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VanillaBean 13 points ago +13 / -0

As someone 50+ imagine the feeling of watching local small businesses struggle and perish while the media and state government are insisting "this is all for you, we're destroying children's futures and ruining people's lives and it's ALL FOR YOU." I never asked for that and never would have. And any grandparents who would sacrifice the future of our generation's grandchildren should be beyond ashamed.

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Dorktron4Runner 5 points ago +5 / -0

I agree with you. Killing the economy and small businesses for this is insane and it will cost many more lives through suicide and drug abuse than just killing old people. I thought all these evolutionists were okay with survival of the fittest? Now, we are supposed to flip our world upside down for the elderly and prioritized groups? That’s stupid.

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Nightcrawler 2 points ago +2 / -0

HARUMPH!

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Everythings 1 point ago +1 / -0

agreed

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tmuktkpuqzyc -3 points ago +3 / -6

It sounds pretty selfish to trade the lives of everyone over 60 so that your kids don't have to wear masks for a year (working on the same assumption you posed here, that everything we're told is true).

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tmuktkpuqzyc -5 points ago +1 / -6

Sure I do. I also see a difference between a mild temporary inconvenience (mask) for one and permanent termination of life (death) for the other. Do you really feel differently?

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VanillaBean 5 points ago +5 / -0

If it was only a temporary matter of mask wearing that would be one thing. Not only do studies show that the masks most people are wearing do nothing to stop the spread of airborne viruses but actually just increase the risk of bacterial pneumonia, furthermore the government has been giving billions upon billions of dollars to monopolistic corporations that don't need it, meanwhile letting small businesses livelihoods go under and filibustering stimulus relief for petty political reasons. Then they try to essentially blame people like me, acting like they just had to ruin working class lives for my sake. It's evil and infuriating. Only weeks ago I saw a local restaurant was trying to put together some contraption of tent sheets and space heaters in a desperate effort to not have to lay off their waitstaff, and local government shut it all down, again claiming it was protect people like me. With loss of income and no stimulus relief how are those waitstaff going to pay living expenses for months all winter long? I can't even imagine having the mentality of wanting to do that to them just to protect myself from voluntarily dining at a restaurant. I am sick as hell of useful idiots trying to blame this willful destruction of livelihoods on people like me. Nobody ever asked us if we wanted to sacrifice others because the vast majority of us would have been repulsed by the thought.

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tmuktkpuqzyc -4 points ago +1 / -5

That's fine, but I'm responding to the material content of OP's post, which is

I would still be okay with it if it meant my kids (and everyone else's) could not wear masks, touch and see people during their lives.

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tmuktkpuqzyc -4 points ago +1 / -5

Yeah no shit, but that's neither here nor there, I'm responding directly to the actual content of OP's post.

I would still be okay with it if it meant my kids (and everyone else's) could not wear masks, touch and see people during their lives.

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Graphenium 2 points ago +4 / -2

He is OP dipshit, either engage with the post in good faith or go back to reddit

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tmuktkpuqzyc -4 points ago +1 / -5

Oooo sick burn, you really got me. I guess I was thrown off by OP not remembering what they themselves just posted.

I am engaging in good faith, I'm disagreeing. It's not like this is a post we can really discuss deeply, it's off-topic with no conspiracy references and very little content overall.

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tmuktkpuqzyc -3 points ago +1 / -4

It's true, I do.

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tmuktkpuqzyc -1 points ago +1 / -2

Well, there was a total lockdown in my city in March and many of those freedoms have since been restored. During WWII there was enforced rationing and internment camps, which were reverted when the war was over. During the Vietnam war the draft was instituted, and then reverted. After 9/11 we weren't allowed to carry lighters and pocket knives on planes, but now we are again.

There are many examples of government restrictions on our freedoms which have been temporary. I'm just not very concerned about the masks, call me crazy, just my opinion.

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Everythings 0 points ago +1 / -1

did you just justify the internment camps

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tmuktkpuqzyc 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nope.

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Everythings 2 points ago +2 / -0

how much longer will you put up with the masks? a month? a year?

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MaddieKaddison 2 points ago +3 / -1

It’s called LIFE. Sometimes bad, challenging things pop up on the timeline you live in and you deal with it. You don’t shoulder the burden on to future generations. We need to stop waiting on the Fairy Tale.

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tmuktkpuqzyc -3 points ago +1 / -4

Ok that's cool, but this is a hypothetical discussion where OP stated that they would rather everyone over 60 die than their children have to wear masks. That's what was stated, that's all that was stated, that's all I'm responding to here.

Do you agree with OP that it would be better for all people over 60 to die than for some children to have to wear masks in public?

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MaddieKaddison 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why waste my time on hypotheticals when for every one Covid death (including gunshots, suicides, anal cancer and car wrecks), 100,000 people survive it?

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tmuktkpuqzyc 1 point ago +1 / -0

Could you explain where you got that number from? With the official number of covid deaths in the US at around 340,000 (including gunshots, suicides, anal cancer and car wrecks) your claim would mean that 34 billion people have already survived it, several times the total number of humans on the planet let alone in America.

340,000 is about 1 in every 1000 Americans. That means that at best 1000 people survive for every 1 that dies, and that's only if every single American has already caught the virus.

The official death toll is certainly debatable for reasons you alluded to, among others, but if you're basing your argument on the official toll then you should check your math.

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MaddieKaddison 1 point ago +1 / -0

I definitely won’t argue with you on the possibility that my math is off (and I appreciate the correction), but I’m looking at the official government number of 19,300,000 cases compared to only 334k ‘deaths’ from Covid.

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tmuktkpuqzyc 1 point ago +1 / -0

Alright cool, so to get the number of survivors per death you do the total number of cases (19,300,000) divided by the number of deaths (334,000) which results in 58 survivors for every death. Put another way, the death rate based on those numbers is 1.7% (about 2 people die out of every 100 that catch the virus).

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arjunas1 -4 points ago +1 / -5

if you kill yourself, i will completely agree with you.

go on... go ahead.

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arjunas1 -2 points ago +1 / -3

i want to believe you.

people must die.

and no better way to prove your point than to kill yourself. youre just a pleeb, anyway.

i will keep your idea alive. i will tell stories of your greatness.

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Everythings 2 points ago +2 / -0

not edgy enough keep trying

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arjunas1 0 points ago +1 / -1

bitch what?

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micaarzur 1 point ago +1 / -0

ROTFLMFAOLOLOL