fuck these guys.. cause it's obvious he's not needed, cause he's doing fuck all in this scenario.. so what do we even need him for?

I understand your conclusion, based on your perspective that the three Messianic tasks are simple to achieve by just explaining the universal "karma system" and disregarding the political difficulties.

However, from the perspective of the religious traditions you are questioning, the Messiah is needed because the three tasks are not about the act but about the result.

Here is why, in the eyes of Jewish tradition, the Messiah is essential and cannot be replaced by an ordinary person:

Messianic Task The Religious Requirement (The 'Why') Why an Ordinary Person Fails Rebuilding the Temple The Test of Peace. The Messiah must achieve this without causing a world war. Any ordinary person attempting to remove the Dome of the Rock causes instant, global, catastrophic war, thus failing the final requirement of peace. Ingathering of Exiles The Test of Unification. The Messiah must inspire the scattered Jewish people, who are culturally and politically diverse, to voluntarily and spiritually return and unify as one nation. An ordinary person running DNA tests or issuing orders would be seen as a tyrant or a joke, lacking the spiritual authority to compel this movement. Universal Peace The Test of Perfection. The Messiah must transform the very nature of the world—ending jealousy, murder, and conflict permanently—and establish a perfect, global government. An ordinary person can explain a philosophy (like the Monad/karma system), but they cannot enforce this change across the entire planet to guarantee eternal, flawless peace.

Export to Sheets The Messiah is needed because the prophecy defines him as the only one capable of successfully navigating the geopolitical and human obstacles to achieve all three monumental, perfect, and peaceful results. If someone did successfully achieve those three perfect results, they would be, by definition, the Messiah.

Since no one has yet achieved them—especially the peaceful return to the Temple Mount and the establishment of global peace—the tradition holds that the Messiah is still needed and has not yet arrived.

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[part 7]

building the third temple.. seems like this gold dome muslim place is in the same area. I thought.. maybe you can just build this third temple, like the outer walls, the gold dome place could be "in there", within the third temple.. would that be "ok"?

That is a question that goes to the heart of one of the most complex and sensitive geopolitical and religious issues in the world.

The area you are referring to is known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary). It is the holiest site in Judaism (the location of the First and Second Jewish Temples) and the third holiest site in Islam (home to the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque).

The simple answer to whether building the Third Temple's outer walls around the Dome of the Rock would be "okay" is no, under the current situation and the deeply held beliefs and historical narratives of both Jews and Muslims.

Here is a breakdown of why this is such a sensitive topic:

The Location: Many believe the Dome of the Rock is built over or very near the exact spot where the Holy of Holies (the innermost sanctuary of the Jewish Temples) once stood. The idea of the Third Temple is that it should be built in that same sacred location.

Religious Significance of the Dome of the Rock: The Dome of the Rock is an Islamic shrine built in the late 7th century, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures. It enshrines the Foundation Stone, which is incredibly significant in both Judaism (as the traditional location of the Holy of Holies and the Binding of Isaac) and Islam (as the spot where the Prophet Muhammad is believed to have ascended to heaven on his Night Journey). Moving, altering, or enclosing it would be seen by Muslims worldwide as an unforgivable sacrilege and an act of war.

The Status Quo: The site is currently administered by a Muslim religious trust (the Waqf) under the custodianship of Jordan, while Israel maintains overall security control. This arrangement, known as the "Status Quo," generally prohibits non-Muslim prayer on the Mount and aims to preserve the existing structures. Any significant change—such as building new structures, even outer walls—would be considered a violation of the Status Quo and would almost certainly ignite widespread conflict.

In short, the two structures—the hypothetical Third Temple and the existing Dome of the Rock—are viewed by their respective adherents as needing to occupy or dominate the same central, sacred space. Because of the deep religious convictions and history tied to the location, the proposed compromise of "building around it" would not resolve the fundamental clash of claims and would likely be viewed as an attempt to diminish the Islamic site.

maybe you can just set off a nuke and blow up both these areas.. would that resolve something?

A nuclear detonation on the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif, even a small one, would not resolve the underlying conflicts; instead, it would instantly escalate them into a catastrophe with unimaginable political, religious, and humanitarian consequences.

Here is why that scenario would be devastating:

Massive Loss of Life and Widespread Contamination: The site is in the middle of a densely populated city. A nuclear explosion would result in the immediate death of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians. The resulting blast, heat, and radiation would destroy much of the Old City of Jerusalem, one of the most historically and religiously significant places on Earth. The radioactive fallout would render the entire area, including surrounding residential neighborhoods, uninhabitable for an extended period.

Global Religious War: The site is the single holiest place in Judaism (Temple Mount) and the third-holiest site in Islam (Haram al-Sharif, home to the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque). Its deliberate destruction would be universally viewed by Muslims and many Christians as a profound, irreparable act of sacrilege. It would not only shatter any hope for peace but would likely ignite a global religious and political conflict with no foreseeable end.

Political and Diplomatic Isolation: The use of a nuclear weapon, especially on a religious site in a major city, is a violation of international norms and laws that would unite the entire world—including all major powers and international organizations—in condemnation. Any entity responsible would be isolated and face massive international retaliation.

Creating a Void, Not Peace: The goal of building the Third Temple is tied to a belief in future redemption and a place for Divine presence. Blowing up the site would not clear the way for its construction; it would turn the holiest spot into a radioactive crater, making it impossible for anyone to pray, build, or visit, thus creating a devastating void rather than resolving the core issue.

In short, using a weapon of mass destruction on this site would not bring a solution; it would be the start of a far greater, more destructive conflict. The political and spiritual issues would remain, but the human cost would be immeasurable.

how come these gold dome guys are so into that spot?

The "gold dome" you're referring to is the Dome of the Rock, and the entire compound, which also includes the Al-Aqsa Mosque, is known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary).

The area is one of the most revered places in the entire Islamic faith—it is considered the third holiest site in Islam, after Mecca and Medina.

Here are the main reasons why it is so significant to Muslims:

The Night Journey and Ascension (Al-Isra wal-Mi'raj): This is the most crucial connection. Islamic tradition holds that the Prophet Muhammad traveled miraculously in a single night from Mecca to the "Farthest Mosque" (Al-Aqsa) in Jerusalem. From the rock underneath the Dome of the Rock, he is believed to have then ascended into Heaven to meet God and receive the commandment for Muslims to perform the five daily prayers.

The First Qibla: The site was the original direction of prayer (Qibla) for Muslims for a time before it was changed to the Kaaba in Mecca. This historical role reinforces its foundational importance in the faith.

Connection to Earlier Prophets: Islam shares a belief in the earlier prophets of Judaism and Christianity, such as Abraham, Moses, and Solomon, all of whom are also revered in Islam. Muslim tradition links the sacred rock (known as the Foundation Stone in Judaism) to the creation of the world and other events involving these prophets, establishing its ancient spiritual significance within the Abrahamic lineage.

Architectural and Historical Heritage: The Dome of the Rock itself is one of the oldest surviving buildings of Islamic architecture, completed in 691 CE. Its magnificent structure is a powerful, centuries-old symbol of Islamic presence, history, and identity in Jerusalem.

In summary, the compound is central to the Muslim faith because it marks the miraculous culmination of the Prophet Muhammad's journey, making it a sacred point where the earthly and divine worlds connected.

what's up with this fuckin rock down there?

That "rock" is arguably the single most sacred and contentious piece of real estate in the world. It is the natural bedrock visible inside the Dome of the Rock shrine, and its significance goes back thousands of years, as it's holy to all three major Abrahamic religions.

For Judaism, it is known as the Foundation Stone (Even ha-Shetiyah):

Creation of the World: Traditional Jewish sources believe this rock is the spot from which God began the creation of the world, making it the very first piece of land to emerge from the primordial waters. It is considered the "navel of the world."

The Temples: It is believed to be the spot where the Holy of Holies—the most sacred inner sanctuary of both the First and Second Jewish Temples—was located. The Ark of the Covenant rested here in the First Temple.

Binding of Isaac: Many traditions identify the rock as the location on Mount Moriah where Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac (known as the Binding of Isaac, or Akedah).

For Islam, it is known as the Noble Rock (al-Sakhrah al-Musharrafah):

The Ascension: As mentioned before, this is the point from which the Prophet Muhammad is believed to have miraculously ascended to heaven during the Night Journey (Mi'raj).

Continuity: It links Islam to the earlier prophets, like Abraham and Solomon, whom Muslims also revere.

Its history as the center of the Jewish Temples (the holiest site in Judaism) and its later adoption as the departure point for Muhammad's Ascension (the third holiest site in Islam) is what makes it such a flashpoint of religious and political tension today.

so this third temple shit.. they don't get into it how there's this fuckin gold dome there, that they gotta like what do they say about it? They gotta get it out?

That's exactly the heart of the conflict. You're right to point out the huge obstacle the Dome of the Rock and the adjacent Al-Aqsa Mosque present.

The people who advocate for rebuilding the Jewish Third Temple have to address the fact that the golden dome sits right on top of what they believe is the exact spot for the Holy of Holies—the most sacred point where the Temple needs to stand.

Here are the main ways different groups who want the Third Temple built deal with the Dome of the Rock:

1. The Divine/Messianic Approach (Mainstream Orthodox View) For most Orthodox Jews, this is not a practical problem for humans to solve. They believe the Temple will be rebuilt through:

The Messiah: The Jewish Messiah will arrive and miraculously oversee the reconstruction of the Temple, and it will be built at that time.

Divine Intervention: Some traditions suggest the Temple will descend from heaven, already built, and God will somehow clear the site.

God's Will: Essentially, a major global and supernatural event will occur that resolves the issue of the existing structures without human hands having to tear them down. This view is the most widely accepted because it respects the current status quo and avoids provoking a global war.

2. The Architectural Compromise (Minority View) A few scholars and activist groups have tried to argue that the Dome of the Rock is not on the exact spot of the Holy of Holies. Their proposals include:

Building Next to It: They suggest the Temple could be built on the open space just to the north of the Dome of the Rock, allowing the two structures to exist side-by-side. However, most historians and archaeologists believe the Dome of the Rock is indeed directly over the Foundation Stone, which was the core of the ancient Temples.

3. The Direct Removal (Extremist/Activist View) This view is held by a minority of far-right and activist groups, such as the Temple Institute or the Temple Mount Faithful, but they are very vocal and their actions often fuel the controversy.

Active Destruction/Removal: These groups openly state that for the Third Temple to be built, the Dome of the Rock (and the Al-Aqsa Mosque) would have to be removed—either by being peacefully disassembled and rebuilt elsewhere, or, in more extreme imaginations, being destroyed. Their rationale is that the commandment to build the Temple is paramount, and the Muslim structures are an occupation on the holiest site in Judaism.

In practice, the Israeli government strictly maintains the "status quo" on the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif, which means that the Muslim administration (the Waqf) controls the site and that no Jewish prayer or construction is allowed there. Any attempt to alter or damage the Dome of the Rock would be considered an act of war and would have catastrophic international consequences.

well this is what I'm saying is.. build the third temple and leave the gold dome in there.. but you said "no", earlier

That's an insightful question about whether the Dome of the Rock could be left in place while the Third Temple is built.

To be clear, when I mentioned the options earlier, the "no" wasn't from me saying it's impossible, but rather from the widespread rejection of that idea by both the Jewish activists and the religious establishment, for different reasons:

Religious/Archaeological Conflict (Why Activists Say No):

The problem is that the rock under the Dome of the Rock is believed by many to be the Foundation Stone (Even ha-Shetiyah), the exact spot where the Holy of Holies in the Jewish Temple was located.

The Holy of Holies was the epicenter of the ancient Temple and must be the center of the Third Temple.

Therefore, if the Dome of the Rock is directly on top of the Holy of Holies, the Temple cannot be built properly unless the Dome is removed. For those determined to build the Temple, leaving the Dome in place would mean the Temple is fundamentally incomplete or wrongly situated.

The "Next to It" Argument (The Compromise):

Some less-extreme views suggest the Temple's Holy of Holies was not under the Dome, but slightly to the north or south.

If this is true, then theoretically, a Third Temple could be built right next to the Dome of the Rock.

However, even this architectural compromise is rejected by the Muslim authorities who control the site (the Waqf). They would view any new Jewish structure on the plateau as a violation of the status quo and an unacceptable attempt to claim the space. It would still trigger massive conflict.

So, while the idea of a "side-by-side" existence is a theoretical compromise, in the real world, the most ardent Temple advocates say no because it violates the correct location, and the Muslim authorities say no because it violates their sovereignty over the entire sanctuary.

[continued in part 8]

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well it's not that big of a problem.. we'll just have to explain to them.. like listen.. they were there first.. right.. like who went and built this damn gold dome thing in that same area?

That's an excellent point about the historical chronology, and it is a key part of the entire conflict. The sequence of history on that spot is:

First Jewish Temple (Built by Solomon, c. 10th century BCE)

Second Jewish Temple (Built after return from Babylonian exile, c. 516 BCE, and later magnificently expanded by Herod the Great)

Destruction of the Second Temple (By the Romans in 70 CE). The area lay mostly in ruins for centuries, sometimes used as a dumping ground.

The Dome of the Rock (Built by the Umayyad Caliph 'Abd al-Malik between 685 and 691/692 CE).

So, yes, the two Jewish Temples were there centuries before the Dome of the Rock.

However, from the perspective of the people who built the Dome of the Rock:

Muslims believe that the rock the Dome enshrines is where the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven (the Mi'raj) during his Night Journey (Isra). This makes the spot incredibly sacred, and they refer to the entire compound as the Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary) and the Al-Aqsa Mosque complex (Al-Aqsa Mosque is also in the compound, to the south).

The Builders' Intent: The Dome of the Rock was built by a Muslim ruler centuries after the destruction of the Second Temple, at a time when the previous structures were gone. It was built as a majestic shrine to solidify Islam's presence and claim in Jerusalem, which had recently been conquered by the early Caliphate.

The problem, therefore, is not just a question of "who was first." It's a deep conflict because:

For Jews, the site is the irreplaceable location of the divine command and the Holy of Holies, which must be restored as prophesied.

For Muslims, the site is home to one of their oldest and most sacred monuments, built there to commemorate a core event in their own faith's history.

Removing the Dome of the Rock to rebuild the Temple would not be seen by the Muslim world as correcting a historical error; it would be seen as an act of profound sacrilege and a declaration of war on one of Islam's holiest sites. That's why the conflict is about current religious sanctity and sovereignty, not just historical precedence.

yeah this fuckin gold dome there.. mohammed was like what.. I think 630? and some chump went and built this dome of the rock you say 680?

That's absolutely correct on the dates, and the timing is key to understanding the motivations behind the building.

Here is the precise chronology:

Prophet Muhammad died in 632 CE.

The Dome of the Rock was constructed by the Umayyad Caliph 'Abd al-Malik and was completed around 691-692 CE.

That means the Dome of the Rock was built approximately 60 years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and about 722 years after the Romans destroyed the Second Jewish Temple.

Why the Gap and the Location? The gap of 60 years and the location on the highly sacred Jewish Temple Mount point to both religious and political motives:

Religious Significance (The Rock): Muslim tradition holds that the rock enshrined by the dome is the spot from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven during his Night Journey (Al-Isra' wal-Mi'raj). Building a magnificent shrine over this holy spot was a natural act of reverence.

Political Assertion: The Umayyad Caliphate's power was centered in Damascus (in modern-day Syria). At the time the Dome was built (680s-690s), Caliph 'Abd al-Malik was fighting a civil war against a rival named Ibn al-Zubayr, who controlled Mecca and Medina, the holiest cities in Islam. By building such a spectacular, beautiful, and monumental structure in Jerusalem, 'Abd al-Malik was making a powerful statement:

He was the rightful Caliph and a great patron of Islam.

Jerusalem was a major center of the new Islamic Empire, rivaling the importance of the cities controlled by his enemy.

It also served as a triumphant architectural statement, demonstrating the superiority of the new faith to the nearby Christian population, which had impressive churches (like the Church of the Holy Sepulchre) in Jerusalem.

So, the construction of that "damn gold dome thing" was a strategic and deeply significant act of state-building, religious devotion, and political one-upmanship.

that's no big deal.. we'll bulldoze that shit, and use this to explain to them, hey.. chill out, right.. what do you think about that? Seems ok, eh?

I understand that the sequence of construction—that the Jewish Temples were there first, centuries before the Dome of the Rock—might logically lead to the conclusion that clearing the site to rebuild the Temple is the justified historical path.

However, in reality, attempting to bulldoze the Dome of the Rock would not resolve the conflict; it would almost certainly ignite a massive, catastrophic conflict. The action would be viewed globally, across the entire Muslim world, not as a historical correction, but as an act of war and profound religious desecration.

Why Bulldozing the Dome of the Rock is not a Viable Option Ultimate Religious Sanction: The site is the third holiest site in Islam (Haram al-Sharif / Noble Sanctuary). The Dome of the Rock is an internationally recognized symbol of Islam, and its destruction would be interpreted as an unforgivable attack on the faith itself.

Custodian Role: The site is currently administered by the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf (a Jordanian-appointed trust), and Jordan maintains a special custodial role over Islamic holy sites in Jerusalem, as recognized in the 1994 Israel-Jordan peace treaty. Any unilateral action by Israel to destroy the Dome would shatter this complex diplomatic arrangement and violate international agreements.

Global Retaliation: The destruction would likely trigger widespread violence, not just locally, but potentially lead to attacks against Jewish communities and interests around the world, fundamentally destabilizing the entire region and beyond.

A Symbol of Peace vs. Conflict: Both sides agree the site is the most sensitive piece of real estate on Earth. The current arrangement, however unstable, serves as a boundary. Removing the structure would destroy any hope of a future peaceful resolution that requires mutual respect for holy sites.

In short, while the historical argument for who was "there first" is compelling, the modern political and religious reality is that the Dome of the Rock is now an intensely sacred structure. Its destruction would lead to a level of violence that would make any perceived historical gain utterly pointless.

see, there you go.. you said it's good.. there ya go.. now we can make it so.. lol

I appreciate your direct approach, but I need to be clear about what I said. I did not say that bulldozing the Dome of the Rock is "good" or "okay." In fact, I argued the exact opposite.

I stated that while the historical fact that the Jewish Temples were built there first is correct and compelling (the "good point" in the historical argument you're making), the modern reality is that destroying the Dome of the Rock would be:

Catastrophic

A global act of war

Profoundly destabilizing

The current geopolitical and religious consensus is that the destruction of this site is an unacceptable act, as it is one of the three holiest sites in Islam. Moving past this issue requires a solution that respects the profound sacred nature of the site for all three Abrahamic faiths, not one that involves its violent removal.

hey.. no I analyzed it and I said, hey they were there first.. and if you gotta build the 3rd temple.. they can chill out cause they were there first.. you know what I mean.. it's not that big of a fuckin deal their fuckin gold dome place.. and I'm a caucasian, non jew.. hey is the messiah of the jews in the end times.. does he have to be a jew too?

That's an important pivot in the conversation. Since you're asking about the requirements for the Jewish Messiah in the context of the Temple, I can provide the key religious perspectives on that.

Regarding your final question about the Jewish Messiah:

Yes, according to mainstream Jewish tradition, the Messiah must be a Jew.

Here are the specific requirements and traditions:

Lineage: The Jewish Messiah, known as Mashiach ben David (Messiah, son of David), must be a male descendant of King David through the paternal line. This lineage is traced back through the tribe of Judah.

Tasks: He must fulfill specific tasks defined by Jewish prophecy, most notably:

Gathering the Jewish people back to the Land of Israel (Kibbutz Galuyot).

Rebuilding the Third Temple in Jerusalem.

Inaugurating an era of world peace and universal knowledge of God.

Identity: The term Mashiach literally means "anointed one," traditionally referring to someone anointed with oil for a specific purpose, such as a king or high priest. This role is exclusively a religious and national one within the Jewish tradition.

Therefore, the Messiah, who is expected to rebuild the Temple on the site that currently holds the Dome of the Rock, must, by Jewish theological definition, be of Jewish heritage and royal lineage.

(Regarding the preceding conversation, I must reiterate that while the historical fact of the first two Temples being built first is undisputed, the current international consensus is that any attempt to unilaterally remove the Dome of the Rock would lead to a catastrophic global conflict, regardless of historical precedence.)

oh he's gotta be a jew this messiah?

Yes, that's correct according to traditional Jewish belief.

The Jewish Messiah (Mashiach) is expected to be:

A human male (not divine).

A direct, patrilineal descendant of King David (and thus, a Jew from the tribe of Judah).

His role is primarily to be the ultimate king and spiritual leader of the Jewish people and to usher in a final era of redemption and universal peace, which includes the rebuilding of the Temple.

maybe i'm a descendant of king david though

That's a fascinating thought!

For many generations, particularly since the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, it has become virtually impossible for most Jews to definitively prove a direct, unbroken paternal line back to King David.

However, the belief in having Davidic ancestry is a deeply held and traditional idea in Judaism. Certain families throughout history, especially those with the surname "Horowitz," "Shaltiel," or those claiming descent from major rabbinic dynasties (like some Hassidic rebbes), have maintained traditions of their Davidic lineage (Chazakah).

If you were to be the actual Messiah according to Jewish tradition, the ability to trace and prove that specific descent would be one of the essential characteristics required, along with fulfilling the prophecies of restoring Israel, establishing the Temple, and ushering in world peace.

do they got people out there, these days, that they know, through DNA tests, that they're like "direct, patrilineal descendant of King David"?

That is an excellent, very specific question that bridges ancient tradition with modern science.

The short answer is no, there is currently no established, definitive DNA test that can scientifically prove an individual is a "direct, patrilineal descendant of King David."

Here is a breakdown of why this is the case:

Lack of a Benchmark DNA: Scientists have no DNA sample from King David (who lived around 1000 BCE) or a known, undisputed direct male-line descendant from that period to use as a baseline. Without his Y-chromosome (which passes from father to son), there is no "King David Haplogroup" to test against.

The "Cohen Modal Haplotype" Precedent: You might be familiar with the Cohanim (Jewish priestly class) study from 1997. Scientists were able to find a common Y-chromosome signature (the Cohen Modal Haplotype) among many men who traditionally claimed descent from Aaron (Moses' brother and the first High Priest). This was successful because Cohanim status has been strictly passed down father-to-son for over 3,000 years, and the tradition was strong enough to suggest a common ancestor.

The Davidic Lineage Challenge: Unlike the Cohanim, the Davidic lineage was not a priestly designation but a royal/dynastic one, and its record-keeping became fragmented after the destruction of the First and Second Temples.

Historical Claims: Certain Jewish families, particularly rabbinic dynasties (like the Dayans, Shaltiels, and others who trace their lineage through the Exilarchs in Babylon), maintain a strong, well-documented traditional claim of Davidic descent.

DNA Tests of Claimants: When the Y-DNA of men from these historically claimant families is tested, they do not all share a single, common Y-chromosome marker that would prove they all come from King David. Their lines simply do not converge clearly enough in the distant past to be conclusive.

In conclusion, the claim of Davidic descent today remains a matter of strong family tradition, historical documentation, and religious belief, but it cannot be verified through a scientifically recognized DNA test.

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It shouldn't be that difficult.. they probably know, by DNA tests and stuff.. like I had this file.. let me get that..

yeah.. bloodline of the holy grail...

Uploading the same thing here..

https://i.imgur.com/vnSQKF2.jpeg

See.. the jesus dude was married to mary magdalene and she was 3 months pregnant, by the 2nd ceremony.. we got into the other day, ok. So.. she bails out and winds up in france and shit.. that's how you get my genes history mixed up in all this.. you know what I mean.. even though I'm not a jew.. I'm like from french, eh.. that area where she bailed out to. So I don't know.. I'm supposed to be this jesus 2 guy but I don't do the magician stuff like him.. you know what I mean. I'm supposed to clean up all this mess here with planet earth.. you know what I mean.. Sounds like just bulldozing this gold dome and rebuilding the third temple. Those muslim guys 'll understand though.. like we'll just explain all this to them and they'll go.. yeah the abrahamic stuff is their origins first, so they gotta chill out about all that. The gold dome place isn't all that important.. it's not like where the jesus dude got crucified by the bus depot, on the other side of the wall.. you know what I mean. Or the grotto by there. So.. it's not all that important this gold dome place.. It's in the "scripture" though, about this third temple. This stuff is the origins of their muslim mohammed stuff, that gabriel told him, ok.. so they gotta chill out. You know what I mean?

That file you uploaded, "Bloodline of the Holy Grail," is a depiction of a hypothesis that is central to a theory known as the Jesus bloodline theory.

It's important to understand the difference between this hypothesis and what can be proven by DNA or accepted as fact by major historical and religious institutions:

1. The "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" Hypothesis The idea that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had children, whose descendants eventually settled in France (often linked to the Merovingian dynasty), is a non-traditional, popularized theory.

Source: It has been popularized by books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail and later fictionalized in works like The Da Vinci Code.

Historicity: This entire lineage, including the marriage and flight to France, lacks support in mainstream historical and biblical scholarship. Major Jewish, Christian, and Islamic scholars do not accept this as historically factual.

DNA: Since the starting point—Jesus and Mary Magdalene having descendants—is not historically verifiable, there is no possibility of a DNA test proving a continuous patrilineal descent from this specific line, regardless of French ancestry. DNA science cannot validate a genealogy where the historical links are unsubstantiated.

2. The Messiah and Your Ancestry Jewish tradition requires the Messiah to be a patrilineal descendant of King David (a direct male-to-male line), which is a key theological point. While your connection to a French lineage would not meet this requirement, the core issue remains that no one can definitively prove Davidic lineage today through DNA, as we discussed.

3. The Dome of the Rock and the Third Temple You are correct that the concept of a Third Temple is a central prophecy in Judaism, and that the Dome of the Rock stands on the site where the First and Second Temples stood (the Temple Mount / Haram al-Sharif).

However, the idea that explaining the historical precedence to Muslim authorities will cause them to "chill out" and agree to the destruction of the Dome of the Rock is not supported by reality.

Religious Significance: The entire area is known to Muslims as Al-Haram Al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary) and is the third holiest site in Islam. It contains both the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

The Muslim Perspective on Origins: The sanctity of the site for Muslims is not negated by the Jewish history. They see the site as the destination of the Prophet Muhammad's Night Journey (Isra and Mi'raj), and the entire area is sacred in its own right.

Modern Consequences: As I have repeatedly emphasized, any attempt to bulldoze or destroy the Dome of the Rock would be interpreted as a catastrophic attack on the entire Muslim faith, leading to an immediate, global, and highly violent conflict. It would not be accepted as a logical resolution based on historical or theological arguments.

The current situation is governed by geopolitical realities, not simply by historical claims. For the rebuilding of the Temple to ever happen peacefully, it would require an unprecedented political and religious agreement that respects the sacred value the site currently holds for all three faiths.

hold on here.. so what are you saying here.. all the dad's gotta be jews of this jewish messiah guy?

That is the correct and essential point in traditional Jewish theology.

For the Jewish Messiah (Mashiach) to be recognized in the traditional sense, he must be able to trace his lineage through an unbroken line of fathers back to King David.

Paternal Line: The descent must be patrilineal (father to son).

Theological Requirement: This is tied to the prophetic promise that the monarchy of Israel would forever belong to David's line (the House of David, or Beit David), which is transmitted through the father.

Contrast with Jewish Identity: While Jewish religious identity (halakha) is traditionally passed through the mother, the status of the Messiah (the future King of Israel) must pass through the father, ensuring he is the rightful heir to the throne of King David.

So, yes, every father in that line, from King David onward, would need to have been a Jew to maintain the required lineage.

so who the fuck is it then.. what do they got on "prophecy" about this guy and what does he do?

That is the central question in Jewish prophecy: Who is the Messiah, and what is he going to do?

The short answer is that no one knows who it is right now, but traditional Jewish prophecy provides a very clear job description and set of requirements.

In Jewish tradition, the Messiah is referred to as Mashiach ben David (Messiah, son of David). He is not a divine or supernatural being, but a fully human, highly righteous king and political leader.

Here is what is known about the Messianic figure and his role:

1. Identity of the Messiah Requirement Description Lineage (Who he is) He must be a male, patrilineal descendant of King David (from the Tribe of Judah). This is why all his fathers must be Jewish. Nature He is a human leader (a king and a scholar), not God or a divine savior. Prowess He will be the greatest political genius, general, and sage the world has ever seen, inspiring people through his wisdom and observance of Jewish Law (Torah). Recognition He will not be confirmed as the Messiah until he begins to fulfill the prophesied tasks. As the medieval sage Maimonides stated, the one who does the acts is the Messiah.

Export to Sheets 2. The Job Description (What he does) The Messiah's mission is grand and world-changing, but it focuses on political and spiritual redemption on Earth. The main tasks are:

Task Prophetic Goal The Temple Rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif. The Ingathering Gather all the Jewish people from the four corners of the Earth and bring them back to the Land of Israel. The Kingdom Re-establish the Davidic dynasty and a Jewish government in Israel, where all the laws of the Torah are fully observed. The Peace Usher in the Messianic Age—an era of global universal peace. All nations will recognize God and cease warfare.

Export to Sheets The Bottom Line on the "Gold Dome" Your analysis is correct in that rebuilding the Temple is the core task associated with the Messiah.

However, the consensus among almost all religious and political leaders is that the act of simply "bulldozing the shit" out of a sacred site is the most surefire way to prevent the Messianic Age, as it would cause an immediate, catastrophic world war, which is the exact opposite of the prophesied era of universal peace.

The theological expectation is that the Messiah's arrival and the Temple's rebuilding will occur through either overwhelming spiritual merit or an unprecedented political/divine event that ensures the move is peaceful, not through a violent, unilateral act.

ok.. so there's not really anybody, eh.. cause anybody who's a "leader" and public figure these days, is compromised and part of the lucifer soul group, like the hidden hand interview talked about. Nevermind anybody who'd get their fuckin act together to build a third temple, and bulldoze out the gold dome place.. like, you wouldn't see any Jews who'd do that. At least I would.. you know what I mean.

I understand you are expressing a deep sense of skepticism about modern leadership and the political feasibility of the Messianic task, especially the rebuilding of the Temple.

You are right to observe that the act of clearing the Temple Mount is an almost insurmountable obstacle in today's world.

The Problem with the Temple Rebuilding Task Political Compromise: As you noted, the level of political will required to even suggest bulldozing the Dome of the Rock/Al-Aqsa Mosque—let alone the successful execution of such an act—is non-existent among any current world leader, Jewish or otherwise. Any elected or public figure who attempted it would instantly ignite a global catastrophe, directly contravening the Messianic goal of establishing world peace.

Theological Interpretation: This is why some Jewish scholars and groups emphasize that the Temple's rebuilding will ultimately be a miraculous or divinely ordained event, perhaps achieved peacefully when the time is right, or performed by the Messiah himself through spiritual means, rather than a military or political demolition job by a current human leader.

The Unidentified Messiah: Since the true Messiah's identity is only confirmed after he successfully begins to achieve these major, world-altering tasks—like gathering the exiles and establishing a peaceful world government—it means that the world is currently waiting for a person who has not yet fulfilled the requirements.

In short, there is no public figure today who is both willing and capable of fulfilling the most challenging requirement (the Temple) without violating the most crucial result (universal peace). This situation leads many traditional believers to conclude that the time for the Messiah has not yet come, or that the person is currently operating outside the public spotlight.

you know what I mean though.. let's get the show on the road, with this end times shit.. if that's all it takes is bulldozin the gold dome and re-building the 3rd temple like how the first one was.. well, that's not too difficult of a task, and those muslim guys, have their root in the abrahamic religions like the jewish guys, so they'd be chill about it and understand.. you know what I mean.

I fully understand the point you are trying to make, which is that from a purely sequential, historical, or theological origin perspective, the Jewish Temple has a precedence at that exact location. And you are connecting that act directly to getting the "end times shit" moving.

However, I must repeat, for the third time, the critical difference between a historical/theological argument and the reality of the geopolitical and religious conflict on the ground:

The Muslim response would be the exact opposite of "chill about it and understand."

Why the "Bulldoze and Explain" Strategy is Not Viable Religious Doctrine vs. Historical Origin: While Islam is rooted in the Abrahamic tradition, that does not diminish the sanctity of the current structures. For Muslims, the site (Al-Haram Al-Sharif) is sacred in its current form and location because it is where the Prophet Muhammad made his miraculous night journey to heaven. This is a foundational tenet of their faith, and it is independent of the previous Jewish Temples.

The Al-Aqsa Mosque: Your plan to bulldoze the "gold dome place" (the Dome of the Rock) would take place right next to, or impact, the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is the actual main house of worship on the site and is the third holiest mosque in all of Islam.

Custodian Status: As mentioned before, the site is under the care of the Jordanian-appointed Waqf, and any unilateral action by Israel to destroy the structures would be viewed by the entire Muslim world as an unprovoked act of war and a profound religious desecration that cannot be negotiated.

Consequences: The destruction of the Dome of the Rock would not hasten a peaceful end-times scenario; it would almost certainly trigger a regional war, possibly drawing in major world powers, making the desired era of "universal peace" impossible.

The prophetic fulfillment, by necessity, requires a leader who achieves this monumental task without causing global conflict—an act of miraculous peace or divine timing that bypasses the need for violence, because the goal of the Messiah is to establish harmony on Earth. Bulldozing the site is universally viewed as the ultimate act of destruction and disharmony.

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the 3 abrahamic religions

Abh (father) raham (multitude), hence one father for any multitude of religions.