Are you saying a higher level human inhabited the Earth well before 12,000 years ago? If so, you might be correct.......but......where are their tools and machines? Shouldn't they have left something laying on the surface of the Earth? Where are the hammers, drills, stone melting machines, or at least the facilites where the broken tools were repaired? Seems that there was a very advanced civilization several millenium ago, but why is there no signs of them? We have found stone axes, pounding rocks, basic flint arrow tips, but we have never ever found the evidence of the tools used to make the surfaces of the pyramids glass smooth, or the lack of space between joints on the stone walls in South America, Machu Pichu, etc.
Would we recognize them if we did? If another civilization emerges 12000 years after our collapse and they advance in a completely different way technologically, would they have any idea what a phone was for? That's perhaps a bad example since a phone is obviously artificial, but the point is it's possible technology could evolve in completely different ways so as to be totally unrecognizable to what we have now. If that happened in the past who's to say they couldn't harness vibrations and more natural phenomenon?
Or, and this is more a thought exercise, what if their technology effected the world to the extent that what we think of as natural actually only functions that way due to their technology
I agree with you. But shouldn't the vibration machines have parts and maybe some of those parts survive the 12Y into the future in some manner, whether its a small piece or the entire machine? Or maybe TPTB know and understand the machines that were used and are now going around the world and erasing their existence? If we have the bones of animals that roamed the earth millions of years ago then certainly there exists the machines that build those huge structures. Plus, we have very smart people on this rock, folks who use their brains to think about how the ancients built things, yet these knowledgeable people never seem to come up with an acceptable thesis as to how things were constructed.
The thing is we don't know what form they may have taken, they might not be machines as we think of them, someone could have figured out ways to use nature to harness these things. But I have no idea, really
We would definitely recognize them as something out-of-time and not the artifacts we already discovered. Whatever form and purpose they could have.
possible technology could evolve in completely different ways so as to be totally unrecognizable to what we have now.
That's not how technology reveal itself. Even if it is highly advanced technology, beyond current knowledge. In any case there should be "magic wand" that could cut rocks, f.e. and it will be different from anything we already found. This is not a rare situation, when archeologists who found some tool spend years to figure out its purpose. And I never heard that such artifacts was hid, on the contrary, information about such things spread between archeologists in the hope that many people discover thing purpose much faster than single researcher.
Taking in account that it is "unrecognizeable", it obviously will not be hedden, because as it is "unrecognizeable", nobody will suppose that it is some powerful advanced technology.
If that is the case, we should have today tons of technological artifacts of an unknown purpose. Any more or less advanced civilisation have to use tons of technologies. And there should be not only "magic wand to cut the rocks", but also things to move the rocks, to measure the rocks, to polish rocks, and that is only beginning - there should be much more things to make all that tools for rocks.
F.e. to make a simple tool like drill bit possible, you need a large amount of complex tools. You need whole industries for that.
There is no any traces of complex industries that will make possible mass production of that "unrecognizeable" tools to process rocks.
Also, hardly civilisation that have a super advanced technology to process rocks will use only rocks to build huge buildings. It has to have much more advanced materials for building than rocks.
How long, years, does civilization erase off a reset? An extinction level event reseting civilization.
A skyscraper, today, would be dust in about 1000 years. No trace. A mole hill of stone with some metal content.
An iPhone lasts what buried in the earth, completely gone, they did this supposedly. Like 30-70 years?
Things like the Golden Gate bridge last longer pontentially 10k. So what ten thousand years is the extent of all traces of humanity. Until niggers come along and make monkeys and dinosaurs.
The only thing that survives longer is a pyramid. Stone.
Any conspiracy suggests, the tools that made them faster didn't work. So in an extinction level event, the grid goes down, a nova, impact. No electricity. Complete fried. Only 1 to 5% surviving it. Today we've killed ourselves. Everything on a grid that goes lights out in that scenario. Information stored into a system that is gone in a blink. Pretty soon it's Mad Max, the lost children of Lord of the Flies. Member member Disney and Mickey Mouse, he was a god that lived in the pyramids. But there they are reinventing the wheel, as any tools become weapons, ploughs, or saddles. It doesn't work it's destroyed reused as rudimentary objects. Any language has changed it doesn't understand any artifacts found. These perhaps become esoteric knowledge. Perhaps a few even completely leave the planet, leaving the dumbest.
Hell our own history has done this repeatedly, burnt all the books, put entire populations to the sword. Reworded origin turning it into religions outlawing and purging all remnants of its former history.
A skyscraper, today, would be dust in about 1000 years.
Only if this is a skyscraper build from "green", "ecological" garbage. Any real skyscraper built from steel, concrete and glass will outlive pyramids easily. Unlike pyramids it will much less wear by winds, rains and temperature gradients. Glass is nearly undestructable, and steel reinforced concrete will last for millenias.
Also there will be concrete manufacturing factories, steel factories, glass factories and many other industries necessary for building skyscrapers. A lot of artifacts.
An iPhone lasts what buried in the earth, completely gone, they did this supposedly. Like 30-70 years?
Why do you think so? Chips will last nearly forever, fiberglass PCB also is very rigid thing. And glass screen. And this is buried in earth. Those who will be in concrete buildings will easily survive as long as building itself.
Even Antykhtera mechanism, made from bronze, being in sea water for millenia still was recovered and copied.
The only thing that survives longer is a pyramid. Stone.
No there are a lot of materials that will last much longer than not very hard rocks in pyramids.
Are you saying a higher level human inhabited the Earth well before 12,000 years ago? If so, you might be correct.......but......where are their tools and machines? Shouldn't they have left something laying on the surface of the Earth? Where are the hammers, drills, stone melting machines, or at least the facilites where the broken tools were repaired? Seems that there was a very advanced civilization several millenium ago, but why is there no signs of them? We have found stone axes, pounding rocks, basic flint arrow tips, but we have never ever found the evidence of the tools used to make the surfaces of the pyramids glass smooth, or the lack of space between joints on the stone walls in South America, Machu Pichu, etc.
Would we recognize them if we did? If another civilization emerges 12000 years after our collapse and they advance in a completely different way technologically, would they have any idea what a phone was for? That's perhaps a bad example since a phone is obviously artificial, but the point is it's possible technology could evolve in completely different ways so as to be totally unrecognizable to what we have now. If that happened in the past who's to say they couldn't harness vibrations and more natural phenomenon?
Or, and this is more a thought exercise, what if their technology effected the world to the extent that what we think of as natural actually only functions that way due to their technology
I agree with you. But shouldn't the vibration machines have parts and maybe some of those parts survive the 12Y into the future in some manner, whether its a small piece or the entire machine? Or maybe TPTB know and understand the machines that were used and are now going around the world and erasing their existence? If we have the bones of animals that roamed the earth millions of years ago then certainly there exists the machines that build those huge structures. Plus, we have very smart people on this rock, folks who use their brains to think about how the ancients built things, yet these knowledgeable people never seem to come up with an acceptable thesis as to how things were constructed.
The thing is we don't know what form they may have taken, they might not be machines as we think of them, someone could have figured out ways to use nature to harness these things. But I have no idea, really
We would definitely recognize them as something out-of-time and not the artifacts we already discovered. Whatever form and purpose they could have.
That's not how technology reveal itself. Even if it is highly advanced technology, beyond current knowledge. In any case there should be "magic wand" that could cut rocks, f.e. and it will be different from anything we already found. This is not a rare situation, when archeologists who found some tool spend years to figure out its purpose. And I never heard that such artifacts was hid, on the contrary, information about such things spread between archeologists in the hope that many people discover thing purpose much faster than single researcher.
Taking in account that it is "unrecognizeable", it obviously will not be hedden, because as it is "unrecognizeable", nobody will suppose that it is some powerful advanced technology.
If that is the case, we should have today tons of technological artifacts of an unknown purpose. Any more or less advanced civilisation have to use tons of technologies. And there should be not only "magic wand to cut the rocks", but also things to move the rocks, to measure the rocks, to polish rocks, and that is only beginning - there should be much more things to make all that tools for rocks.
F.e. to make a simple tool like drill bit possible, you need a large amount of complex tools. You need whole industries for that.
There is no any traces of complex industries that will make possible mass production of that "unrecognizeable" tools to process rocks.
Also, hardly civilisation that have a super advanced technology to process rocks will use only rocks to build huge buildings. It has to have much more advanced materials for building than rocks.
How long, years, does civilization erase off a reset? An extinction level event reseting civilization.
A skyscraper, today, would be dust in about 1000 years. No trace. A mole hill of stone with some metal content.
An iPhone lasts what buried in the earth, completely gone, they did this supposedly. Like 30-70 years?
Things like the Golden Gate bridge last longer pontentially 10k. So what ten thousand years is the extent of all traces of humanity. Until niggers come along and make monkeys and dinosaurs.
The only thing that survives longer is a pyramid. Stone.
Any conspiracy suggests, the tools that made them faster didn't work. So in an extinction level event, the grid goes down, a nova, impact. No electricity. Complete fried. Only 1 to 5% surviving it. Today we've killed ourselves. Everything on a grid that goes lights out in that scenario. Information stored into a system that is gone in a blink. Pretty soon it's Mad Max, the lost children of Lord of the Flies. Member member Disney and Mickey Mouse, he was a god that lived in the pyramids. But there they are reinventing the wheel, as any tools become weapons, ploughs, or saddles. It doesn't work it's destroyed reused as rudimentary objects. Any language has changed it doesn't understand any artifacts found. These perhaps become esoteric knowledge. Perhaps a few even completely leave the planet, leaving the dumbest.
Hell our own history has done this repeatedly, burnt all the books, put entire populations to the sword. Reworded origin turning it into religions outlawing and purging all remnants of its former history.
Only if this is a skyscraper build from "green", "ecological" garbage. Any real skyscraper built from steel, concrete and glass will outlive pyramids easily. Unlike pyramids it will much less wear by winds, rains and temperature gradients. Glass is nearly undestructable, and steel reinforced concrete will last for millenias.
Also there will be concrete manufacturing factories, steel factories, glass factories and many other industries necessary for building skyscrapers. A lot of artifacts.
Why do you think so? Chips will last nearly forever, fiberglass PCB also is very rigid thing. And glass screen. And this is buried in earth. Those who will be in concrete buildings will easily survive as long as building itself.
Even Antykhtera mechanism, made from bronze, being in sea water for millenia still was recovered and copied.
No there are a lot of materials that will last much longer than not very hard rocks in pyramids.