Is that what justifies moving it to SUN day? To not inconvenience the sun worshipers?
Also, day is not signified by midnight in the bible, is it? A days' end would be sun down. So sabbath should start around 5pm on Friday and go to 5pm Saturday.
Yes Sunday was named after the sun because many groups worshipped the sun. It's common to adopt the traditions of the group and incorporate them into the new religion. Judaism's Sabbath is on Saturday because that religion adopted practices from Saturn worshippers. Christians should be celebrating Jesus birth in spring time rather than around the winter solstice.
I wouldn't say christians compromised their religion because the formation of Christianity included adopting stories and practices from preexisting religions. Aspect of Jesus were taken from Mithras and other deities in nearby regions. Noah's ark and the flood is the same (with small differences) story throughout the world. The Sumerians 5k+ years ago had almost exactly the same story.
Yes they catered to pagans because nature worship was common throughout Europe. The new religion uses traditions of the existing people in order to get the people to practice the new religion. Almost all religions do this.
“You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2 ESV; see also: Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:5-6)
To this day the Papacy of the Roman Catholic church claims authority to be able to change both “the times” and “the law” (see the prophecy in Daniel 7:25). This is clearly manifested in their changing of the Ten Commandments (the complete removal of 2nd commandment on idolatry, the changing of the 4th commandment to “The Lord’s Day” meaning [Sun]day, and to maintain 10, the splitting the 10th commandment in two, becoming the 9th and 10th).
Which commandments should we obey; those of a man or those of God?
Some blasphemous quotes from the Roman Catholic church:
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895
"To make war against the Pope is to make war against God, seeing the Pope is God, and God is the Pope." -Moreri's History. (Louis Moréri (25 March 1643 - 10 July 1680) was a French priest and encyclopedist.)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God." -Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
What do the extra chapters in the "original bible" say that is of great importance that a protestant or someone else would want to deliberately remove them? The argument may simply be scholastic regarding which writings are truly channeling the Holy Spirit.
I’m not a Roman Catholic I’m orthodox but let’s talk idolatry. In the Bible there is a clear differentiation between worship and veneration. For example when Moses meets with some family he bows and kisses them much like we bow and kiss an icon, family member, or a priest. It’s an ancient sign of respect that’s in the Bible and not listed as worship.
And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare; and they came into the tent. -Exodus 18:7
Genesis 44:14
When Judah and his brothers came to Joseph’s house, he was still there; and they fell to the ground before him
Exodus 11:8
All these officials of yours will come down to me, prostrate themselves to me, and say, "Get out, you and all the people following you!' After that I'll go out." Then Moses angrily left Pharaoh.
Now as an orthodox we do not use statues in worship (we are commanded against it in rare cases some people disobey it) but if you want to go after iconography there’s biblical Old Testament verses for that too that our Lord commanded imagery in His Temple and on the Ark of the Covenant.
Then he set the cherubim inside the inner room; and they stretched out the wings of the cherubim so that the wing of the one touched one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall. And their wings touched each other in the middle of the room. - 1 Kings 6:27
The two doors were of olive wood; and he carved on them figures of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers, and overlaid them with gold; and he spread gold on the cherubim and on the palm trees. - 1 Kings 6:32
There is a clear distinction between worship and veneration, and there are not only permitted but commanded imagery by God in the Old Testament.
As orthodox we think Roman’s take some of these issues too far, but I must add there is an appropriate level of veneration and imagery in worship according the the Word.
I'm not sure where to start with this. Exodus 20:2-3 reads:
I am H_____ your God,Who has taken you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall not recognize the gods of others in My presence.
And that doesn't match either of your proposed translations. But also the catholics nominally have all 10 commandments, they just don't follow them... So it's a really weird post.
Irony.
I don't like your numbering system.
I agree with most of the points.
Sabbath argument is one I still contend. Sunday is supposedly the day the Lord resurrected but I still don't see how that changes a commandment.
Is that what justifies moving it to SUN day? To not inconvenience the sun worshipers?
Also, day is not signified by midnight in the bible, is it? A days' end would be sun down. So sabbath should start around 5pm on Friday and go to 5pm Saturday.
Yes Sunday was named after the sun because many groups worshipped the sun. It's common to adopt the traditions of the group and incorporate them into the new religion. Judaism's Sabbath is on Saturday because that religion adopted practices from Saturn worshippers. Christians should be celebrating Jesus birth in spring time rather than around the winter solstice.
This all begins to delegitimize Christianity.
They compromised the religion and its teachings to cater to pagans and sun worshipers?
I wouldn't say christians compromised their religion because the formation of Christianity included adopting stories and practices from preexisting religions. Aspect of Jesus were taken from Mithras and other deities in nearby regions. Noah's ark and the flood is the same (with small differences) story throughout the world. The Sumerians 5k+ years ago had almost exactly the same story.
Yes they catered to pagans because nature worship was common throughout Europe. The new religion uses traditions of the existing people in order to get the people to practice the new religion. Almost all religions do this.
Jews believe that American Christians are Edom.
Just two groups of people pointing at each other calling each other Edom and descendants of esau
The ancient Orthodox Church does a Saturday and Sunday service every week to honor the Old Testament and the resurrection.
“You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2 ESV; see also: Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:5-6)
To this day the Papacy of the Roman Catholic church claims authority to be able to change both “the times” and “the law” (see the prophecy in Daniel 7:25). This is clearly manifested in their changing of the Ten Commandments (the complete removal of 2nd commandment on idolatry, the changing of the 4th commandment to “The Lord’s Day” meaning [Sun]day, and to maintain 10, the splitting the 10th commandment in two, becoming the 9th and 10th).
Which commandments should we obey; those of a man or those of God?
Some Resources:
https://www.the-ten-commandments.org/romancatholic-tencommandments.html https://www.the-ten-commandments.org/catholic_church_idolatry.html https://www.godssabbathtruth.com/whochangedthesabbathtosunday.html
Roman Catholic version of the Ten Commandments:
https://www.cam1.org.au/en-us1/Catholic-Faith/Church-Teaching/The-Ten-Commandments https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource/55029/the-ten-commandments https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-true-ten-commandments
Some blasphemous quotes from the Roman Catholic church:
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895
"To make war against the Pope is to make war against God, seeing the Pope is God, and God is the Pope." -Moreri's History. (Louis Moréri (25 March 1643 - 10 July 1680) was a French priest and encyclopedist.)
"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God." -Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary
"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." - On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
More blasphemous quotes can be found here: https://remnantofgod.org/beastword.htm
You fucking retard, the Catholic Church has the original Bible, books were removed by the protestants during the reformation
What do the extra chapters in the "original bible" say that is of great importance that a protestant or someone else would want to deliberately remove them? The argument may simply be scholastic regarding which writings are truly channeling the Holy Spirit.
Catholics that I have interacted with recently have jumped through hoops to make excuses for the idolitry. Of course its removed completely.
I’m not a Roman Catholic I’m orthodox but let’s talk idolatry. In the Bible there is a clear differentiation between worship and veneration. For example when Moses meets with some family he bows and kisses them much like we bow and kiss an icon, family member, or a priest. It’s an ancient sign of respect that’s in the Bible and not listed as worship.
Now as an orthodox we do not use statues in worship (we are commanded against it in rare cases some people disobey it) but if you want to go after iconography there’s biblical Old Testament verses for that too that our Lord commanded imagery in His Temple and on the Ark of the Covenant.
There is a clear distinction between worship and veneration, and there are not only permitted but commanded imagery by God in the Old Testament.
As orthodox we think Roman’s take some of these issues too far, but I must add there is an appropriate level of veneration and imagery in worship according the the Word.
I'm not sure where to start with this. Exodus 20:2-3 reads:
And that doesn't match either of your proposed translations. But also the catholics nominally have all 10 commandments, they just don't follow them... So it's a really weird post.
a) COMMAND, verb - "to bid; to order; to direct; to charge"...motion bids; orders; directs; charges; commands momentum.
b) momentum implies balance within motion aka memory of motion for each medium accessing mind within.
c) one (medium) within ment (momentum) of command (motion).