Not sure if you are familiar with Dutton's work the genius famine but according to him you will most likely end up with a slightly improved NPC, but he himself is mostly a normie so don't take it as gospel.
Edit: to clarify, while consciousness is not intelligence per se and I believe in the existence of the soul; one cannot deny the fact that dim witted people are hardly conscious and that they also lack abstract thinking abilities which means genetics must play a part.
That's a very bayesian take (averaging of parents). Why shouldn't consciousness at a minimum have a random element that possibly moves one outside the box?
Dutton's work states that it's even worst than a simple average. His view is that some people have bad genetics not simply because of heredity but also because of deleterious mutations which do not average out, the deleterious mutations override the good genetics and win over them.
He basically says, you need two good originals to get a good copy or a slightly improved copy (offspring). One good original and one bad original would produce a mostly bad copy. Thus a continuous process of survival of the fittest is needed to improve the stock, when that process is gone there is a risk of extinction.
Personally, I do not believe completely in Darwinian evolution, rather that perhaps it is directed. Perhaps indeed the soul brings out an element that will uplift humanity and that there is a far more intelligent process at work that we do not understand.
All that said and done of course, I think we are attacking the "NPC" too much, we have fallen for the division they want us to fall in. Some "NPC"s are that way not because of lack of consciousness but simply because they have been too crushed in life due to circumstances and had no time to rise up. Others have had it too good that they didn't have many reasons to be skeptical about the establishment.
I may not agree with you guys about the semantics. I do believe evolution is real because we see it happening real time. The real question is what drives this force? (Is it an ability that everything has, is it a result of cosmic radiation damaging dna, or just a result of changes in environment) Do living things have the ability to pick what traits they want? You see many books/movies/animes about harnessing this ability to become god.
I 100% agree, the NPC thing is nonsense, just another issue to divide and distract.
I talked about this before, but after my time looking into neural nets and the structure of actual neurons which plants dont have but yet still show an ability to make decisions.
I believe panpsychism is proably closer to the truth of it.
Why shouldn't consciousness at a minimum have a random element that possibly moves one outside the box?
a) motion represents the outside; momentum represents the box, and the formed consciousness within the momentum of motion is consciously aware of being moved...unless ignored for the suggested movements by others.
b) maximum (whole) divides itself into minimum (partials) through box (momentum)...
c) potential (each partial choice) exists within potentiality (whole momentum aka balance)..
d) suggested RAN'DOM, noun - "course without direction aka want of direction", tempts one to ignore being (life) directed (inception towards death), hence "free" will of choice within the "dom"-inance of balance aka free-dom aka FREE (living) within DOM (process of dying).
e) motion outside the box (inception towards death); motion inside the box (up/down; left/right; forwards/backwards aka choice within balance).
imho, it has more to do with nurture and life experiences than nature. if parents, teachers, coaches, or whatever role models a kid has are inclined to look truth in the face regardless of cost, then so will the child. if a kid has some pretty bad experiences because of societal pretense, the kid is more likely to become a skeptical adult.
having said that, raw intelligence also plays a role.
and having said that... i honestly don't fucking know.
Consciousness is often the result of life experience. The more spiritual, aware, and empathic, presumably even with esp, but some traits show much younger. No, not everybody later has them either. There are selfish people everywhere, and there are the socially inept, no awareness, just greed and their prejudices, or are simply unaware of anything else apart from themselves, and sometimes this is a disability.
Intelligence is often the result of programming, but tends to be more hereditary. Because of better opportunity and tuition. Again it is also an individual talent. Smart people are sometimes the least conscious. They excel at a field of study and sometimes not much else despite having an ability to learn and solve.
Both consciousness and intelligence can be passed down depending on the methods and tuition.
Although as you said trauma or hardship can play a role in your supposed skeptical consciousness, or being around events and things that make them question. Social etiquette however often takes better upbringing and interaction.
I dislike this topic's insinuations. NPC. To be fair I don't think many people care until they are forced too. Until a particular event or experience actually affects them differently. Otherwise they won't research it. They'll simply and like everybody else follow any programming passed on. Again every single brain works differently, and often has difficulties.
Consciousness is often the result of life experience
a) exper- implies expression (growth) by impressing (loss)...temporary growth (life) requires conscious awareness of ongoing loss (inception towards death).
b) living represents the result of the process of dying; choice (reaction) represents the result of balance (action); growth represents the result of loss; inside represents the result of outside; partial represents the result of whole; perceiving represents the result of perceivable; potential represents the result of potentiality; resistance represents the result of velocity; magnetic represents the result of electric; female represents the result of male; each one represents the result of oneness.
c) suggested OFTEN (frequent) tempts one to ignore that ones free will of choice within the dominance of balance represents frequent adaptation of FREE (living) within DOM (process of dying) aka ones struggle to sustain self.
a) durable implies able (life) to endure (inception towards death)
b) only temporary within ongoing can be able to endure, hence DURE (able to endure) -ATION (action)
c) one cannot create ENDURANCE (continuance), one can only temporary endure ongoing continuance a moment longer by resisting it, hence building "callus" resistance.
d) "getting a kick out of it" implies continuance kick-starting resistance, hence inspiring adaptation...or else get your shit kicked in.
walking the path to enlightenment
a) path (inception towards death) generates the ability to walk within (life).
b) light coming into mind (inspiration) gives one the choice to express (comprehension) or repress (ignorance) it.
c) continuance moving forward represents the light behind the resistance within aka those who cast shadows. The incoming light represents the whole "burned offering" for each "light bearer"...
d) "let it be light" implies light (process of dying) letting it be (living). Also; IT (substitute or pronoun of the neuter gender, sometimes called demonstrative)...each partial represents a substitute demonstration within the whole, generated by the whole, "trans" formed out of the momentum (female) of motion (male).
a) consciousness represents awareness of being generated aka the reaction within an enacting system.
b) whole "was" perceivable before partial within can make a conscious choice to suggest what it "is".
For the sake of argument
a) if ones MENT (mind/memory) ARGUES (to reason); then that implies SAKE (to oppress) oneself.
b) being moved forwards (living) implies coming out of (process of dying)...reason tempts one to ignore implication.
can a parent that is "fully conscious" and a parent that is an NPC have a child that is full conscious or will the child be an NPC?
a) the "non-player-character" (NPC) represents one who ignores perceivable (reality) for suggested (fiction), hence being tempted to follow orders instead of being the resistance (life) within the natural order.
b) your want to understand about what others suggest "will" happen, tempts you to ignore each ones free "will" of choice within perceivable.
c) perceivable happens (inception towards death aka momentum aka balance); perceiving shapes self within what happens (life aka choice)...unless ignored for the suggestions by others.
d) the child will be what the child chooses to be...all the suggestions of the parents tempts the child to ignore self discernment as free will of choice.
How could one grow free will of choice by consenting to the suggested choices of others?
Nature versus nurture. An NPC watches television and is filled with whatever programming. They teach their young to watch television and get filled with whatever programming . A non NPC possesses critical thinking and critical thinkers teach their young to be critical thinkers. You either give your kid the iPad and leave them alone or you don’t
Not sure if you are familiar with Dutton's work the genius famine but according to him you will most likely end up with a slightly improved NPC, but he himself is mostly a normie so don't take it as gospel.
Edit: to clarify, while consciousness is not intelligence per se and I believe in the existence of the soul; one cannot deny the fact that dim witted people are hardly conscious and that they also lack abstract thinking abilities which means genetics must play a part.
That's a very bayesian take (averaging of parents). Why shouldn't consciousness at a minimum have a random element that possibly moves one outside the box?
Dutton's work states that it's even worst than a simple average. His view is that some people have bad genetics not simply because of heredity but also because of deleterious mutations which do not average out, the deleterious mutations override the good genetics and win over them.
He basically says, you need two good originals to get a good copy or a slightly improved copy (offspring). One good original and one bad original would produce a mostly bad copy. Thus a continuous process of survival of the fittest is needed to improve the stock, when that process is gone there is a risk of extinction.
Personally, I do not believe completely in Darwinian evolution, rather that perhaps it is directed. Perhaps indeed the soul brings out an element that will uplift humanity and that there is a far more intelligent process at work that we do not understand.
All that said and done of course, I think we are attacking the "NPC" too much, we have fallen for the division they want us to fall in. Some "NPC"s are that way not because of lack of consciousness but simply because they have been too crushed in life due to circumstances and had no time to rise up. Others have had it too good that they didn't have many reasons to be skeptical about the establishment.
I may not agree with you guys about the semantics. I do believe evolution is real because we see it happening real time. The real question is what drives this force? (Is it an ability that everything has, is it a result of cosmic radiation damaging dna, or just a result of changes in environment) Do living things have the ability to pick what traits they want? You see many books/movies/animes about harnessing this ability to become god.
I 100% agree, the NPC thing is nonsense, just another issue to divide and distract.
I talked about this before, but after my time looking into neural nets and the structure of actual neurons which plants dont have but yet still show an ability to make decisions.
I believe panpsychism is proably closer to the truth of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism
Just like the carl sagan quote,
"The cosmos is also within us, were made of star stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself."
I agree that we should be better at giving people a chance.
a) motion represents the outside; momentum represents the box, and the formed consciousness within the momentum of motion is consciously aware of being moved...unless ignored for the suggested movements by others.
b) maximum (whole) divides itself into minimum (partials) through box (momentum)...
c) potential (each partial choice) exists within potentiality (whole momentum aka balance)..
d) suggested RAN'DOM, noun - "course without direction aka want of direction", tempts one to ignore being (life) directed (inception towards death), hence "free" will of choice within the "dom"-inance of balance aka free-dom aka FREE (living) within DOM (process of dying).
e) motion outside the box (inception towards death); motion inside the box (up/down; left/right; forwards/backwards aka choice within balance).
imho, it has more to do with nurture and life experiences than nature. if parents, teachers, coaches, or whatever role models a kid has are inclined to look truth in the face regardless of cost, then so will the child. if a kid has some pretty bad experiences because of societal pretense, the kid is more likely to become a skeptical adult.
having said that, raw intelligence also plays a role.
and having said that... i honestly don't fucking know.
Consciousness is often the result of life experience. The more spiritual, aware, and empathic, presumably even with esp, but some traits show much younger. No, not everybody later has them either. There are selfish people everywhere, and there are the socially inept, no awareness, just greed and their prejudices, or are simply unaware of anything else apart from themselves, and sometimes this is a disability.
Intelligence is often the result of programming, but tends to be more hereditary. Because of better opportunity and tuition. Again it is also an individual talent. Smart people are sometimes the least conscious. They excel at a field of study and sometimes not much else despite having an ability to learn and solve.
Both consciousness and intelligence can be passed down depending on the methods and tuition.
Although as you said trauma or hardship can play a role in your supposed skeptical consciousness, or being around events and things that make them question. Social etiquette however often takes better upbringing and interaction.
I dislike this topic's insinuations. NPC. To be fair I don't think many people care until they are forced too. Until a particular event or experience actually affects them differently. Otherwise they won't research it. They'll simply and like everybody else follow any programming passed on. Again every single brain works differently, and often has difficulties.
a) exper- implies expression (growth) by impressing (loss)...temporary growth (life) requires conscious awareness of ongoing loss (inception towards death).
b) living represents the result of the process of dying; choice (reaction) represents the result of balance (action); growth represents the result of loss; inside represents the result of outside; partial represents the result of whole; perceiving represents the result of perceivable; potential represents the result of potentiality; resistance represents the result of velocity; magnetic represents the result of electric; female represents the result of male; each one represents the result of oneness.
c) suggested OFTEN (frequent) tempts one to ignore that ones free will of choice within the dominance of balance represents frequent adaptation of FREE (living) within DOM (process of dying) aka ones struggle to sustain self.
Sleight of hand: Frequency HURTS (hz)..."no guts, no glory...no pain; no gain...one for all; all for one...riders on the range" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmDckVV5vxQ
Lol, 90% of kids are raised by tv/social media now. Parents are either divorced, or both working their asses off to have material things.
No decent teachers/coaches left. Most of them who actually cared proably quit or was laid off during the covid nonsense.
Not to mention again, the dumbed down education system and the non stop barrage of advertisements sucking up your decision making power.
a) raw represents perceivable whole; cut represents each perceiving partial. The raw natural order represents the alteration for everyone within.
b) knowledge represents perceivable (inspiration); intelligence represents ones consent to stand under aka understanding suggested (information).
c) if one stands under the suggestions by others (intelligence), then one restricts grow of comprehension within perceivable (knowledge).
d) the few brand their suggestions as "knowledge" and the consent of the many as "intelligence".
e) the "ledge of knowing" represents ones perceiving choice in-between perceivable balance (need/want).
you have to go back
a) durable implies able (life) to endure (inception towards death)
b) only temporary within ongoing can be able to endure, hence DURE (able to endure) -ATION (action)
c) one cannot create ENDURANCE (continuance), one can only temporary endure ongoing continuance a moment longer by resisting it, hence building "callus" resistance.
d) "getting a kick out of it" implies continuance kick-starting resistance, hence inspiring adaptation...or else get your shit kicked in.
a) path (inception towards death) generates the ability to walk within (life).
b) light coming into mind (inspiration) gives one the choice to express (comprehension) or repress (ignorance) it.
c) continuance moving forward represents the light behind the resistance within aka those who cast shadows. The incoming light represents the whole "burned offering" for each "light bearer"...
d) "let it be light" implies light (process of dying) letting it be (living). Also; IT (substitute or pronoun of the neuter gender, sometimes called demonstrative)...each partial represents a substitute demonstration within the whole, generated by the whole, "trans" formed out of the momentum (female) of motion (male).
How could nothing be? How could being be done?
Like "inception towards death" and...?
I wanted to ask him the same question LOL :D
a) consciousness represents awareness of being generated aka the reaction within an enacting system.
b) whole "was" perceivable before partial within can make a conscious choice to suggest what it "is".
a) if ones MENT (mind/memory) ARGUES (to reason); then that implies SAKE (to oppress) oneself.
b) being moved forwards (living) implies coming out of (process of dying)...reason tempts one to ignore implication.
a) the "non-player-character" (NPC) represents one who ignores perceivable (reality) for suggested (fiction), hence being tempted to follow orders instead of being the resistance (life) within the natural order.
b) your want to understand about what others suggest "will" happen, tempts you to ignore each ones free "will" of choice within perceivable.
c) perceivable happens (inception towards death aka momentum aka balance); perceiving shapes self within what happens (life aka choice)...unless ignored for the suggestions by others.
d) the child will be what the child chooses to be...all the suggestions of the parents tempts the child to ignore self discernment as free will of choice.
How could one grow free will of choice by consenting to the suggested choices of others?
Nature versus nurture. An NPC watches television and is filled with whatever programming. They teach their young to watch television and get filled with whatever programming . A non NPC possesses critical thinking and critical thinkers teach their young to be critical thinkers. You either give your kid the iPad and leave them alone or you don’t