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posted 2 years ago by pkvi 2 years ago by pkvi +12 / -1
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– the-new-style 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

The next generation of interesting software will be done on the Macintosh, not the IBM PC

Bill Gates, BusinessWeek, 1984

I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time.

Bill Gates, 1987

There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed

Bill Gates, Focus Magazine, 1995.

I see little commercial potential for the internet for the next 10 years

Bill Gates, Comdex trade event, 1994.

Today's Internet is not the information highway I imagine, although you can think of it as the beginning of the highway.

Bill Gates, The Road Ahead (his book), 1995

E-mail spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.

Bill Gates, BBC interview, 2004

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– CrazyRussian 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

It will be opposite, really. As soon as they will try to really use something their dumb neural networks will produce, there will appear a huge demand for those who will be able to fix all that mess. And no, script monkeys they will try to replace with neural network will not be able to fix it. They will need much more skilled and much more expensive professionals to repair (or rebuild from scratch) things they broke.

Artificial neural networks are too dumb to account for consequences of using one or another solution. And any tech is not just combining random patterns, but also thinking about how one solution will interfere with others and so on.

We will see a lot of circus with solutions like that - https://acidcow.com/pics/64081-the-most-epic-construction-fails-ever-48-pics.html

You could easily make parallels into any other tech you know.

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– Ausernamegoeshere 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1

They are only going to use AI to replace the bottom tier workers to create more poor to accentuate their class warfare bs.

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

First. There are no "AI" exist at all. Thing they pose as "AI" have nothing to do with "Intelligence". It is very simple and absolutely dumb thing that just "produce" most probable result from all data it was trained on. Nothing more.

Second. Even bottom tier workers have some intelligence unlike that fake "AI". They at least could identify new situations when something go wrong. That fake "AI" can't do that because it wasn't trained on that new situations because they are new. Fake "AI" is incapable to deal with new things in principle. So even lowest possible tiers of workers could not be replaced with that fake "AI". There is a lot of issues of that kind even with simple automation, and with fake "AI" things will be much worse, because propaganda narratives about "AI" create an illusion of fake "AI" abilities. Misguided bu that propaganda will inevitably fuck things up.

Third. When that stupid thing with "AI" eventually fail, the number of bottom tier workers necessary to fix all that mess and try to somehow continue production will be much more than before because when you replace one worker with a robot, and then a robot fails, you need more than one worker to replace robot, because all stuff needed to make one worker enough for that operation was removed when robot was installed,

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– Ausernamegoeshere 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

The chat bots are a form of "AI". You are mistaking a neural network with a general intelligence. All magazines are reading material, not all reading material are magazines.

And ive met bottom workers that arent as smart as the chatbots.

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

You are mistaking a neural network with a general intelligence.

If you are not aware, "AI" other than neural networks does not exist. In the past, there was huge efforts applied to computer science and programmer startups to shut down anything connected with expert systems, self-categorisation, inventing algorithms, and other stuff that is different from neural networks and magnitudes of order closer to intelligence than stupid neural networks.

Fucking chatbot is a dumb neural network that trained on internet content that just show you compilation of most probable phrases it was trained on suitable for your request. Nothing more.

And ive met bottom workers that arent as smart as the chatbots.

Unlike chatbots they could deal somehow with something they never met.

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– VeilOfReality 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The language parsing/analysis of the chatbots is actually more impressive than the AI. Even that can be fooled but the "intelligence" aspect is just a glorified web crawler with a couple extra features

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– CrazyRussian 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The language parsing/analysis of the chatbots is actually more impressive than the AI

It is not impressive at all. Stupid very old IRC chatbot Elisa from early 90s written in perl does not differ a lot. And it was not even neural network, just a small script with very simple algorithms who could, unlike chatbots, "self-educate" during conversation and hold a sensible dialogue with user. And despite it was heavily English language dependent, I was able to get sensible dialogues in Russian too. Kind of, because order of words in Russian sentence does not really matter, so that dim the picture a lot.

There is nothing impressive when you feed terabytes of questions and anwsers pairs from real internet conversations, and see something similar as a result. That is exactly now neural networks work. No any AI magic at all. Chatbot does not understand you. It does not even learn from you. It just calculate most probable reply from known replies for the question that is closest to yours.

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– VeilOfReality 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I disagree, if you ask it classification questions it can figure things out based on pulling other definitions. The results are again that of a glorified search engine but it is able to meaningfully parse the question and the datasets in order to draw a conclusion. The conclusion drawn is very surface level because it's not actually intelligent but the language parsing may be better than you're giving it credit for

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– Ausernamegoeshere 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

I am aware, you, however, are expecting neural networks to be fantabulous replacements to workers just because they use the term "AI".

Some dogs are very intelligent - but that doesnt mean i think they are human. I also dont go around and say that humans are the only type of intelligence or that the bird intelligence that humans have created aren't ready to replace humans.

And you should meet the bottoms before you overestimate their intelligence, again. They are already using them to replace workers at fast food places. A chat bot will take your order at the drive through. Where's that bottom worker going to go?

Oh, right. As I said, they'll be useful idiots for the great reset when they get promised their desires to tear down the world around themselves.

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– CrazyRussian 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

are expecting neural networks to be fantabulous replacements to workers just because they use the term "AI".

Everything that is named by them "AI" is ANNs. There no any single other thing that could be named "AI". So, always, when you see they use term "AI", in is 100% ANN.

All other research on something that could be eventually resemble any intelligence is heavily curtailed long ago. They have specific reasons for that, but it is another rabbit hole.

A chat bot will take your order at the drive through.

Until something unexpected happen. Oversimplyfing that problem - ANN have no any means to understand that normal customer will never order 1000 hamburgers. So, owner of such drive through will have to hire somebody with apropriate knowledge of matter to look after "AI". There still be same workers with same skills to be competent enough to judge "AI" "decisions", just doing another job.

We had fully automatic cafes in USSR times. Vending machines with cakes, donut cooking machines with vending frontend serving hot donuts, coffe/tea machines, machines that wash crockery and so on. Everything worked fine witout any "AI". There was absolutely no any need for any "AI" for that task at all. But there still was same amount of workers to load machines, to look for them, to service them, to resolve customer problems and so on. And no "AI" could resolve that and replace that workers even now. IDK, it is insane how quickly people forgot something that goes out of their range of view. Automatic cafes is a distant past. They are not something new, and they do not free workforce. Moreover, automatic cafes demand more advanced tech and more skilled personnel than regular ones. In USSR it was not a problem, but in the modern world it is. Personnel, apart knowing regular cafe workflow, had to be familiar with advanced tech and automatisation and have an ability to make more complex decisions.

That nowdays "AI" shit have nothing to do with what you talk about. It is purely a way to hide behind non-existing "AI". They train ANN to produce results they want, and then "You see, it was not us, it was AI decision! We have nothing to do with that! AI knows better!". Simple as that.

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– deleted 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0
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– turtlebam 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Link: https://javascript.plainenglish.io/bill-gates-people-dont-realize-what-s-coming-dc06d3b81c9d

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– free-will-of-choice -3 points 2 years ago +2 / -5
  • TECHNOL'OGY, noun [Gr. art, and word or discourse.] - "a description of arts; or a treatise on the arts".

a) artificial (suggested) implies ignorance of natural (perceivable)

b) natural destroys all artificial...those who ignore this are being exploited through artificial deceit.

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