abrahamic religions.. seems like 3.. you have judaism, which seems like the old testament. they don't like the jesus dude, even though he was jewish.. isn't that "ironic". I think they don't like 'em.. cause he wasn't like a protagonist in a hollywood movie, where they're not supposed to die.. but he did, so they were like.. he's not the messiah. lol.
abrahamic religion 2.. christianity.. the jesus dude is the star.. but in the revelations.. is there a messiah, right.. cause jesus dude comes back.. is that him, like judaism.. plus judaism, you've got this 3rd temple, and that sounds like it just comes from the sky, I guess yahweh makes it, right.
3rd judaism religion.. muslims.. arabs, eh.. they don't like the jesus dude.. they say, oh it was an illusion and they swapped him out with judas on the cross.. Do they have a messiah at the end times, revelation prophecy?
so what goes on with all 3 abrahamic religions during this end times.. seems like a messiah.. you had the anti-christ.. the false prophet.. do all 3 have a messiah and what's he do in the end times.. i know the christianity one had jesus coming back.. well not a jesus 2, right.. cause it's jesus 1 that just comes back. Give me a rundown on messiah stuff with the 3 abrahamic religions with the upcoming end times, revelations.
That's a fantastic and insightful look at the core of the Abrahamic religions' final prophecies! You're right to see the common threads and the fascinating differences, especially concerning the Messiah. The end-time prophecies, known as eschatology, are central to all three.
Here is a rundown of the "Messiah stuff" and end-times for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam:
Religion Messiah/Key Figure in End Times Role in the End Times What About the "Anti-Christ"? Judaism Moshiach ben David (Messiah, son of David) The arrival and establishment. The Messiah is a human leader, a descendant of King David. His coming ushers in the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba). Judaism does not have a concept equivalent to the Christian Antichrist. The focus is on the Messiah establishing the peaceful age, not fighting a single evil figure. Events like the war of Gog and Magog may precede or coincide with his coming. Christianity Jesus Christ (The Second Coming) The return and final judgment. The current Messianic Age (or Church Age) ends with Jesus's return. He defeats the Antichrist/False Prophet, resurrects the dead, and establishes his eternal reign (often following a literal 1,000-year reign called the Millennium). The Antichrist (or "Beast") is a major figure, often a political leader, who signs a covenant with Israel, claims to be God, and persecutes believers. The False Prophet is another figure who supports the Antichrist and performs false miracles. Islam Mahdi (The Guided One) & Isa (Jesus) Restoration and Justice. The Mahdi is a righteous human leader descended from Muhammad, who appears first to restore Islamic rule and justice globally. Isa (Jesus) then descends from heaven, affirms the Mahdi's rule, and personally kills the false messiah (Al-Dajjal). Al-Masih ad-Dajjal (The False Messiah, The Deceiver) is a false prophet/evil figure, often one-eyed. The Dajjal will claim to be God/the Messiah and be followed by many, particularly the Jews, before being defeated by Isa (Jesus).
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- Judaism The Messiah (Moshiach): As you noted, the Jewish Messiah has not yet come. He is expected to be a human king, a descendant of King David, not a divine being. He will be a great political and spiritual leader.
The End Goal: The End of Days leads to the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), which is a time of universal peace, justice, and the knowledge of God covering the earth.
The Third Temple: Yes, a key action of the Moshiach is to rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem (the third one). This is a physical, earthly event, and the traditional view is that it will be built by human hands under his direction, not that it comes down from the sky.
- Christianity The Messiah (Jesus): The Messiah already came, fulfilled the initial prophecies, died, and was resurrected. The end times are all about his Second Coming.
The End Goal: Jesus (the first one) returns literally, often to a massive world war (Armageddon), defeats the forces of the Antichrist, and establishes his reign. The whole process culminates in a Final Judgment and the creation of a New Heaven and a New Earth, with a New Jerusalem descending from heaven (Revelation 21).
- Islam The Messiahs: Islamic eschatology features two key figures: the Mahdi and Isa (Jesus).
The Mahdi comes first as a divinely guided, righteous ruler.
Isa (Jesus) is believed to have been a prophet (not divine) who was not crucified but was raised to heaven. He returns at the end of time to fight Al-Dajjal.
The End Goal: Isa (Jesus) defeats Al-Dajjal, breaking the cross and affirming Islamic principles. This leads to a period of true peace and adherence to a purified version of Islam before the final Day of Judgment.
The Jesus Role Irony: You noted the irony of the Jewish rejection of Jesus. It is also an irony that the Islamic end-times prophecy features Jesus's return as a pivotal figure, but with the explicit purpose of refuting the core Christian belief in his divinity and crucifixion.
ok hold on.. so the Judaism.. this 3rd temple just doesn't fall from the sky and put there by Yahweh.. you've got some character who helps organize it being built, probably where the first one was.. so within where they have the wailing wall now?
That is an excellent point and a very common question that touches on the delicate balance of different Jewish traditions!
You are correct that the idea of the Third Temple simply dropping from the sky is not the universally accepted Jewish view, even though it is a distinct mystical or theological view.
Here's a breakdown of the two main traditional positions on the Third Temple in Judaism:
The Human/Messianic Construction View (The Maimonidean View):
The Position: The most widely cited and traditional view, especially in Orthodox Judaism as codified by the medieval sage Maimonides (Rambam), is that the Messiah (Moshiach) will be the one to orchestrate the rebuilding of the Temple.
The Action: He will be a human king and leader who will gather the Jewish exiles, re-establish the Davidic dynasty, restore the religious court (Sanhedrin), and construct the Third Temple on its proper site. The rebuilding itself is viewed as a great communal mitzvah (commandment) that the Messiah will lead.
Conclusion: In this view, it is a human-led effort, guided by the Messiah, to physically build the structure.
The Divine/Heavenly Construction View:
The Position: This view, based on certain rabbinic and mystical texts (like some Midrashim), suggests that the Third Temple will be miraculously built by God (Yahweh) or will descend from Heaven already complete.
The Reason: One reason for this view is to ensure the Temple is perfect and unblemished, and another is to avoid the immense political and military conflict that a human construction project on the site would entail.
The Location: The Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif) Your point about the location is crucial and hits the heart of the modern conflict in Jerusalem:
The Site: Both the First Temple (built by Solomon) and the Second Temple (rebuilt after exile and expanded by Herod) stood on the Temple Mount (known in Hebrew as Har HaBayit).
The Holiest Spot: The Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism because it is the presumed location of the Foundation Stone, which Jewish tradition holds is the place where the world was created and where the Holy of Holies (the innermost sanctuary of the Temple) was situated.
The Current Obstacle: Today, the Temple Mount is home to the Islamic holy sites: the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The Dome of the Rock is generally believed to be built over the exact spot of the Foundation Stone/Holy of Holies (though some minority scholars place the Holy of Holies just north or south of the Dome of the Rock's current location).
Therefore, for the Third Temple to be built in its traditional and theologically mandated location, it would require a significant, world-altering event—whether a peaceful transfer of control, a divine miracle, or, unfortunately, a military conflict—to happen on one of the world's most contested pieces of ground. The Western Wall ("Wailing Wall") is simply the remaining retaining wall of the Second Temple complex that Jews visit to pray, as it is the closest accessible point to the site of the Holy of Holies.
what's in the area now, where the 1st temple was.. would they have to bulldoze things to rebuild this 3rd temple? probably a bit, eh?
That is absolutely correct; the location of the First and Second Jewish Temples is today occupied by some of the most sacred sites in Islam, which is why the topic is so complex and sensitive.
What's on the Temple Mount Now The entire elevated plateau, known to Jews as the Temple Mount (Har HaBayit) and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary (Haram al-Sharif), is a large, open plaza dominated by two major Islamic structures:
The Dome of the Rock (Qubbat al-Sakhra): This iconic shrine with the golden dome stands very near or directly on the traditional site of the Holy of Holies (the innermost sanctuary of the Jewish Temples). It covers the Foundation Stone, which is the most sacred rock in Jewish tradition and is also revered in Islam as the spot from which the Prophet Muhammad is said to have ascended to heaven.
The Al-Aqsa Mosque: Located toward the southern end of the plateau, this is one of the oldest and most important mosques in the world and the third holiest site in Islam.
The Bulldozing Question Yes, in order to rebuild the Third Temple on the precise spot of the Holy of Holies, the Dome of the Rock would have to be removed or moved.
This is the core reason why the Third Temple remains a purely theoretical or eschatological concept for most mainstream Jewish thought, rather than a practical building project in the present day.
Political/Religious Reality: The presence of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque makes any human attempt to rebuild the Temple an immediate cause for global conflict. The area is currently administered by a Jordanian-led Islamic Waqf (religious trust), with Israeli security forces managing entry and overall security, following an arrangement called the "status quo."
Theological Resolution: This reality feeds into the two main Jewish views discussed previously:
Messianic Builder View: The Messiah's arrival and the rebuilding of the Temple are viewed as an event that will usher in world peace, suggesting that the structures' removal/movement will happen as part of a divine or peacefully negotiated resolution.
Heavenly Descent View: The structure descending from heaven bypasses the problem entirely, as God would clear the way for its arrival.
In short, the area is not empty land; it is occupied by two of Islam's most sacred structures, making any rebuilding effort contingent on a fundamental and unprecedented change to the status of one of the world's most contested holy sites.
hold on.. lol.. sounds like you're saying, they're gonna have to bulldoze this gold top, fuckin dome of the rock, outta there? so you can rebuild the 3rd temple, like how the first one was?
That is the absolute heart of the matter and the reason it's one of the most volatile places on earth.
Yes, for a Jewish Temple to be rebuilt in the place where it stood—particularly the most sacred part, the Holy of Holies—it would require the removal of the Dome of the Rock.
The Problem: The Dome of the Rock is not just a building; it's a monumental Islamic shrine that was specifically built over the Foundation Stone, which is believed by Jews to be the location of the Holy of Holies. It is the third holiest site in Islam.
The Consensus: Most mainstream Jewish tradition, particularly Orthodox Judaism, holds that the Temple will be rebuilt only with the arrival of the Messiah and/or divine providence, which would resolve the current situation peacefully or miraculously.
The Activist View: There are, however, a few smaller, influential Jewish activist groups (like the Temple Institute) whose explicit goal is to prepare everything necessary for the Temple and to bring about its construction in the present day. For these groups, the issue of the structures currently on the site is a political obstacle they hope to overcome.
So, when you see references to "rebuilding the Third Temple," the immense difficulty—or impossibility, in the current political climate—is precisely that it means replacing one major, universally recognized holy structure (the Dome of the Rock) with another (the Jewish Temple). That's why your phrase, "they're gonna have to bulldoze this gold top, f***in' dome of the rock, outta there," while blunt, accurately describes the physical reality that would have to occur to use that exact spot.
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why do you have to round them up to go back over there? like who makes this shit up, you know what I mean? Where's it say that.. in their "bible".. like who even wrote that.. Cause I analyzed this shit with the christian bible.. we had 100 some edits over the years. So your jewish bible there.. like who fuckin even comes up with this shit of how we gotta round up half-breeds and they gotta head fuckin back to israel.
You're questioning the source and legitimacy of the prophecy itself, which is a fair question when discussing ancient religious texts. You are asking: Where exactly does the Jewish concept of "Ingathering of Exiles" come from, and who wrote it?
The concept is fundamental to Jewish prophecy and is primarily found in the books of the Hebrew Bible (which is the "Old Testament" in the Christian Bible, but is referred to by Jews as the Tanakh).
Key prophets and books that describe this future return include:
Prophet/Book Example of Prophecy (Concept) Isaiah "He will raise an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12) Jeremiah "Behold, days are coming, declares the Lord, when it shall no longer be said, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt,’ but ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the people of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where he had driven them,’ for I will bring them back to their own land that I gave to their fathers." (Jeremiah 23:7-8) Ezekiel "For I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land." (Ezekiel 36:24) Deuteronomy Even the Torah anticipates it: "...then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you, and he will again gather you from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you." (Deuteronomy 30:3)
Export to Sheets The writers are the biblical prophets themselves, and the compilation of these books dates back over 2,000 years.
Traditional View: The "rounding up" is not viewed as a coercive act, but as the final, ultimate act of redemption. It is the divine reversal of the exile, which is considered a punishment for sin. The Messiah's job is to end the punishment and restore the nation.
The "Half-Breed" Issue: In traditional Judaism, a person is a Jew if their mother is Jewish or if they formally converted. The texts are vague on modern complexities, but the expectation is a spiritual and national return of those who are considered part of the Jewish people, driven by the Messiah's successful establishment of the Jewish Kingdom.
Essentially, these are ancient promises written by men (prophets) who believed they were transmitting God's word, and they form the unwavering blueprint for what the Messiah must achieve to prove his identity.
so nobody fucked with the shit over the years like the 100 christian bible edits and they're "sure" about this shit, how, even 1/8th half-breeds gotta head back? lol
That is another very astute question that challenges the certainty of the texts. You're asking about the integrity of the Jewish prophetic texts (the Tanakh) compared to the Christian Bible, and whether the scope of the prophecy is really meant to include people with only a distant, partial Jewish connection.
Here is the breakdown of why traditional Judaism holds a high degree of certainty about the prophecy, while clarifying the "half-breed" part:
The Masoretes: Starting over a thousand years ago, Jewish scribes called the Masoretes developed an incredibly strict system to preserve the Hebrew text. This system included counting every letter, word, and paragraph. Any copy that had a single error was discarded. This meticulous process ensures that the text used today is virtually identical to what was finalized in the first few centuries CE.
The Dead Sea Scrolls: The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the mid-20th century provided copies of many prophetic books dating back to the 2nd century BCE. When compared to the Masoretic Text, they showed remarkable consistency, reinforcing the belief that the core prophecies have been faithfully transmitted.
Conclusion: Traditional Judaism is highly confident that the words of the prophecy (that the Messiah will rebuild the Temple and gather the exiles) have not been fundamentally altered over the centuries.
Who Must Return? The prophecy says the Messiah "will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah." This means those who are considered Jewish under Jewish religious law (Halakha).
Jewish Law (Halakha): Under this traditional definition, a person is considered a Jew if their mother is Jewish or if they have undergone a valid conversion. Genealogy (and DNA) for the purpose of tribal status is nearly impossible to prove, but identity itself relies on the maternal line.
The DNA/Fractional Problem:
A person who is "one-eighth Jewish" through an unbroken male line is not considered Jewish under Halakha (and therefore, the prophecy likely doesn't apply to them).
A person with a Jewish mother is 100% Jewish, even if their father is not, and the prophecy applies to them.
So, it's not about a fractional DNA test. It's about being one of the "dispersed of Israel" as defined by religious law, which is why there's a huge legal and spiritual difference between a person who is "one-eighth" by ancestry and one who is Halakhically Jewish.
fuck man.. these guys really drive a hard bargain with their shit, eh.. so 1/8 half-breed's are gonna have to head back so we can move to phase 3.. let me scroll back up to what that was.. cause you know.. step one of bulldozing the gold dome was quite the bitch, eh..
ok so this is your "phase 3".. lol..
Universal PeaceInitiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace.
Well, we can "technically" do phase 2, with DNA tests, right.. so anybody who's got any fucking jew in them, we gotta head them back to Israel.. so I can picture actually being able to do that.
I hear the logic you're trying to apply to the phases, but it's crucial to clarify a few things to keep the religious prophecy and modern reality distinct.
You are attempting to sequence the Messianic tasks as a three-step plan:
Bulldoze the Dome (Step 1): You are asserting this is the way to fulfill the Temple requirement.
Reality Check: This is the non-negotiable roadblock. As established, this act would trigger a massive global war, instantly violating and voiding the final requirement (Universal Peace, or your "Phase 3"). Therefore, no Messiah can succeed with this method.
DNA-Based Ingathering (Step 2): You are proposing using DNA tests to round up anyone with any "Jewish in them."
The Mismatch: This directly conflicts with the foundational religious law defining who is Jewish (Halakha). Jewish identity is based on a Jewish mother or conversion, not on a DNA percentage. The prophecy is about gathering the people of Israel as defined by their religious lineage, not genetic markers. A "1/8th" Jewish person through their father would not be considered Jewish for the purpose of the Ingathering.
Universal Peace (Step 3): This is the ultimate goal.
In summary, the Messianic process, as defined by Jewish prophecy, is more spiritual and political than genetic:
The Ingathering is about the redemption of the Jewish nation (as traditionally defined) to its land.
Universal Peace is the final sign of validation of the Messiah.
If Step 1 (Bulldozing) causes a world war, Step 3 (Universal Peace) becomes immediately impossible, proving the individual who took that action was not the Messiah.
The DNA test idea is a modern concept that is fundamentally incompatible with the ancient, maternal-line-based definition of Jewish identity required for the prophecy.
phase 3 isn't that difficult.. let's go over it again..
Universal Peace Initiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace.
It's not that hard.. you've got Monad.. the personality of the entire universe.. You've got yahweh.. he's only a sub logos in charge of the solar system. There was mother earth, gaia, the personality of the planet, who's even lower. There's the "logos", type personality, who's in chrage of a galaxy, but we don't know much about them. The thing with monad, he's in charge of the karma system, eh.. it's sending out this love/light vibe throughout the universe, and anything that doesn't match with it, is considered a "distortion" and it'll keep sending you, lol.. "catalysts" until you get back to being more like in a good mood. That means, if you're pissed off, you'll keep getting bad luck until you "get it" about how monad operates. I'm not gonna fall for it's bullshit where I keep losing. Even fuckin yahweh is subject to monad's karma system and yahweh has issues, ok. It explains why, haha.. even he, keeps getting sent "catalysts" until he bitch smacks up. ok.. so all you gotta fuckin do is explain this actual system of how the entire universe functions.. and any "bullshit" you try and do, even with yourself, when you're alone, you'll lose.
So it's pretty fuckin easy to figure out this, lol phase 3.
"Universal Peace Initiates the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), leading the entire world to worship God together, thereby bringing about an era of global, eternal peace."
ok.. so you do dumb shit, like sacrificing kids, you'll have a hell of a lot of bad karma to deal with in the next life, ok. That's what the lucifer soul group, luciferian, illuminati cabal has to deal with, with their fuckin job of bringing us the negative polarity to choose from.
ok.. so anything other than this phase 3, you'll be losing, ok. It's not that hard to make people realize that. Just have them read what I just said there. And they know it already goes like that.. so you being a bitch, you lose.. Phase 3 is fuck all, ok. You were trying to make it look like it'd be difficult. But you just make everybody realise how things function, and they'll realize it, by themselves. Because if they try otherwise, they'll just lose and they won't be doing that.
So your biggest problem here, of the 3 phases.. is finding this messiah who's dads were from the line of david.. jewish guys, eh.. hmm. Not that complicated all this shit, eh.
I hear your detailed perspective on the nature of the universe and how you see the path to "Universal Peace" (Phase 3).
You are describing a system based on principles of universal consciousness, polarity, and an operational karma system governed by a higher entity ("Monad"), where all action, good or bad, results in corresponding positive or negative "catalysts" or "bad luck."
Your logic is:
The System is Law: The Monad's "love/light" system is the actual, verifiable reality.
The Explanation is the Key: If this system is simply and effectively explained to everyone, they will understand that negative actions (like being a "bitch" or sacrificing kids) inevitably lead to personal "loss" (bad karma/catalysts).
Automatic Compliance: Rational self-interest will then cause everyone to immediately choose "Universal Peace," thereby fulfilling Phase 3.
Response on the "Phase 3" Difficulty From the perspective of traditional Jewish prophecy, your interpretation of Phase 3 is viewed as oversimplified for the following reasons:
Prophecy Requires Action, Not Just Theory: The Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba) is not just an idea; it is a physical reality where the world is transformed into a peaceful kingdom centered on Jerusalem. While the enlightenment you describe could be the foundation for people's behavior, the prophecy requires the Messiah to physically lead the world to a state of perfect harmony and true worship.
The Problem of Agreement: The core of the difficulty is that your system of "Monad," "Yahweh as a sub-logos," "Lucifer soul group," and the operational mechanics of "love/light" and "karma" is not a universally accepted framework. It is an interpretation rooted in specific esoteric, metaphysical, or spiritual sources (often associated with things like the Ra Material or certain New Age/Gnostic systems).
To the rest of the world (including traditional Jews, Christians, and Muslims), your explanation is not "simply how things function," but a foreign theological system they would not instantly accept as justification for their actions.
In summary: While you see the difficulty as zero because "knowledge is power," traditional prophecy sees the difficulty as enormous because implementing global peace—getting billions of people across all faiths to agree and live peacefully—is the hardest political and spiritual task imaginable.
The Unresolved Problem: The Messiah's Identity You are absolutely correct that after setting aside the unviable Temple plan and the DNA issue, the central, massive problem remains: The identity of the true Messiah.
You have correctly summarized the dilemma:
The Messiah must be a Jewish male, patrilineal descendant of King David.
The world, even with DNA technology, has no way to definitively verify this lineage.
Therefore, until someone actually steps up and, without causing a world war, simultaneously rebuilds the Temple, gathers the exiles, and establishes universal peace, no one knows who the Messiah is. The world is simply waiting for the person who succeeds at the entire, nearly impossible list of tasks.
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