It sounds pretty selfish to trade the lives of everyone over 60 so that your kids don't have to wear masks for a year (working on the same assumption you posed here, that everything we're told is true).
Sure I do. I also see a difference between a mild temporary inconvenience (mask) for one and permanent termination of life (death) for the other. Do you really feel differently?
If it was only a temporary matter of mask wearing that would be one thing. Not only do studies show that the masks most people are wearing do nothing to stop the spread of airborne viruses but actually just increase the risk of bacterial pneumonia, furthermore the government has been giving billions upon billions of dollars to monopolistic corporations that don't need it, meanwhile letting small businesses livelihoods go under and filibustering stimulus relief for petty political reasons. Then they try to essentially blame people like me, acting like they just had to ruin working class lives for my sake. It's evil and infuriating. Only weeks ago I saw a local restaurant was trying to put together some contraption of tent sheets and space heaters in a desperate effort to not have to lay off their waitstaff, and local government shut it all down, again claiming it was protect people like me. With loss of income and no stimulus relief how are those waitstaff going to pay living expenses for months all winter long? I can't even imagine having the mentality of wanting to do that to them just to protect myself from voluntarily dining at a restaurant. I am sick as hell of useful idiots trying to blame this willful destruction of livelihoods on people like me. Nobody ever asked us if we wanted to sacrifice others because the vast majority of us would have been repulsed by the thought.
Well, there was a total lockdown in my city in March and many of those freedoms have since been restored. During WWII there was enforced rationing and internment camps, which were reverted when the war was over. During the Vietnam war the draft was instituted, and then reverted. After 9/11 we weren't allowed to carry lighters and pocket knives on planes, but now we are again.
There are many examples of government restrictions on our freedoms which have been temporary. I'm just not very concerned about the masks, call me crazy, just my opinion.
It’s called LIFE. Sometimes bad, challenging things pop up on the timeline you live in and you deal with it. You don’t shoulder the burden on to future generations. We need to stop waiting on the Fairy Tale.
Ok that's cool, but this is a hypothetical discussion where OP stated that they would rather everyone over 60 die than their children have to wear masks. That's what was stated, that's all that was stated, that's all I'm responding to here.
Do you agree with OP that it would be better for all people over 60 to die than for some children to have to wear masks in public?
Why waste my time on hypotheticals when for every one Covid death (including gunshots, suicides, anal cancer and car wrecks), 100,000 people survive it?
Could you explain where you got that number from? With the official number of covid deaths in the US at around 340,000 (including gunshots, suicides, anal cancer and car wrecks) your claim would mean that 34 billion people have already survived it, several times the total number of humans on the planet let alone in America.
340,000 is about 1 in every 1000 Americans. That means that at best 1000 people survive for every 1 that dies, and that's only if every single American has already caught the virus.
The official death toll is certainly debatable for reasons you alluded to, among others, but if you're basing your argument on the official toll then you should check your math.
It sounds pretty selfish to trade the lives of everyone over 60 so that your kids don't have to wear masks for a year (working on the same assumption you posed here, that everything we're told is true).
Sure I do. I also see a difference between a mild temporary inconvenience (mask) for one and permanent termination of life (death) for the other. Do you really feel differently?
If it was only a temporary matter of mask wearing that would be one thing. Not only do studies show that the masks most people are wearing do nothing to stop the spread of airborne viruses but actually just increase the risk of bacterial pneumonia, furthermore the government has been giving billions upon billions of dollars to monopolistic corporations that don't need it, meanwhile letting small businesses livelihoods go under and filibustering stimulus relief for petty political reasons. Then they try to essentially blame people like me, acting like they just had to ruin working class lives for my sake. It's evil and infuriating. Only weeks ago I saw a local restaurant was trying to put together some contraption of tent sheets and space heaters in a desperate effort to not have to lay off their waitstaff, and local government shut it all down, again claiming it was protect people like me. With loss of income and no stimulus relief how are those waitstaff going to pay living expenses for months all winter long? I can't even imagine having the mentality of wanting to do that to them just to protect myself from voluntarily dining at a restaurant. I am sick as hell of useful idiots trying to blame this willful destruction of livelihoods on people like me. Nobody ever asked us if we wanted to sacrifice others because the vast majority of us would have been repulsed by the thought.
That's fine, but I'm responding to the material content of OP's post, which is
Yeah no shit, but that's neither here nor there, I'm responding directly to the actual content of OP's post.
It's true, I do.
Well, there was a total lockdown in my city in March and many of those freedoms have since been restored. During WWII there was enforced rationing and internment camps, which were reverted when the war was over. During the Vietnam war the draft was instituted, and then reverted. After 9/11 we weren't allowed to carry lighters and pocket knives on planes, but now we are again.
There are many examples of government restrictions on our freedoms which have been temporary. I'm just not very concerned about the masks, call me crazy, just my opinion.
It’s called LIFE. Sometimes bad, challenging things pop up on the timeline you live in and you deal with it. You don’t shoulder the burden on to future generations. We need to stop waiting on the Fairy Tale.
Ok that's cool, but this is a hypothetical discussion where OP stated that they would rather everyone over 60 die than their children have to wear masks. That's what was stated, that's all that was stated, that's all I'm responding to here.
Do you agree with OP that it would be better for all people over 60 to die than for some children to have to wear masks in public?
Why waste my time on hypotheticals when for every one Covid death (including gunshots, suicides, anal cancer and car wrecks), 100,000 people survive it?
Could you explain where you got that number from? With the official number of covid deaths in the US at around 340,000 (including gunshots, suicides, anal cancer and car wrecks) your claim would mean that 34 billion people have already survived it, several times the total number of humans on the planet let alone in America.
340,000 is about 1 in every 1000 Americans. That means that at best 1000 people survive for every 1 that dies, and that's only if every single American has already caught the virus.
The official death toll is certainly debatable for reasons you alluded to, among others, but if you're basing your argument on the official toll then you should check your math.