Every society that practices FGM also circumcises their boys. For a given culture, the methods and conditions are the same. Tribes in the middle of nowhere in Africa that cut girls with dirty glass do the same to boy's foreskin. Wealthier Muslim countries such as Egypt and Malaysia have both done in a hospital by doctors. FGM is not always done to prevent women from having sex, nor is it always done in a heinous and barbaric way.
For example, last year a doctor in Michigan was acquitted of cutting several young girls belonging to the Dawoodi Bohra sect. It was the first, and last, case of the 1996 Federal anti-FGM law. Their method (performed in a clinic) is just a tiny nick on the clitoral hood, leaving otherwise fully fuctional genitalia.
Sounds like propergand from the west.
Have you spoken to girls not in the west who have had this treatment/traditions?
So it OK to injury boys in the west but not black girls in the rest of the world you say.
I think I just realised that white supremacists is a real thing.
And its also OK to mutilate baby boys ?
Did you copy and past it or you have a interest? Do you think women are victims or the guilty party's in this?
Are you brainwashed? We cherish our women and girls and we do not attempt to “own” them unlike how you people prefer to subjugate your women and girls due to the tendency of your males to be weak and fragile when they become “men”.
Aside: your males are probably weak because Mohammad himself was a weak scared little boy (almost like a girl) throughout his life.
If I was my spelling would be better.
To be honest I don't think I know anyone from Pakistan I knew 3 Indian people. Well load if you count from the NHS..
You think smell comes through the Internet?
Actually 4 Indian people one was back in 2005 not many tbh. What's your point?
In the US, the popularity of circumcision dates back 140 years to Dr Lewis Sayre, one of the founders of the American Medical Association, says David Gollaher author of Circumcision: A History of the World's Most controversial surgeries
So one guy has not got millions of parents to cut of there sons for skin.
The glans (head) is meant to be a semi-internal organ, protected from friction and kept moist by the foreskin.
Many guys, especially straight men, are oblivious to the damage that circumcision has caused. They don't realize that the two-toned color of the shaft, brown rings of the cut line, or mistakes like skin bridges and adhesions are not normal.
Well, there is at least one distinct difference, and that's FGM removes the clitoris and most ability to have sexual pleasure. A circumcision doesn't do that.
That said, no Christian should circumcise their child. They resolved this as not necessary for Christians, WAY back in the 1st century when the original Apostles were still alive.
In western countries, female genital cutting is almost always portrayed using the most severe form (Type 3, infibulation) where the external clitoris, hood, and labia are removed with the vagina stitched almost shut. This is also the rarest type. In raw numbers of baby girls, South East Asia has the highest rate of FGM. However their practice, called Sunat (Type 4, scraping), consists of just a small cut on the clitoris or clitoral hood, leaving otherwise fully fuctional genitalia.
Every society that practices FGM also cuts their boys. For a given culture, the methods and conditions are the same. Tribes in the middle of nowhere in Africa that cut girls with dirty glass do the same to boy's foreskin. Wealthier Muslim countries such as Egypt and Malaysia have both done in a clinic by doctors. FGM is not always done to prevent women from having sex, nor is it always done in a heinous and barbaric way.
Not just from the clitoris that women get pleasure from. So I think your wrong, it's a part they can for sure but so is men's foreskin.
I think that's wrong. We have our traditions why do we say other people's traditions around the word is wrong? When we do something very similar?
Its interesting
I said "most ability" not "all ability". FGM is more akin to what the Muslims would do to their African slaves that were male, not just cut off their testicles, but their dick as well. If Jews want to cut the kid's whole dick off instead of the tip, I'd be for making it illegal.
Let me share with you a great true story about other people's traditions around the world:
British in India were faced with the practice of “suttee” – the tradition of burning widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands. General Sir Charles Napier was impeccably multicultural: “You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”
The practice of suttee disappeared almost immediately.
But your missing the the fact its the same thing. Regarding cutting something off. Ie the boys don't even get to know what it is like to have it.
I'm probably putting it across wrong.
Yes, female hypergamy is a problem, and women recognize it the most in themselves. But that adult women do it to underage girls unable to make an informed decision on the matter should tell you, it is akin to child abuse. Circumcision is sometimes done by adults to other adults. Find me a case where an adult female asks for FGM. Trannies maybe? But that's a different reason.
Lots of people abuse their children in other ways than mutilating their genitals too.
Circumcision in adults?
That that's very rare often for medical reasons such as this issues with the foreskin tightens up I can't remember the term but I have read up on it it the past.
My point is we call other countries savages and demonize them for doing something that we do on a daily basis in America. Mutilate kids.
Will must call out the bullshit things we do in the west before we give a fuk about what others do. Imo
There is a mistaken belief that the foreskin is just "a small piece of skin". When erect, the average penis has a length of 5.2 inches and a circumference (girth) of 5 inches.
Most circumcision procedures will cut 1 to 2 inches behind the tip of the penis. Let's do the math:
1.5x2=3 length of skin removed (average of 1.5") times 2 (the foreskin is a doubled-layered fold)
3x5=15 length times circumference
In an adult, that's at least 15 square inches of densely innervated penile skin that has been removed.
The foreskin doesn't have the practical function of generally preventing orgasms and sexual pleasure, and thus dulling the sex drive. It's part of what makes us human. Your taking a portion of their humanity away with FGM.
I say it does. My fs is amazing!!!!!
And keeps out stuff from the eye and keeps the membrane of the Penis covered
The same thing was said about dogs tales correct. Now we stopes cutting of the dogs tales.
How could any one know?
Your talking about taken away the humanity what they want to do in their culture why do the west interfere. While
Chopping off boys foreskin?
Let me be more clear, FGM mostly prevents orgasms and dulls the sex drive. It takes a portion of person's humanity away because the sex drive is partially what makes us human.
There are over a dozen subcategories of FGM.
What you described is Type III, infibulation, where the external clitoris, hood, and labia are removed with the vagina stitched almost shut. This is also the rarest type.
Type IV is the most common worldwide -- scraping, incising, piercing. Essentially, fully functional genitals.
Routine circumcision in the US was originally promoted as a way to curb masturbation. If we are to believe that FGM is wrong on the basis that it's meant to suppress female sexual pleasure, the same reasoning can be applied to circumcision, regardless of who is promoting the practice.
People in the US have been so brainwashed that it is something they have to do for their child. I Wish I had researched it extensively before I had my son. I just went along with what was the norm. I truly believe it is awful for both male and female. How can we subject an infant to this barbaric custom?! If they don't give the baby any meds, then they can actually die from the pain! That's why many times you'll see crash carts near. It's evil!
Nahid Toubia, anti-FGM activist and Sudan's first female surgeon: "Cutting any healthy part of a child's body, including the genitals, is wrong. The female clitoris and the male foreskin should be guaranteed the same protections as the nose, the hand, or any other body part.
Cultural and religious reasoning must be respected, reviewed, and possibly reformed on the basis of interpretation inspired by the values of social justice inherent to all cultures and religions. We must respect all parts of our children's bodies. Medical reasons for cutting the genitals should be the same as those that govern surgery on other parts of the body."
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Somali-born activist, feminist, victim of FGM: "I think male circumcision is worse than an incision of a girl. With boys, a lot of skin is removed."
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Soraya Miré, Somalian human rights activist, victim of FGM: "The thing that really shocked me when I came to America was the reaction I got when people find out what was happening in those parts of the world about female genital mutilation. And people were horrified, they were shocked, they were angered; it was not even a feminist stance, it was the rights of the child, taking her humanity and integrity.
But behind closed doors they were mutilating their own young boys, sons.
And it's an everyday ritual here, but people don’t see it as a ritual. But to me it's the same thing because mutilation is mutilation. What amazed me is once she showed me a tape of a young boy, who was just born having the surgery done, exactly the same way they tied us like a goat on a table. I think all of us need to protect young children's bodily integrity."
Can I just add the traditional rabbi sucking the baby boys dick intill it stops beading after circumcision still sounds fuked up to me at least. What the hell is that all about. Its a real thing guys
In the US, the popularity of circumcision dates back 140 years to Dr Lewis Sayre, one of the founders of the American Medical Association, says David Gollaher author of Circumcision: A History of the World's Most controversial procedures
The type of male circumcision common today is not at all like the method Jews used to perform in antiquity.
The previous practice was called Brit Milah, which only removed a tiny piece of the foreskin. Often this ended up being nothing more than a nick on the penis, resulting in just a small scar. An example of this method of circumcision would be Michelangelo's statue of David. (Yes, there is an almost imperceptible circ scar line on his penis. To modern eyes, the statue looks uncut.)
After Roman Jews began to "hide their faith" by keeping their foreskin pulled over penis head, the procedure evolved to Brit Pariah which completely removes the penis' foreskin and frenulum... a "high and tight" circumcision.
When people say "circumcision has been done for thousands of years", they probably don't even realize much it has changed. The old Jewish rite of circumcision could be considered very similar to the Sunat method that Muslim families do to their daughters... just a small cut, a drop of blood, but leaving fully functioning genitalia.
That's my point I av no eye dear
Male circumcision:
-only foreskin removed.
-can still achieve erection.
-can still ejaculate.
-nearly fully functional afterwards.
-slightly harder to masturbate (not a bad thing, necessarily).
-glans stays intact (majority of nerve concentration).
-sex is enjoyable and can achieve orgasm.
Female mutilation:
-glans and surrounding skin are sliced and diced and/or removed entirely.
-erections difficult or impossible (healthy females do have erections, so please).
-ejaculation is painful or impossible.
-stimulation is painful or impossible.
-orgasm is painful or impossible.
-sex is not nearly as enjoyable if at all.
-victim becomes an object for sex and otherwise.
Probably some other stuff.
Every society that practices FGM also circumcises their boys. For a given culture, the methods and conditions are the same. Tribes in the middle of nowhere in Africa that cut girls with dirty glass do the same to boy's foreskin. Wealthier Muslim countries such as Egypt and Malaysia have both done in a hospital by doctors. FGM is not always done to prevent women from having sex, nor is it always done in a heinous and barbaric way.
For example, last year a doctor in Michigan was acquitted of cutting several young girls belonging to the Dawoodi Bohra sect. It was the first, and last, case of the 1996 Federal anti-FGM law. Their method (performed in a clinic) is just a tiny nick on the clitoral hood, leaving otherwise fully fuctional genitalia.
Sounds like propergand from the west. Have you spoken to girls not in the west who have had this treatment/traditions?
So it OK to injury boys in the west but not black girls in the rest of the world you say. I think I just realised that white supremacists is a real thing.
And its also OK to mutilate baby boys ?
Did you copy and past it or you have a interest? Do you think women are victims or the guilty party's in this?
Are you brainwashed? We cherish our women and girls and we do not attempt to “own” them unlike how you people prefer to subjugate your women and girls due to the tendency of your males to be weak and fragile when they become “men”.
Aside: your males are probably weak because Mohammad himself was a weak scared little boy (almost like a girl) throughout his life.
Dude I'm English
Women like nancy or maxine? The fat ass pussy singer?
Don't own. What's the wedding ring all about? Put a ring on it?
Why is it OK to hurt the babies boy in the USA? Or Israel or the Muslim world?
You seam to think men are the ones chooping up women? It's not.
You’re a paki from London. Own it already. Can smell you people through the internet.
If I was my spelling would be better. To be honest I don't think I know anyone from Pakistan I knew 3 Indian people. Well load if you count from the NHS..
You think smell comes through the Internet?
Actually 4 Indian people one was back in 2005 not many tbh. What's your point?
Take out your emotions and hate and re read what iv said.
In the US, the popularity of circumcision dates back 140 years to Dr Lewis Sayre, one of the founders of the American Medical Association, says David Gollaher author of Circumcision: A History of the World's Most controversial surgeries
So one guy has not got millions of parents to cut of there sons for skin.
Wow now that's amazing.
Been with loads of women. Had a thing for escorts and travelling. Not now but What do you mean?
The glans (head) is meant to be a semi-internal organ, protected from friction and kept moist by the foreskin.
Many guys, especially straight men, are oblivious to the damage that circumcision has caused. They don't realize that the two-toned color of the shaft, brown rings of the cut line, or mistakes like skin bridges and adhesions are not normal.
This guy is a fed who calls for violence to get this sub shut down.
To answer his question, circumcision signifies paying homage to the annunaki as proven through the rituals of the dogon of mali.
jews claim to be the product of extraterrestrials, as Hitler did as well.
What guy. Definitely report him also post up his calla to violence
Hittler? Never herd of her
That's heir Hitler to you, faggot
Heheeeeee
Well, there is at least one distinct difference, and that's FGM removes the clitoris and most ability to have sexual pleasure. A circumcision doesn't do that.
That said, no Christian should circumcise their child. They resolved this as not necessary for Christians, WAY back in the 1st century when the original Apostles were still alive.
In western countries, female genital cutting is almost always portrayed using the most severe form (Type 3, infibulation) where the external clitoris, hood, and labia are removed with the vagina stitched almost shut. This is also the rarest type. In raw numbers of baby girls, South East Asia has the highest rate of FGM. However their practice, called Sunat (Type 4, scraping), consists of just a small cut on the clitoris or clitoral hood, leaving otherwise fully fuctional genitalia.
Every society that practices FGM also cuts their boys. For a given culture, the methods and conditions are the same. Tribes in the middle of nowhere in Africa that cut girls with dirty glass do the same to boy's foreskin. Wealthier Muslim countries such as Egypt and Malaysia have both done in a clinic by doctors. FGM is not always done to prevent women from having sex, nor is it always done in a heinous and barbaric way.
What is the purpose of FGM?
Not necessary for anybody. Fuck the Christian Bull shit. Muslims(humans shouldn't be chooping up babies and tell others not to
Not just from the clitoris that women get pleasure from. So I think your wrong, it's a part they can for sure but so is men's foreskin.
I think that's wrong. We have our traditions why do we say other people's traditions around the word is wrong? When we do something very similar? Its interesting
I said "most ability" not "all ability". FGM is more akin to what the Muslims would do to their African slaves that were male, not just cut off their testicles, but their dick as well. If Jews want to cut the kid's whole dick off instead of the tip, I'd be for making it illegal.
Let me share with you a great true story about other people's traditions around the world:
British in India were faced with the practice of “suttee” – the tradition of burning widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands. General Sir Charles Napier was impeccably multicultural: “You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”
The practice of suttee disappeared almost immediately.
But your missing the the fact its the same thing. Regarding cutting something off. Ie the boys don't even get to know what it is like to have it.
I'm probably putting it across wrong.
Its the same thing....
FGM is akin to castration, circumcision is akin to some idiot getting piercings and other body modifications.
Both are stupid, but one is decidedly more stupid.
What's worse, is no female would voluntarily get FGM.
You say that but it's the Mom's who get the daughter the chop. The same Mom's who have the same thing.
I think it's something the western world doesn't get but point at and say its the devil?
Justifying chooping the boys dick off is also nuts no me.
Yes, female hypergamy is a problem, and women recognize it the most in themselves. But that adult women do it to underage girls unable to make an informed decision on the matter should tell you, it is akin to child abuse. Circumcision is sometimes done by adults to other adults. Find me a case where an adult female asks for FGM. Trannies maybe? But that's a different reason.
Lots of people abuse their children in other ways than mutilating their genitals too.
Circumcision in adults? That that's very rare often for medical reasons such as this issues with the foreskin tightens up I can't remember the term but I have read up on it it the past.
My point is we call other countries savages and demonize them for doing something that we do on a daily basis in America. Mutilate kids.
Will must call out the bullshit things we do in the west before we give a fuk about what others do. Imo
Isn't it impossible to say cutting of a part of your dick makes less difference?
There is a mistaken belief that the foreskin is just "a small piece of skin". When erect, the average penis has a length of 5.2 inches and a circumference (girth) of 5 inches.
Most circumcision procedures will cut 1 to 2 inches behind the tip of the penis. Let's do the math:
1.5x2=3 length of skin removed (average of 1.5") times 2 (the foreskin is a doubled-layered fold)
3x5=15 length times circumference
In an adult, that's at least 15 square inches of densely innervated penile skin that has been removed.
A old Jewish guy once told me they are collected swoen together u for the store. But it's a tradition
Even worse, the foreskin remnants are now made into a "rejuvenating" facial cream for women.
[The Guardian: Does the ‘foreskin facial’ mark the end of the world?] (https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/shortcuts/2018/nov/26/foreskin-facial-kate-beckinsale-serum-anti-ageing)
Both Ellen and Oprah have promoted it on their TV shows. And they laugh while describing how the foreskin was removed from boys
Yeah I know about that. But the thing I was thinking about was a sheet type thing.
The foreskin doesn't have the practical function of generally preventing orgasms and sexual pleasure, and thus dulling the sex drive. It's part of what makes us human. Your taking a portion of their humanity away with FGM.
I say it does. My fs is amazing!!!!! And keeps out stuff from the eye and keeps the membrane of the Penis covered The same thing was said about dogs tales correct. Now we stopes cutting of the dogs tales.
How could any one know?
Your talking about taken away the humanity what they want to do in their culture why do the west interfere. While Chopping off boys foreskin?
Let me be more clear, FGM mostly prevents orgasms and dulls the sex drive. It takes a portion of person's humanity away because the sex drive is partially what makes us human.
That said, I'm sure your foreskin is just peachy.
There are over a dozen subcategories of FGM. What you described is Type III, infibulation, where the external clitoris, hood, and labia are removed with the vagina stitched almost shut. This is also the rarest type. Type IV is the most common worldwide -- scraping, incising, piercing. Essentially, fully functional genitals.
Routine circumcision in the US was originally promoted as a way to curb masturbation. If we are to believe that FGM is wrong on the basis that it's meant to suppress female sexual pleasure, the same reasoning can be applied to circumcision, regardless of who is promoting the practice.
People in the US have been so brainwashed that it is something they have to do for their child. I Wish I had researched it extensively before I had my son. I just went along with what was the norm. I truly believe it is awful for both male and female. How can we subject an infant to this barbaric custom?! If they don't give the baby any meds, then they can actually die from the pain! That's why many times you'll see crash carts near. It's evil!
Feel for you. I didn't know about the crash carts. That's fuked up. Its evil, like I said my fiskin is amazing,
Liberals do not understand there’s a world outside their make believe after school specials
I don't really know what you mean.? Sorry
Some opinions on male circumcision:
Nahid Toubia, anti-FGM activist and Sudan's first female surgeon: "Cutting any healthy part of a child's body, including the genitals, is wrong. The female clitoris and the male foreskin should be guaranteed the same protections as the nose, the hand, or any other body part.
Cultural and religious reasoning must be respected, reviewed, and possibly reformed on the basis of interpretation inspired by the values of social justice inherent to all cultures and religions. We must respect all parts of our children's bodies. Medical reasons for cutting the genitals should be the same as those that govern surgery on other parts of the body."
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Somali-born activist, feminist, victim of FGM: "I think male circumcision is worse than an incision of a girl. With boys, a lot of skin is removed."
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Soraya Miré, Somalian human rights activist, victim of FGM: "The thing that really shocked me when I came to America was the reaction I got when people find out what was happening in those parts of the world about female genital mutilation. And people were horrified, they were shocked, they were angered; it was not even a feminist stance, it was the rights of the child, taking her humanity and integrity.
But behind closed doors they were mutilating their own young boys, sons.
And it's an everyday ritual here, but people don’t see it as a ritual. But to me it's the same thing because mutilation is mutilation. What amazed me is once she showed me a tape of a young boy, who was just born having the surgery done, exactly the same way they tied us like a goat on a table. I think all of us need to protect young children's bodily integrity."
Can I just add the traditional rabbi sucking the baby boys dick intill it stops beading after circumcision still sounds fuked up to me at least. What the hell is that all about. Its a real thing guys
What do we think about the rabbi sucking the kids dick to stop the bleeding? Its a real thing. No joke
When did the Muslim/Jews traditions of cutting off the boys nob end come to the USA?
In the US, the popularity of circumcision dates back 140 years to Dr Lewis Sayre, one of the founders of the American Medical Association, says David Gollaher author of Circumcision: A History of the World's Most controversial procedures
Do you think women are victims or the guilty party's in this? Or neither its normal for them its been that way for 1000s of years?
The type of male circumcision common today is not at all like the method Jews used to perform in antiquity.
The previous practice was called Brit Milah, which only removed a tiny piece of the foreskin. Often this ended up being nothing more than a nick on the penis, resulting in just a small scar. An example of this method of circumcision would be Michelangelo's statue of David. (Yes, there is an almost imperceptible circ scar line on his penis. To modern eyes, the statue looks uncut.)
After Roman Jews began to "hide their faith" by keeping their foreskin pulled over penis head, the procedure evolved to Brit Pariah which completely removes the penis' foreskin and frenulum... a "high and tight" circumcision.
When people say "circumcision has been done for thousands of years", they probably don't even realize much it has changed. The old Jewish rite of circumcision could be considered very similar to the Sunat method that Muslim families do to their daughters... just a small cut, a drop of blood, but leaving fully functioning genitalia.