You mistake Christians and Nationalists. They do nothing to diminish Christian worth, even support the Church and Christian nations as Israeli Empire states -- the burden is nationalists who also happen to be Christians within these states.
Either be a compliant Christian and non-Jew servant to Jews (as is in the Talmund) or you must be destroyed.
Do not mistake their goals as whole about Christianity -- which is also the red flag about Christianity.
Christianity clearly states that one who have some relations with person who practicise Judaism or visited sinagogue should be excommunicated (temporary or constantly, depending on type of relation), since Jews are children of Satan and all that stuff.
Christian can't be compliant to the Jews because by this compliance he excommunicate itself from Christianity.
Setting aside that these doctrines are often decades and centuries older than the timeline of Christ, even church scholars admit there is no good evidence of verifying events -- especially when timelines are so abstract between scriptures.
For fucks sake, Christians do not even celebrate on the correct dates. Xmas was not in Winter. Easter was not in early Spring. These were Pagan adaptations.
Do you believe in Revelations or Genesis even tho they are admitted dreams and visions, not communicated by whom Christians worship?
As for Jews --> no where does it convey Jews but rather specifically those who betrayed the dogmas of God's will and instead lust for xyz. So literally any one and every one.
Repeating the same lies over and over doesn’t make them true. Go back to shutting the fuck up about things you don’t understand and leaving Christianity to the people who’ve actually read the Bible.
Have experienced just about every denomination of nearly every religions' gathering in some form in countless places around the world. (Many against my interests but were obligations -- not some thing Christians do which is odd considering your wrath about devotion --> pretty stale)
Grew up with devote Methodists.
Went to Sunday School as a child.
The difference between you and ayh IS experience and ayh grew from it -- you never moved an inch.
I could post my list. It is eerily similar to yours in some aspects but I’ve come to a different conclusion than you. I’m genuinely interested in why. Based on your comment(s), my best guess is that the church poisoned you and your relationship with God. It did the same to me for a while (mostly because of Baptists), but you must separate God from man and recognize that the church has been corrupted beyond repair by man, not God. Ultimately, you only answer to God for yourself and those under your care, so the church is dead to me.
Ayh watched the behavior of my mother explicitly -- and her blind ignorance is bliss blasé attitude about some of the most complex unverifiable elements in religion.
Here is the contradiction of rearing a child while promoting religion. You instill in your child understanding the tangible -- "this is a xyz" "if some one does xyz then xyz" "no this won't happen bcz xyz" and countless real world boundaries so you can anticipate things (if it is a good parent).
At the same time, then that parent teaches you to ignore these proofs in the case of faith. You must suspend reality of what you were explicitly taught so as so survive -- so that you may enter another place you can not visit/see/feel/verify.
Ayh think engineers are probably the least religious in civilization bcz they inherently conduct themselves with tangible perspectives -- things must equate to values so as to function in a recognizable way.
Ayh then had the luxury of experiencing numerous permutations of as you say "people's relationships with God" and they all requires abstraction from norms.
The math never added up very early bcz ayh exist ultimately, on the basis of proof. Or at least strive for it -- which is why we come to these forums -- which is why it is extraordinary that so many people who come to forums to dispute the abstract then prescribe to their own abstract and do not see the irony.
I didn’t downvote you. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Out of curiosity, what were/are some of the “complex, unverifiable elements in religion” that your mother believed? You don’t have to believe me but most of my (remaining adult) family members are all STEM-related leaders in their fields, including civil engineers, atmospheric scientists, mathematicians, etc. Additionally, those same leaders are reiki practitioners, astral projectors, nature healers, and psychics, and are involved in other less grounded “science-ish” fields. Generally, most of us are religious (but definitely not all “Christian”) and rely on faith-based religious ideas to grow spiritually. Being grounded in facts doesn’t mean you can’t be religious. Interestingly enough, the family members who were not religious have died off the past few years due to substance abuse, depression, faith in “experts”, etc. Faith grounds and guides our decisions. As I mentioned earlier, I believe the church today is not in line with God’s teachings and we no longer attend church. I view my family as the church and it is my responsibility to guide the younger members of the family in real science (STEM), God’s teachings, and where those two areas intertwine.
I can acknowledge that aspects of my religious beliefs are difficult to prove and are faith-based. That’s what religion and faith are, God even acknowledges this. We can’t be 100% grounded in the established sciences and stop there. We are on a conspiracies forum because we are seeking more that isn’t widely accepted, understood, proveable, etc. But there is scientific proof that God does indeed exist, Biblical event confirmation also exists. We are told lies from a very young age to deny God’s creation, to deny spiritual healing and growth. Why
do you think that is? Your enemies believe in spiritual warfare and dark forces, those are faith-based ideas. I think it’s wise to acknowledge their beliefs and to counteract them with truth, good will, and light. Also, fuck our enemies because Christ is King. Our grandparent’s religion and church were too simple-minded and kind to those who want to cause harm to good people.
From my perspective, the Bible and God cannot be disproven and, from my years on this Earth, there has to be more to life than just living, dying and that’s it.
Neat, so you were lied to your whole life and never grew out of the lies. Thanks for confirming. Bible says jews are damned for eternity. You know nothing.
Just curious -- which of these do you follow from the Bible, your doctrine for life -->
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. (1 Peter 2:18)
No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord. (Deuteronomy 23:1)
Stone your daughter for losing virginity before marriage? (Deuteronomy 22:20–21)
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9)
Have you killed any sorceresses lately? (Exodus 22:18)
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. (Leviticus 19:19)
Do you avoid lobster, crab, shrimp? (Leviticus 9:10)
Do you own slaves? (Ephesians 6:5)
When was your last donation? (Luke 3:11)
Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place. (Ephesians 5:4)
Can you humble your self to the fact you do not follow 75% of what the Bible says that was written over hundreds of years?
No.. bcz you are clung to this conditioning and will not surrender the fantasy that comforts you despite the reality being that no where does believing in God save you from any thing.
Exactly. Christianity is, as Nietzsche said, a Jewish revenge.
As a continuation of the Jewish Roman war the Jews subverted Rome with their Christianity nonsense and Rome then forced European peoples into giving up their own gods and religions to instead worship the god of Israel and to believe that Jews are the god of Israel’s chosen people.
Jesus’ advice is shit, designed to instil meekness and feebleness in the persecuted and to coerce the goyim aka non Jews into loving their persecutors aka the Jews, and convincing them into willingly giving to their persecutors more than they even demand.
Oh, and also convincing goyim that their heads will be lopped off for their support of Christ, but not to worry - that’s a good thing! You’ll be rewarded for it after your life is over. Also, everyone who is in a position of power is there because they are ordained by the lord god of Israel, so pay your taxes goy!
The man made religion of Christianity is largely a psy-op but not in the way you’d think. It isn’t a government “religion is the opiate of the masses” type of psy-op most suggest, but it has been used that way for sure.
I’d contend that there is a true expression of the faith that the Bible teaches, and that Jesus taught, that’s been covered up by those in power, whether that means intentionally by your deep state/royal families and hardcore zionists or laymen, pastors and scholars who unknowingly stuff the truth in a sack for the sake of man made religious traditions and teachings.
Either way, when “we” reflect on Christianity, I come to the conclusion that the majority of people who touch a Bible only get half the truth because of false religion that supersedes what the Bible itself says. So much so that while I’ve been around Christian’s for most of my life, I’ve only found a few that actually took the Bible at face value, examined the actual historical context of the letters, including their place in the whole biblical narrative and the significance of the original languages, and would not allow man made traditions and theological doctrine and interpreters bias decide what’s true and what isn’t.
Id probably contend that your understanding of Christianity being a psy-op is closer to the truth then most Christian’s want to admit, but that doesn’t mean that’s the end of the discussion. Modern day Christianity, in particular Catholicism but also a major portion of Protestantism, is essentially a straw man in comparison to the true faith taught by the Messiah.
there’s too much archaeological and historic evidence for the biblical story to simply brush it aside if you’re studying the subject sincerely. They found pharaohs golden chariots on an under water land bridge in the Red Sea, the found Noah’s ark in the mountains of Ararat, they found sodom and Gomorrah destroyed and confirmed the balls of fire through scientific inquiry, they found the ark of the covenant with blood that is still living with the DNA matching what we’d expect of the Messiah and the virgin birth story, this was found under the place Jesus was crucified where the scriptures report the earth splitting, where the ark was buried. They’ve come up with evidence suggesting the biblical creation and following flood story is supported not just through other cultures worldwide but by the geography of our planet itself. None of this is common knowledge, but the evidence itself all supports the biblical narrative, just not the resulting religion that men decided should precede the teachings of Christ.
there’s too much intentional watering down of “Bible truth” with pagan idolatry celebrated by satanists the world over to be a coincidence. When every other pagan or satanic holiday takes root in the people that are supposed to oppose paganism and satanism, they should probably wonder who pissed in their corn flakes but no, “insert out of context Bible verse of church tradition here” is enough to justify dancing with the devil.
None of this of course is going to, or is meant to, get you to come down to the altar. Just hopefully provide enough of an argument to say “yeah, there’s more going on here then meets the eye”. In the interest of “conspiracies”, this one meets all the criteria.
The problem for me with the moral code rationale behind the advent of Jesus and the Bible is that these fundamentals existed prior to Jesus. We had numerous cultures over the span of 6,000 more recorded years prior to Jesus with the same religious mechanisms to boundaries of life. We then see examples going back at least another 7,000 years of cultural spiritual guidance to living well and with nature. In those 14,000 years, what has also been consistent is how those religions were used to weaponize the peasant and to enslave the peasant to standards defined by "earthly deities". Babylonians had spiritual leaders who became kings and enslaved peasants and waged war. Pharaohs and emperors and etc.
Where then does one make claim that there is a divergence between religion and exploitation when it is symbiotic for millennias? Christianity is just the latest greatest version of consume next religion. When then we can see how many denominations span from Christianity.. shd be warning to there is not true fundamentalisms in these faiths -- only adaptations to appease supply and demand.
I’ll be honest man, the phrasing of your post is difficult for me to respond to and a bit out of my intellectual field. I’ll respond to what I can, which is the subject of denominations springing from Christianity as an issue- it is.
Christianity, at least as we see it today, is not the original intention of either God or Jesus Christ. There’s nowhere in his teachings that he says “we’re going to start a new religion, everyone!”. All the denominations stem from a disagreement on either some guys writings about the Bible or church, or some argument over the interpretation/application of a handful of verses. Few people along the way stopped to think if the whole thing was out of sorts and we’re playing dominos when we should have been playing jacks, so to speak.
The major separation from “truth of purpose to corruption of purpose” was during the major persecution of the early believers and the following councils that placated to pagan practices with a newly established Christian flavour. I’d point back to early councils eradicating the commandments of God as a starting point, the Catholic Church upholding the abolition of Gods Sabbath (as an example) in favour for something they call the Lords day, and an influx of false teachings that made it so that, even today, most Christian’s read the Bible through a faulty lens that creates a misunderstanding.
Just as an example, most people say something like “when God led the Jews out of Egypt…” in reference to the Exodus story, when in truth there were no specific people group called “Jews” or “Jewish” until the Babylonian exile when the House of Judah/Jew-dah was exiled from Israel. It’s a minor deviation, but it establishes the groundwork for misconception that snowballs into what we have today. Take that concept, multiple it by 1000 and make EVERY Christian university teach that, or a slightly altered version of it. What we end up with is 30,000 different denominations arguing over ideas like transubstantiation, methods of church liturgy, baptism, or other more spiritual ideas all the while they have barely grasped the essential foundations of the faith.
I don’t disagree that religious leaders have exploited and manipulated their followers, even in Christianity. I agree whole heartedly that the manipulation of any person on the grounds of religion, my own or someone else’s, is a gross injustice. I cast blame on those who used Christianity for gain, and those who manipulated the true teachings of Christ for the establishment of religion and government. To take it further, I’m insulted by the modern Republicans and Democrats who both twist the Bible to advance their political agendas, and I’m equally insulted by the churches that use smoke and lights and elaborate performances to evoke emotional responses in church goes in the name of worship services.
But I don’t believe the answer is to throw out the baby with the bath water. I think we can see past everywhere that man had his hands and twisted the religion for his gain and boil it down to the basic elements of the faith, the teachings of the Bible, that in their proper context most Christian’s today would actually reject.
Just to reiterate and summarize my point: the false image and teachings of Jesus represented by the church, distorted through man made traditions, gross human moral failings, denominational preferences, pagan and satanic rituals/holidays and influence as well as political usurpations are just that- false images. They are not the true faith taught by the Bible or by Christ and they are just as dangerous as they are misleading.
All that being said, as a thought experiment:
if I’m right and the false brand of Christianity that we’ve been sold is a
Psy-op, we should wonder why work that hard to deface the truth and to what end have the perpetrators been working towards. Those are the areas of study I’ve been devoting myself to lately anyways.
How else would you explain the flood story or the creation of man? Themes that seem to be repeated in all these ancient cultures.
Just a coincidence? I do think the bible has been manipulated and altered for sure so that royalty and the church were the only ones who could interpret gods will.
But I dont think so many people would believe it if there were not some kinda TRUTH to it.
But that just emphasizes that they are authoritarian regurgitations used to exploit the same fears of peasants to keep them in line for over thousands of years.
Your perspective that stories told for thousands of years give credibility to some truth ignores that there is a limited boundary to story telling sustainability. Legends are the same all around the world regardless of interaction bcz we have a limit set of rules even in fantasy.
To demonstrate this --> look at Hollywood.
It has only been around for JUST 100 years. In that time the same stories have been retold countless times. No matter how abstract the technology, the same story is told, just with different sets and actors.
Sitcoms today have exhausted premises bcz they have to recycle the same bits every 5 years.
Sci Fi is exhausted bcz it recycles the same material every 5 years.
Now imagine stories with only word of mouth thru varying languages and cultures over thousands of years -- it will always be homogenized down to simple boundaries.
A flood becomes THE flood only when exploited for purposes of corruption. Always has been.
Then why during all that two millenia jews constantly trying to replace, pervert, subvert or destroy Christianity?
If Christianity is fundamentally useful for them, shouldn't they support and encourage it among goyims in its untouched state?
You mistake Christians and Nationalists. They do nothing to diminish Christian worth, even support the Church and Christian nations as Israeli Empire states -- the burden is nationalists who also happen to be Christians within these states.
Either be a compliant Christian and non-Jew servant to Jews (as is in the Talmund) or you must be destroyed.
Do not mistake their goals as whole about Christianity -- which is also the red flag about Christianity.
Nah, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Christianity clearly states that one who have some relations with person who practicise Judaism or visited sinagogue should be excommunicated (temporary or constantly, depending on type of relation), since Jews are children of Satan and all that stuff.
Christian can't be compliant to the Jews because by this compliance he excommunicate itself from Christianity.
According to who?
Setting aside that these doctrines are often decades and centuries older than the timeline of Christ, even church scholars admit there is no good evidence of verifying events -- especially when timelines are so abstract between scriptures.
For fucks sake, Christians do not even celebrate on the correct dates. Xmas was not in Winter. Easter was not in early Spring. These were Pagan adaptations.
Do you believe in Revelations or Genesis even tho they are admitted dreams and visions, not communicated by whom Christians worship?
As for Jews --> no where does it convey Jews but rather specifically those who betrayed the dogmas of God's will and instead lust for xyz. So literally any one and every one.
King of the Jews*
*void where convenient
The fucking Bible itself. Which you have never read.
Again, "who"?
The book that is a composition of 40 authors over 2,000 years?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/when-was-the-bible-written.html
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Neat, so… no one gives a shit. You were embarrassingly, humiliatingly wrong. You know nothing about what you’re discussing. Just stop forever.
Protestants LOVE and support Israel, and Israel recognizes that and encourages Christianity.
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Protestants are not the only Christian confession. It is one of glowing examples of perversion and distortion of Christianity.
Basically only few confessions today have apostolic continuity in the first place, and protestants even not in that list.
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Christ is King
Repeating the same lies over and over doesn’t make them true. Go back to shutting the fuck up about things you don’t understand and leaving Christianity to the people who’ve actually read the Bible.
The difference between you and ayh IS experience and ayh grew from it -- you never moved an inch.
Jumping in here but...
I could post my list. It is eerily similar to yours in some aspects but I’ve come to a different conclusion than you. I’m genuinely interested in why. Based on your comment(s), my best guess is that the church poisoned you and your relationship with God. It did the same to me for a while (mostly because of Baptists), but you must separate God from man and recognize that the church has been corrupted beyond repair by man, not God. Ultimately, you only answer to God for yourself and those under your care, so the church is dead to me.
No poisoning.
Ayh watched the behavior of my mother explicitly -- and her blind ignorance is bliss blasé attitude about some of the most complex unverifiable elements in religion.
Here is the contradiction of rearing a child while promoting religion. You instill in your child understanding the tangible -- "this is a xyz" "if some one does xyz then xyz" "no this won't happen bcz xyz" and countless real world boundaries so you can anticipate things (if it is a good parent).
At the same time, then that parent teaches you to ignore these proofs in the case of faith. You must suspend reality of what you were explicitly taught so as so survive -- so that you may enter another place you can not visit/see/feel/verify.
Ayh think engineers are probably the least religious in civilization bcz they inherently conduct themselves with tangible perspectives -- things must equate to values so as to function in a recognizable way.
Ayh then had the luxury of experiencing numerous permutations of as you say "people's relationships with God" and they all requires abstraction from norms.
The math never added up very early bcz ayh exist ultimately, on the basis of proof. Or at least strive for it -- which is why we come to these forums -- which is why it is extraordinary that so many people who come to forums to dispute the abstract then prescribe to their own abstract and do not see the irony.
I didn’t downvote you. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Out of curiosity, what were/are some of the “complex, unverifiable elements in religion” that your mother believed? You don’t have to believe me but most of my (remaining adult) family members are all STEM-related leaders in their fields, including civil engineers, atmospheric scientists, mathematicians, etc. Additionally, those same leaders are reiki practitioners, astral projectors, nature healers, and psychics, and are involved in other less grounded “science-ish” fields. Generally, most of us are religious (but definitely not all “Christian”) and rely on faith-based religious ideas to grow spiritually. Being grounded in facts doesn’t mean you can’t be religious. Interestingly enough, the family members who were not religious have died off the past few years due to substance abuse, depression, faith in “experts”, etc. Faith grounds and guides our decisions. As I mentioned earlier, I believe the church today is not in line with God’s teachings and we no longer attend church. I view my family as the church and it is my responsibility to guide the younger members of the family in real science (STEM), God’s teachings, and where those two areas intertwine.
I can acknowledge that aspects of my religious beliefs are difficult to prove and are faith-based. That’s what religion and faith are, God even acknowledges this. We can’t be 100% grounded in the established sciences and stop there. We are on a conspiracies forum because we are seeking more that isn’t widely accepted, understood, proveable, etc. But there is scientific proof that God does indeed exist, Biblical event confirmation also exists. We are told lies from a very young age to deny God’s creation, to deny spiritual healing and growth. Why do you think that is? Your enemies believe in spiritual warfare and dark forces, those are faith-based ideas. I think it’s wise to acknowledge their beliefs and to counteract them with truth, good will, and light. Also, fuck our enemies because Christ is King. Our grandparent’s religion and church were too simple-minded and kind to those who want to cause harm to good people.
From my perspective, the Bible and God cannot be disproven and, from my years on this Earth, there has to be more to life than just living, dying and that’s it.
Just my 2c.
Neat, so you were lied to your whole life and never grew out of the lies. Thanks for confirming. Bible says jews are damned for eternity. You know nothing.
Just curious -- which of these do you follow from the Bible, your doctrine for life -->
Can you humble your self to the fact you do not follow 75% of what the Bible says that was written over hundreds of years?
No.. bcz you are clung to this conditioning and will not surrender the fantasy that comforts you despite the reality being that no where does believing in God save you from any thing.
Thanks for proving that you’ve never actually read the Bible and that everything you claimed was a lie. Fuck off, jew.
You think the Old Testament is inapplicable to Christianity?
Yep.
lol
Why
Lol
Cool, thanks for exposing yourself as a paid jewish shill. Your account is blown. No one will ever believe anything you say again.
All your criticisms sound like wishes…
What
Exactly. Christianity is, as Nietzsche said, a Jewish revenge.
As a continuation of the Jewish Roman war the Jews subverted Rome with their Christianity nonsense and Rome then forced European peoples into giving up their own gods and religions to instead worship the god of Israel and to believe that Jews are the god of Israel’s chosen people.
Jesus’ advice is shit, designed to instil meekness and feebleness in the persecuted and to coerce the goyim aka non Jews into loving their persecutors aka the Jews, and convincing them into willingly giving to their persecutors more than they even demand.
Oh, and also convincing goyim that their heads will be lopped off for their support of Christ, but not to worry - that’s a good thing! You’ll be rewarded for it after your life is over. Also, everyone who is in a position of power is there because they are ordained by the lord god of Israel, so pay your taxes goy!
The man made religion of Christianity is largely a psy-op but not in the way you’d think. It isn’t a government “religion is the opiate of the masses” type of psy-op most suggest, but it has been used that way for sure.
I’d contend that there is a true expression of the faith that the Bible teaches, and that Jesus taught, that’s been covered up by those in power, whether that means intentionally by your deep state/royal families and hardcore zionists or laymen, pastors and scholars who unknowingly stuff the truth in a sack for the sake of man made religious traditions and teachings.
Either way, when “we” reflect on Christianity, I come to the conclusion that the majority of people who touch a Bible only get half the truth because of false religion that supersedes what the Bible itself says. So much so that while I’ve been around Christian’s for most of my life, I’ve only found a few that actually took the Bible at face value, examined the actual historical context of the letters, including their place in the whole biblical narrative and the significance of the original languages, and would not allow man made traditions and theological doctrine and interpreters bias decide what’s true and what isn’t.
Id probably contend that your understanding of Christianity being a psy-op is closer to the truth then most Christian’s want to admit, but that doesn’t mean that’s the end of the discussion. Modern day Christianity, in particular Catholicism but also a major portion of Protestantism, is essentially a straw man in comparison to the true faith taught by the Messiah.
there’s too much archaeological and historic evidence for the biblical story to simply brush it aside if you’re studying the subject sincerely. They found pharaohs golden chariots on an under water land bridge in the Red Sea, the found Noah’s ark in the mountains of Ararat, they found sodom and Gomorrah destroyed and confirmed the balls of fire through scientific inquiry, they found the ark of the covenant with blood that is still living with the DNA matching what we’d expect of the Messiah and the virgin birth story, this was found under the place Jesus was crucified where the scriptures report the earth splitting, where the ark was buried. They’ve come up with evidence suggesting the biblical creation and following flood story is supported not just through other cultures worldwide but by the geography of our planet itself. None of this is common knowledge, but the evidence itself all supports the biblical narrative, just not the resulting religion that men decided should precede the teachings of Christ.
there’s too much intentional watering down of “Bible truth” with pagan idolatry celebrated by satanists the world over to be a coincidence. When every other pagan or satanic holiday takes root in the people that are supposed to oppose paganism and satanism, they should probably wonder who pissed in their corn flakes but no, “insert out of context Bible verse of church tradition here” is enough to justify dancing with the devil.
None of this of course is going to, or is meant to, get you to come down to the altar. Just hopefully provide enough of an argument to say “yeah, there’s more going on here then meets the eye”. In the interest of “conspiracies”, this one meets all the criteria.
The problem for me with the moral code rationale behind the advent of Jesus and the Bible is that these fundamentals existed prior to Jesus. We had numerous cultures over the span of 6,000 more recorded years prior to Jesus with the same religious mechanisms to boundaries of life. We then see examples going back at least another 7,000 years of cultural spiritual guidance to living well and with nature. In those 14,000 years, what has also been consistent is how those religions were used to weaponize the peasant and to enslave the peasant to standards defined by "earthly deities". Babylonians had spiritual leaders who became kings and enslaved peasants and waged war. Pharaohs and emperors and etc.
Where then does one make claim that there is a divergence between religion and exploitation when it is symbiotic for millennias? Christianity is just the latest greatest version of consume next religion. When then we can see how many denominations span from Christianity.. shd be warning to there is not true fundamentalisms in these faiths -- only adaptations to appease supply and demand.
I’ll be honest man, the phrasing of your post is difficult for me to respond to and a bit out of my intellectual field. I’ll respond to what I can, which is the subject of denominations springing from Christianity as an issue- it is.
Christianity, at least as we see it today, is not the original intention of either God or Jesus Christ. There’s nowhere in his teachings that he says “we’re going to start a new religion, everyone!”. All the denominations stem from a disagreement on either some guys writings about the Bible or church, or some argument over the interpretation/application of a handful of verses. Few people along the way stopped to think if the whole thing was out of sorts and we’re playing dominos when we should have been playing jacks, so to speak.
The major separation from “truth of purpose to corruption of purpose” was during the major persecution of the early believers and the following councils that placated to pagan practices with a newly established Christian flavour. I’d point back to early councils eradicating the commandments of God as a starting point, the Catholic Church upholding the abolition of Gods Sabbath (as an example) in favour for something they call the Lords day, and an influx of false teachings that made it so that, even today, most Christian’s read the Bible through a faulty lens that creates a misunderstanding.
Just as an example, most people say something like “when God led the Jews out of Egypt…” in reference to the Exodus story, when in truth there were no specific people group called “Jews” or “Jewish” until the Babylonian exile when the House of Judah/Jew-dah was exiled from Israel. It’s a minor deviation, but it establishes the groundwork for misconception that snowballs into what we have today. Take that concept, multiple it by 1000 and make EVERY Christian university teach that, or a slightly altered version of it. What we end up with is 30,000 different denominations arguing over ideas like transubstantiation, methods of church liturgy, baptism, or other more spiritual ideas all the while they have barely grasped the essential foundations of the faith.
I don’t disagree that religious leaders have exploited and manipulated their followers, even in Christianity. I agree whole heartedly that the manipulation of any person on the grounds of religion, my own or someone else’s, is a gross injustice. I cast blame on those who used Christianity for gain, and those who manipulated the true teachings of Christ for the establishment of religion and government. To take it further, I’m insulted by the modern Republicans and Democrats who both twist the Bible to advance their political agendas, and I’m equally insulted by the churches that use smoke and lights and elaborate performances to evoke emotional responses in church goes in the name of worship services.
But I don’t believe the answer is to throw out the baby with the bath water. I think we can see past everywhere that man had his hands and twisted the religion for his gain and boil it down to the basic elements of the faith, the teachings of the Bible, that in their proper context most Christian’s today would actually reject.
Just to reiterate and summarize my point: the false image and teachings of Jesus represented by the church, distorted through man made traditions, gross human moral failings, denominational preferences, pagan and satanic rituals/holidays and influence as well as political usurpations are just that- false images. They are not the true faith taught by the Bible or by Christ and they are just as dangerous as they are misleading.
All that being said, as a thought experiment:
if I’m right and the false brand of Christianity that we’ve been sold is a Psy-op, we should wonder why work that hard to deface the truth and to what end have the perpetrators been working towards. Those are the areas of study I’ve been devoting myself to lately anyways.
I wouldnt say its a pysop.
How else would you explain the flood story or the creation of man? Themes that seem to be repeated in all these ancient cultures.
Just a coincidence? I do think the bible has been manipulated and altered for sure so that royalty and the church were the only ones who could interpret gods will.
But I dont think so many people would believe it if there were not some kinda TRUTH to it.
But that just emphasizes that they are authoritarian regurgitations used to exploit the same fears of peasants to keep them in line for over thousands of years.
Your perspective that stories told for thousands of years give credibility to some truth ignores that there is a limited boundary to story telling sustainability. Legends are the same all around the world regardless of interaction bcz we have a limit set of rules even in fantasy.
To demonstrate this --> look at Hollywood.
It has only been around for JUST 100 years. In that time the same stories have been retold countless times. No matter how abstract the technology, the same story is told, just with different sets and actors.
Sitcoms today have exhausted premises bcz they have to recycle the same bits every 5 years.
Sci Fi is exhausted bcz it recycles the same material every 5 years.
Now imagine stories with only word of mouth thru varying languages and cultures over thousands of years -- it will always be homogenized down to simple boundaries.
A flood becomes THE flood only when exploited for purposes of corruption. Always has been.