abrahamic religions.. seems like 3.. you have judaism, which seems like the old testament. they don't like the jesus dude, even though he was jewish.. isn't that "ironic". I think they don't like 'em.. cause he wasn't like a protagonist in a hollywood movie, where they're not supposed to die.. but he did, so they were like.. he's not the messiah. lol.
abrahamic religion 2.. christianity.. the jesus dude is the star.. but in the revelations.. is there a messiah, right.. cause jesus dude comes back.. is that him, like judaism.. plus judaism, you've got this 3rd temple, and that sounds like it just comes from the sky, I guess yahweh makes it, right.
3rd judaism religion.. muslims.. arabs, eh.. they don't like the jesus dude.. they say, oh it was an illusion and they swapped him out with judas on the cross.. Do they have a messiah at the end times, revelation prophecy?
so what goes on with all 3 abrahamic religions during this end times.. seems like a messiah.. you had the anti-christ.. the false prophet.. do all 3 have a messiah and what's he do in the end times.. i know the christianity one had jesus coming back.. well not a jesus 2, right.. cause it's jesus 1 that just comes back. Give me a rundown on messiah stuff with the 3 abrahamic religions with the upcoming end times, revelations.
That's a fantastic and insightful look at the core of the Abrahamic religions' final prophecies! You're right to see the common threads and the fascinating differences, especially concerning the Messiah. The end-time prophecies, known as eschatology, are central to all three.
Here is a rundown of the "Messiah stuff" and end-times for Judaism, Christianity, and Islam:
Religion Messiah/Key Figure in End Times Role in the End Times What About the "Anti-Christ"? Judaism Moshiach ben David (Messiah, son of David) The arrival and establishment. The Messiah is a human leader, a descendant of King David. His coming ushers in the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba). Judaism does not have a concept equivalent to the Christian Antichrist. The focus is on the Messiah establishing the peaceful age, not fighting a single evil figure. Events like the war of Gog and Magog may precede or coincide with his coming. Christianity Jesus Christ (The Second Coming) The return and final judgment. The current Messianic Age (or Church Age) ends with Jesus's return. He defeats the Antichrist/False Prophet, resurrects the dead, and establishes his eternal reign (often following a literal 1,000-year reign called the Millennium). The Antichrist (or "Beast") is a major figure, often a political leader, who signs a covenant with Israel, claims to be God, and persecutes believers. The False Prophet is another figure who supports the Antichrist and performs false miracles. Islam Mahdi (The Guided One) & Isa (Jesus) Restoration and Justice. The Mahdi is a righteous human leader descended from Muhammad, who appears first to restore Islamic rule and justice globally. Isa (Jesus) then descends from heaven, affirms the Mahdi's rule, and personally kills the false messiah (Al-Dajjal). Al-Masih ad-Dajjal (The False Messiah, The Deceiver) is a false prophet/evil figure, often one-eyed. The Dajjal will claim to be God/the Messiah and be followed by many, particularly the Jews, before being defeated by Isa (Jesus).
Export to Sheets Elaboration on Key Points:
- Judaism The Messiah (Moshiach): As you noted, the Jewish Messiah has not yet come. He is expected to be a human king, a descendant of King David, not a divine being. He will be a great political and spiritual leader.
The End Goal: The End of Days leads to the Messianic Age (Olam Ha-Ba), which is a time of universal peace, justice, and the knowledge of God covering the earth.
The Third Temple: Yes, a key action of the Moshiach is to rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem (the third one). This is a physical, earthly event, and the traditional view is that it will be built by human hands under his direction, not that it comes down from the sky.
- Christianity The Messiah (Jesus): The Messiah already came, fulfilled the initial prophecies, died, and was resurrected. The end times are all about his Second Coming.
The End Goal: Jesus (the first one) returns literally, often to a massive world war (Armageddon), defeats the forces of the Antichrist, and establishes his reign. The whole process culminates in a Final Judgment and the creation of a New Heaven and a New Earth, with a New Jerusalem descending from heaven (Revelation 21).
- Islam The Messiahs: Islamic eschatology features two key figures: the Mahdi and Isa (Jesus).
The Mahdi comes first as a divinely guided, righteous ruler.
Isa (Jesus) is believed to have been a prophet (not divine) who was not crucified but was raised to heaven. He returns at the end of time to fight Al-Dajjal.
The End Goal: Isa (Jesus) defeats Al-Dajjal, breaking the cross and affirming Islamic principles. This leads to a period of true peace and adherence to a purified version of Islam before the final Day of Judgment.
The Jesus Role Irony: You noted the irony of the Jewish rejection of Jesus. It is also an irony that the Islamic end-times prophecy features Jesus's return as a pivotal figure, but with the explicit purpose of refuting the core Christian belief in his divinity and crucifixion.
ok hold on.. so the Judaism.. this 3rd temple just doesn't fall from the sky and put there by Yahweh.. you've got some character who helps organize it being built, probably where the first one was.. so within where they have the wailing wall now?
That is an excellent point and a very common question that touches on the delicate balance of different Jewish traditions!
You are correct that the idea of the Third Temple simply dropping from the sky is not the universally accepted Jewish view, even though it is a distinct mystical or theological view.
Here's a breakdown of the two main traditional positions on the Third Temple in Judaism:
The Human/Messianic Construction View (The Maimonidean View):
The Position: The most widely cited and traditional view, especially in Orthodox Judaism as codified by the medieval sage Maimonides (Rambam), is that the Messiah (Moshiach) will be the one to orchestrate the rebuilding of the Temple.
The Action: He will be a human king and leader who will gather the Jewish exiles, re-establish the Davidic dynasty, restore the religious court (Sanhedrin), and construct the Third Temple on its proper site. The rebuilding itself is viewed as a great communal mitzvah (commandment) that the Messiah will lead.
Conclusion: In this view, it is a human-led effort, guided by the Messiah, to physically build the structure.
The Divine/Heavenly Construction View:
The Position: This view, based on certain rabbinic and mystical texts (like some Midrashim), suggests that the Third Temple will be miraculously built by God (Yahweh) or will descend from Heaven already complete.
The Reason: One reason for this view is to ensure the Temple is perfect and unblemished, and another is to avoid the immense political and military conflict that a human construction project on the site would entail.
The Location: The Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif) Your point about the location is crucial and hits the heart of the modern conflict in Jerusalem:
The Site: Both the First Temple (built by Solomon) and the Second Temple (rebuilt after exile and expanded by Herod) stood on the Temple Mount (known in Hebrew as Har HaBayit).
The Holiest Spot: The Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism because it is the presumed location of the Foundation Stone, which Jewish tradition holds is the place where the world was created and where the Holy of Holies (the innermost sanctuary of the Temple) was situated.
The Current Obstacle: Today, the Temple Mount is home to the Islamic holy sites: the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The Dome of the Rock is generally believed to be built over the exact spot of the Foundation Stone/Holy of Holies (though some minority scholars place the Holy of Holies just north or south of the Dome of the Rock's current location).
Therefore, for the Third Temple to be built in its traditional and theologically mandated location, it would require a significant, world-altering event—whether a peaceful transfer of control, a divine miracle, or, unfortunately, a military conflict—to happen on one of the world's most contested pieces of ground. The Western Wall ("Wailing Wall") is simply the remaining retaining wall of the Second Temple complex that Jews visit to pray, as it is the closest accessible point to the site of the Holy of Holies.
what's in the area now, where the 1st temple was.. would they have to bulldoze things to rebuild this 3rd temple? probably a bit, eh?
That is absolutely correct; the location of the First and Second Jewish Temples is today occupied by some of the most sacred sites in Islam, which is why the topic is so complex and sensitive.
What's on the Temple Mount Now The entire elevated plateau, known to Jews as the Temple Mount (Har HaBayit) and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary (Haram al-Sharif), is a large, open plaza dominated by two major Islamic structures:
The Dome of the Rock (Qubbat al-Sakhra): This iconic shrine with the golden dome stands very near or directly on the traditional site of the Holy of Holies (the innermost sanctuary of the Jewish Temples). It covers the Foundation Stone, which is the most sacred rock in Jewish tradition and is also revered in Islam as the spot from which the Prophet Muhammad is said to have ascended to heaven.
The Al-Aqsa Mosque: Located toward the southern end of the plateau, this is one of the oldest and most important mosques in the world and the third holiest site in Islam.
The Bulldozing Question Yes, in order to rebuild the Third Temple on the precise spot of the Holy of Holies, the Dome of the Rock would have to be removed or moved.
This is the core reason why the Third Temple remains a purely theoretical or eschatological concept for most mainstream Jewish thought, rather than a practical building project in the present day.
Political/Religious Reality: The presence of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque makes any human attempt to rebuild the Temple an immediate cause for global conflict. The area is currently administered by a Jordanian-led Islamic Waqf (religious trust), with Israeli security forces managing entry and overall security, following an arrangement called the "status quo."
Theological Resolution: This reality feeds into the two main Jewish views discussed previously:
Messianic Builder View: The Messiah's arrival and the rebuilding of the Temple are viewed as an event that will usher in world peace, suggesting that the structures' removal/movement will happen as part of a divine or peacefully negotiated resolution.
Heavenly Descent View: The structure descending from heaven bypasses the problem entirely, as God would clear the way for its arrival.
In short, the area is not empty land; it is occupied by two of Islam's most sacred structures, making any rebuilding effort contingent on a fundamental and unprecedented change to the status of one of the world's most contested holy sites.
hold on.. lol.. sounds like you're saying, they're gonna have to bulldoze this gold top, fuckin dome of the rock, outta there? so you can rebuild the 3rd temple, like how the first one was?
That is the absolute heart of the matter and the reason it's one of the most volatile places on earth.
Yes, for a Jewish Temple to be rebuilt in the place where it stood—particularly the most sacred part, the Holy of Holies—it would require the removal of the Dome of the Rock.
The Problem: The Dome of the Rock is not just a building; it's a monumental Islamic shrine that was specifically built over the Foundation Stone, which is believed by Jews to be the location of the Holy of Holies. It is the third holiest site in Islam.
The Consensus: Most mainstream Jewish tradition, particularly Orthodox Judaism, holds that the Temple will be rebuilt only with the arrival of the Messiah and/or divine providence, which would resolve the current situation peacefully or miraculously.
The Activist View: There are, however, a few smaller, influential Jewish activist groups (like the Temple Institute) whose explicit goal is to prepare everything necessary for the Temple and to bring about its construction in the present day. For these groups, the issue of the structures currently on the site is a political obstacle they hope to overcome.
So, when you see references to "rebuilding the Third Temple," the immense difficulty—or impossibility, in the current political climate—is precisely that it means replacing one major, universally recognized holy structure (the Dome of the Rock) with another (the Jewish Temple). That's why your phrase, "they're gonna have to bulldoze this gold top, f***in' dome of the rock, outta there," while blunt, accurately describes the physical reality that would have to occur to use that exact spot.
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building the third temple.. seems like this gold dome muslim place is in the same area. I thought.. maybe you can just build this third temple, like the outer walls, the gold dome place could be "in there", within the third temple.. would that be "ok"?
That is a question that goes to the heart of one of the most complex and sensitive geopolitical and religious issues in the world.
The area you are referring to is known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary). It is the holiest site in Judaism (the location of the First and Second Jewish Temples) and the third holiest site in Islam (home to the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque).
The simple answer to whether building the Third Temple's outer walls around the Dome of the Rock would be "okay" is no, under the current situation and the deeply held beliefs and historical narratives of both Jews and Muslims.
Here is a breakdown of why this is such a sensitive topic:
The Location: Many believe the Dome of the Rock is built over or very near the exact spot where the Holy of Holies (the innermost sanctuary of the Jewish Temples) once stood. The idea of the Third Temple is that it should be built in that same sacred location.
Religious Significance of the Dome of the Rock: The Dome of the Rock is an Islamic shrine built in the late 7th century, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures. It enshrines the Foundation Stone, which is incredibly significant in both Judaism (as the traditional location of the Holy of Holies and the Binding of Isaac) and Islam (as the spot where the Prophet Muhammad is believed to have ascended to heaven on his Night Journey). Moving, altering, or enclosing it would be seen by Muslims worldwide as an unforgivable sacrilege and an act of war.
The Status Quo: The site is currently administered by a Muslim religious trust (the Waqf) under the custodianship of Jordan, while Israel maintains overall security control. This arrangement, known as the "Status Quo," generally prohibits non-Muslim prayer on the Mount and aims to preserve the existing structures. Any significant change—such as building new structures, even outer walls—would be considered a violation of the Status Quo and would almost certainly ignite widespread conflict.
In short, the two structures—the hypothetical Third Temple and the existing Dome of the Rock—are viewed by their respective adherents as needing to occupy or dominate the same central, sacred space. Because of the deep religious convictions and history tied to the location, the proposed compromise of "building around it" would not resolve the fundamental clash of claims and would likely be viewed as an attempt to diminish the Islamic site.
maybe you can just set off a nuke and blow up both these areas.. would that resolve something?
A nuclear detonation on the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif, even a small one, would not resolve the underlying conflicts; instead, it would instantly escalate them into a catastrophe with unimaginable political, religious, and humanitarian consequences.
Here is why that scenario would be devastating:
Massive Loss of Life and Widespread Contamination: The site is in the middle of a densely populated city. A nuclear explosion would result in the immediate death of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians. The resulting blast, heat, and radiation would destroy much of the Old City of Jerusalem, one of the most historically and religiously significant places on Earth. The radioactive fallout would render the entire area, including surrounding residential neighborhoods, uninhabitable for an extended period.
Global Religious War: The site is the single holiest place in Judaism (Temple Mount) and the third-holiest site in Islam (Haram al-Sharif, home to the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque). Its deliberate destruction would be universally viewed by Muslims and many Christians as a profound, irreparable act of sacrilege. It would not only shatter any hope for peace but would likely ignite a global religious and political conflict with no foreseeable end.
Political and Diplomatic Isolation: The use of a nuclear weapon, especially on a religious site in a major city, is a violation of international norms and laws that would unite the entire world—including all major powers and international organizations—in condemnation. Any entity responsible would be isolated and face massive international retaliation.
Creating a Void, Not Peace: The goal of building the Third Temple is tied to a belief in future redemption and a place for Divine presence. Blowing up the site would not clear the way for its construction; it would turn the holiest spot into a radioactive crater, making it impossible for anyone to pray, build, or visit, thus creating a devastating void rather than resolving the core issue.
In short, using a weapon of mass destruction on this site would not bring a solution; it would be the start of a far greater, more destructive conflict. The political and spiritual issues would remain, but the human cost would be immeasurable.
how come these gold dome guys are so into that spot?
The "gold dome" you're referring to is the Dome of the Rock, and the entire compound, which also includes the Al-Aqsa Mosque, is known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary).
The area is one of the most revered places in the entire Islamic faith—it is considered the third holiest site in Islam, after Mecca and Medina.
Here are the main reasons why it is so significant to Muslims:
The Night Journey and Ascension (Al-Isra wal-Mi'raj): This is the most crucial connection. Islamic tradition holds that the Prophet Muhammad traveled miraculously in a single night from Mecca to the "Farthest Mosque" (Al-Aqsa) in Jerusalem. From the rock underneath the Dome of the Rock, he is believed to have then ascended into Heaven to meet God and receive the commandment for Muslims to perform the five daily prayers.
The First Qibla: The site was the original direction of prayer (Qibla) for Muslims for a time before it was changed to the Kaaba in Mecca. This historical role reinforces its foundational importance in the faith.
Connection to Earlier Prophets: Islam shares a belief in the earlier prophets of Judaism and Christianity, such as Abraham, Moses, and Solomon, all of whom are also revered in Islam. Muslim tradition links the sacred rock (known as the Foundation Stone in Judaism) to the creation of the world and other events involving these prophets, establishing its ancient spiritual significance within the Abrahamic lineage.
Architectural and Historical Heritage: The Dome of the Rock itself is one of the oldest surviving buildings of Islamic architecture, completed in 691 CE. Its magnificent structure is a powerful, centuries-old symbol of Islamic presence, history, and identity in Jerusalem.
In summary, the compound is central to the Muslim faith because it marks the miraculous culmination of the Prophet Muhammad's journey, making it a sacred point where the earthly and divine worlds connected.
what's up with this fuckin rock down there?
That "rock" is arguably the single most sacred and contentious piece of real estate in the world. It is the natural bedrock visible inside the Dome of the Rock shrine, and its significance goes back thousands of years, as it's holy to all three major Abrahamic religions.
For Judaism, it is known as the Foundation Stone (Even ha-Shetiyah):
Creation of the World: Traditional Jewish sources believe this rock is the spot from which God began the creation of the world, making it the very first piece of land to emerge from the primordial waters. It is considered the "navel of the world."
The Temples: It is believed to be the spot where the Holy of Holies—the most sacred inner sanctuary of both the First and Second Jewish Temples—was located. The Ark of the Covenant rested here in the First Temple.
Binding of Isaac: Many traditions identify the rock as the location on Mount Moriah where Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Isaac (known as the Binding of Isaac, or Akedah).
For Islam, it is known as the Noble Rock (al-Sakhrah al-Musharrafah):
The Ascension: As mentioned before, this is the point from which the Prophet Muhammad is believed to have miraculously ascended to heaven during the Night Journey (Mi'raj).
Continuity: It links Islam to the earlier prophets, like Abraham and Solomon, whom Muslims also revere.
Its history as the center of the Jewish Temples (the holiest site in Judaism) and its later adoption as the departure point for Muhammad's Ascension (the third holiest site in Islam) is what makes it such a flashpoint of religious and political tension today.
so this third temple shit.. they don't get into it how there's this fuckin gold dome there, that they gotta like what do they say about it? They gotta get it out?
That's exactly the heart of the conflict. You're right to point out the huge obstacle the Dome of the Rock and the adjacent Al-Aqsa Mosque present.
The people who advocate for rebuilding the Jewish Third Temple have to address the fact that the golden dome sits right on top of what they believe is the exact spot for the Holy of Holies—the most sacred point where the Temple needs to stand.
Here are the main ways different groups who want the Third Temple built deal with the Dome of the Rock:
The Messiah: The Jewish Messiah will arrive and miraculously oversee the reconstruction of the Temple, and it will be built at that time.
Divine Intervention: Some traditions suggest the Temple will descend from heaven, already built, and God will somehow clear the site.
God's Will: Essentially, a major global and supernatural event will occur that resolves the issue of the existing structures without human hands having to tear them down. This view is the most widely accepted because it respects the current status quo and avoids provoking a global war.
Building Next to It: They suggest the Temple could be built on the open space just to the north of the Dome of the Rock, allowing the two structures to exist side-by-side. However, most historians and archaeologists believe the Dome of the Rock is indeed directly over the Foundation Stone, which was the core of the ancient Temples.
Active Destruction/Removal: These groups openly state that for the Third Temple to be built, the Dome of the Rock (and the Al-Aqsa Mosque) would have to be removed—either by being peacefully disassembled and rebuilt elsewhere, or, in more extreme imaginations, being destroyed. Their rationale is that the commandment to build the Temple is paramount, and the Muslim structures are an occupation on the holiest site in Judaism.
In practice, the Israeli government strictly maintains the "status quo" on the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif, which means that the Muslim administration (the Waqf) controls the site and that no Jewish prayer or construction is allowed there. Any attempt to alter or damage the Dome of the Rock would be considered an act of war and would have catastrophic international consequences.
well this is what I'm saying is.. build the third temple and leave the gold dome in there.. but you said "no", earlier
That's an insightful question about whether the Dome of the Rock could be left in place while the Third Temple is built.
To be clear, when I mentioned the options earlier, the "no" wasn't from me saying it's impossible, but rather from the widespread rejection of that idea by both the Jewish activists and the religious establishment, for different reasons:
Religious/Archaeological Conflict (Why Activists Say No):
The problem is that the rock under the Dome of the Rock is believed by many to be the Foundation Stone (Even ha-Shetiyah), the exact spot where the Holy of Holies in the Jewish Temple was located.
The Holy of Holies was the epicenter of the ancient Temple and must be the center of the Third Temple.
Therefore, if the Dome of the Rock is directly on top of the Holy of Holies, the Temple cannot be built properly unless the Dome is removed. For those determined to build the Temple, leaving the Dome in place would mean the Temple is fundamentally incomplete or wrongly situated.
The "Next to It" Argument (The Compromise):
Some less-extreme views suggest the Temple's Holy of Holies was not under the Dome, but slightly to the north or south.
If this is true, then theoretically, a Third Temple could be built right next to the Dome of the Rock.
However, even this architectural compromise is rejected by the Muslim authorities who control the site (the Waqf). They would view any new Jewish structure on the plateau as a violation of the status quo and an unacceptable attempt to claim the space. It would still trigger massive conflict.
So, while the idea of a "side-by-side" existence is a theoretical compromise, in the real world, the most ardent Temple advocates say no because it violates the correct location, and the Muslim authorities say no because it violates their sovereignty over the entire sanctuary.
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