Abortion is not a political issue it is a moral issue. It is murder and it is wrong. One who supports murder would not be allowed to amount the congregation. This is pretty simple.
It's a collection of cells. At what point does a collection of cells become a human? I think personally its when they develop a brain.
Things you think personally are not important when it is about church not just you.
Catholic Church current consensus is human is human after impregnation. Of course there were times when catholic theology has some different view about the exact moment,but we the subject we discuss is catholics suggesting Joe Bidet because of his support for abortions shall be excomunicated. And according to church law - shall be as it is enough to do so, there is no need to wait for proving he is pedophile and satanist practising child sacrifices - such attitude about abortion is enough to excommunicate him.
performs, has performed on herself, assists in, or makes possible an abortion (can. 1398 CIC, can. 1450 § 2 CCEO),
Possible also:
heretic (can. 1364 § 1 CIC, cf. can. 751 CIC; can. 1436 § 1 CCEO), that is, contumaciously denies or doubts a dogma of the Catholic Church,
being initiated to Freemasonry or other associations of the kind, acting against the Church and legitimate powers (can. 2335),
giving laws or decrees against the freedom and the rights of the Church (can. 2334 no. 1)
Simply Joe Bidet according to catholic rules,according to church's law qualifies as person which shall be EXCOMUNICATED. And EXCOMUNITACION is denying comunion as a sanction. You want to belong to any organization - you shall accept its rules. Period.
Discussing what is abortion or what isn't isn't the clue here.Clue is it is forbidden by the church,so you want to stay in it - you cannot help in it.Simple.
Abortion is a lack of choice. It is a doctor providing an excuse. It has caused irresponsibility and it increases rape stats. There is no consequence from sex faster sexualizing society into more fornication and deviance. Matrimony sooner lessens. Homes faster become divided and relationships get strained. Women have become deviant instead of being mothers. Religion and family values decline.
What has happened to the native population. They are no longer marrying for long, they are no longer birthing. Matrimony lessens because abortion blames, it is an unwanted excuse, as it no longer seeks marriage. Religious values have also departed from a society revelling in deviance. No sooner divorce also faster increases to abort far more or simply to leave family less.
The national population imports more niggers instead. Everybody else is aborting. Crime and rape faster increase.
Speaking as a Protestant, the principle of having communion without doing harm to oneself or one's congregation is dependent on the following SCRIPTURAL precept:
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world. So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment. (1 Corinthians 11:27-34)
Those of us who maintain "close communion" principles are defending this Biblical tenet. Catholicism only errs insofar as it extended that to include civil punishments as it did during the 1500s when it attempted to murder Luther for disagreeing with its Magisterium.
It’s not due to his political views, but how he uses politically his religious views to advance his politcs. It’s like, I can call my restaurant “McDonald’s” all day long, but I’m sure McDonald’s has the authority to decide if my McDonald’s is genuine. See, Biden and the catholic church actually have a lot in common. They see 8 year old children as 19 year old women.
If mutual implies free will of choice; then denying to agree represents choice.
Btw...MU'TUAL, adjective [Latin mutuus, from muto, to change.] implies motion; hence balance for choice of action; while any belief ignores motion for affixed assumption, hence mutual intercourse leading to conflicts of reason.
This is basically a case of Catholics wanting to deny the full observance of their faith to a (crypto) Jew, based on them believing that this person does not follow their faith (abortion is highly contentious issue among Catholics of both sexes).
So I wondered if the reverse was true... and of course it is, but here's some detail:
It is forbidden for a gentile to fully observe Shabbat... [a gentile in the synagogue should] decline any honors that are offered to you... they can't count you in the minyan
No. Protestantism lost those way,and as you are simply atheist from protestant tradition - so you not understand it,not understand basics about faith...
it's also NOT what Jesus would do.
I doubt it.
He took a little child whom he placed among them. Taking the child in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.” - Mark, 9:36-37
“If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. - Matthew 18:6 NIV
"Unamerican" ? Well,I am not American - but since when Americans (or any other nation) have to accept everybody no matter who those person is and what this person does ?! You are suggesting things being completely insane,completely mad. If something according to things you believe is immoral - you have to protest against it,you have to not agree about it !
It's a suggested -ism; which means those who consent to believe in it define the power of those who act in the name of it, so what does power losing direction imply for those consenting to give the power? Could the rhetoric "milked dry" be applied?
Who suggested the idol called Biden to you and why did you chose to consent to it? If someone suggests you a "piece of shit"; would you also consent to it? Would you reason with others about if it's really "a piece of shit"?
Abortion is not a political issue it is a moral issue. It is murder and it is wrong. One who supports murder would not be allowed to amount the congregation. This is pretty simple.
If life (form) moves from inception towards death (form); then does flow murder form and wouldn't that imply life being wrong?
What of morality isn't the conflict between true vs false; but the response of from to flow aka need or want in balance?
As for abortion...pro-life vs pro-choice (conflict of reason), so what if life then (free will of) choice (implication)?
He literally supports and "leads" a party that is OK with "abortion" after the child is born from the womb!
This is not an issue of when the cells are a human. They want to murder a child at any point they desire.
Things you think personally are not important when it is about church not just you. Catholic Church current consensus is human is human after impregnation. Of course there were times when catholic theology has some different view about the exact moment,but we the subject we discuss is catholics suggesting Joe Bidet because of his support for abortions shall be excomunicated. And according to church law - shall be as it is enough to do so, there is no need to wait for proving he is pedophile and satanist practising child sacrifices - such attitude about abortion is enough to excommunicate him.
u/ghost_of_aswartz: actually rather you lost your mind or not understand basics of Catholic doctrine. Simply:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication
So potential reasons are:
Direct:
Possible also:
Simply Joe Bidet according to catholic rules,according to church's law qualifies as person which shall be EXCOMUNICATED. And EXCOMUNITACION is denying comunion as a sanction. You want to belong to any organization - you shall accept its rules. Period.
Discussing what is abortion or what isn't isn't the clue here.Clue is it is forbidden by the church,so you want to stay in it - you cannot help in it.Simple.
They're saying murdering children is a political view. That's media spin
If he stands against the Church, then he is a heretic.
One can not be forced to break bread with their enemy.
He can celebrate communion on his own.
Abortion is a lack of choice. It is a doctor providing an excuse. It has caused irresponsibility and it increases rape stats. There is no consequence from sex faster sexualizing society into more fornication and deviance. Matrimony sooner lessens. Homes faster become divided and relationships get strained. Women have become deviant instead of being mothers. Religion and family values decline.
What has happened to the native population. They are no longer marrying for long, they are no longer birthing. Matrimony lessens because abortion blames, it is an unwanted excuse, as it no longer seeks marriage. Religious values have also departed from a society revelling in deviance. No sooner divorce also faster increases to abort far more or simply to leave family less.
The national population imports more niggers instead. Everybody else is aborting. Crime and rape faster increase.
Witches have caused this.
He isn’t catholic. It’s that simple
Speaking as a Protestant, the principle of having communion without doing harm to oneself or one's congregation is dependent on the following SCRIPTURAL precept:
Those of us who maintain "close communion" principles are defending this Biblical tenet. Catholicism only errs insofar as it extended that to include civil punishments as it did during the 1500s when it attempted to murder Luther for disagreeing with its Magisterium.
It’s not due to his political views, but how he uses politically his religious views to advance his politcs. It’s like, I can call my restaurant “McDonald’s” all day long, but I’m sure McDonald’s has the authority to decide if my McDonald’s is genuine. See, Biden and the catholic church actually have a lot in common. They see 8 year old children as 19 year old women.
If mutual implies free will of choice; then denying to agree represents choice.
Btw...MU'TUAL, adjective [Latin mutuus, from muto, to change.] implies motion; hence balance for choice of action; while any belief ignores motion for affixed assumption, hence mutual intercourse leading to conflicts of reason.
This is basically a case of Catholics wanting to deny the full observance of their faith to a (crypto) Jew, based on them believing that this person does not follow their faith (abortion is highly contentious issue among Catholics of both sexes).
So I wondered if the reverse was true... and of course it is, but here's some detail:
You may disagree that Biden is a crypto Jew, but his Catholicism is certainly a farce - observed for politics only.
No. Protestantism lost those way,and as you are simply atheist from protestant tradition - so you not understand it,not understand basics about faith...
I doubt it.
He took a little child whom he placed among them. Taking the child in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.” - Mark, 9:36-37
“If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. - Matthew 18:6 NIV
"Unamerican" ? Well,I am not American - but since when Americans (or any other nation) have to accept everybody no matter who those person is and what this person does ?! You are suggesting things being completely insane,completely mad. If something according to things you believe is immoral - you have to protest against it,you have to not agree about it !
It's a suggested -ism; which means those who consent to believe in it define the power of those who act in the name of it, so what does power losing direction imply for those consenting to give the power? Could the rhetoric "milked dry" be applied?
Who suggested the idol called Biden to you and why did you chose to consent to it? If someone suggests you a "piece of shit"; would you also consent to it? Would you reason with others about if it's really "a piece of shit"?