Plus it is permanent. I know that some people may not like that, but it means that you know for certain if money was transferred to you that it cannot be undone.

Here’s another interesting idea: retailers and bankers in general require a lot of information about you for the sole reason that they can prove it is really you making the transaction.

If using Bitcoin though, who cares? As long as the money is sent, it does not matter because there is nothing to dispute.

So for a service, just send the crypto and use whatever email account as an identifier. If you are buying a physical object, why should you provide anything other than an address to ship to?

Of course it isn’t that simple because the government “must” know all this information for its own purposes, but it could be that simple, which is amazing.

Really? I thought it was totally tracked by the government.

That’s how evil wins. We say “there was no choice”.

Read the Bible sometime.

Do you buy gold? Yeah you said so up above. So it’s pretty hilarious for you to talk about utility. I’m guessing you don’t have much of it.

How would you move it if you ever needed to? How do you secure it? How would you transport it across borders?

None of those are a problem for Bitcoin.

And they legit is worry, they'll be hackable with quantum computing. I though that was sci-fi, but apparently it's not.

No it’s not a legit worry. Do you realize that if they can break the encryption that protects Bitcoin, they can break ANY encryption?

So goodbye online commerce, banking, etc. It’s never going to happen.

Sure "The Man" doesn't control your coins, but he seems to control every other bottleneck.

And??? The government is involved in everything, and you are going to dump on the one thing that gives you the ability to store and transfer your wealth without their permission?

This is stupid. It’s like saying guns are a scam because the government can restrict where you use or carry them, or who can buy them.

Does it make the gun bad for self-defense? Nope.

People sell their souls for nothing these days.

Yes put more women in charge. That will save us.

Damn, I read “Tyranny is alive” as “Tranny is alive”. I should take a break from the internet…

But seriously, the beautiful thing about what is happening is that it is all rooted in the cult of death, the cult of Satan. So no matter how bad it gets, it will ultimately fail.

People don’t seem to want to resist this ideology as far as I can tell. It seems like our society is being set up to fail on purpose in order to usher in something worse. If it happens it will be well deserved.

If parents are allowing this then they do not love their children.

I think that draining it requires you to have awareness of what is actually happening, and I agree with you that this is what he was successful at doing while in office.

I don’t think it was realistic to think he would change the government when all of them are relying on the corruption to continue for their paychecks.

It always had to be a bottom up thing.

I wasn't much older than you were at the time. People deep down know what is right and wrong, even if they are conditioned to believe otherwise. (that's why they must be conditioned, it's not a natural state to be in)

I always thought homosexuality was freaking weird, even though I was definitely conditioned to accept it or be considered a bigot. I had a friend who was gay, and I remember thinking at the time, "Well as long as he isn't asking ME to go that route, it's not my problem".

I still feel the same way, though my understanding of just how immoral it is has changed. It really is his problem, but if I could go back I would have made it clear that it was wrong and tried to correct him. My understanding of casual sex has definitely changed (you are right about the Friends normalizing that stuff), but even then I knew there was something off about it, I just had not heard anyone voicing opposition. Most of what I heard back then was negative stuff about being a virgin or whatever. I totally get it now. It's insecure/immoral people trying to normalize their behavior, same as the gays. They attack what is good rather than fix their own problems, because that's easier than admitting you are wrong.

I wish I had the awareness I have now so I could articulate it better then. Everyone knows it doesn't feel right though. Notice that no one portrays homosexuality as righteous, just as normal or tolerable. Same with casual sex.

There is nothing new under the sun.

believing that crypto is the revolution society needs to break free from the Fed / CIA / Deep State / partisan right-left divide / what-have-you, I'm afraid you'll be wrong in the end on that one

I don't believe that. I believe it is a useful financial tool to protect your wealth in a time where the government is hyper aggressive in stealing it. I meant freedom not in the absolute sense, only in the narrow financial one. (and only in the sense that you are able to move/control your money, obviously it doesn't help you against taxation or imprisonment) The real problems are cultural rot and the lack of faith in God. Technology can't fix that.

This forum's main utility is that it allows the community to keep each other up to date on serious current events. It's not really populated by plebs, it's not really a place to convince sheeple of ideologies at the moment, so let's not try to market new paradigms as savior to our problems, and actually be skeptical + philosophical of what it entails. However a good debate needs the thesis and antithesis approach so I appreciate your comments.

I'm explicitly taking a position here so you may see me as not having understood or seen the critical side, but I only take positions after I have already evaluated the pros and cons. Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies have many issues, there is no doubt about it, but the concept is sound and the particulars are always changing (meaning there is the possibility to improve its faults). I don't know why you think I'm trying to convince you of an ideology, as I'm merely pointing out some of the technical errors you are making in your assumptions. Nevertheless I too appreciate the back and forth.

You don't need to understand the technical details of cryptocurrency to really get why it has value. You only need to understand the philosophical characteristics underpinning what money is, and once you understand that, then you just need to evaluate whether it is possible for a digital currency to meet those qualifications. That's what my thinking is based on. What makes it exciting for me is that the digital aspect means it has additional attributes not available to physical materials, like near instant transmission and more explicit ownership (which means better security).

When people are shown to be in a Cult, often they don't reject the cult and leave..

He is Compromised by the ZOG

He was talking about the phrase you dummy.

Yeah that's called being a normal human being lol. I thought "pede" and "pepe" were pretty fucking weird the first time I encountered them, but they grow on you and you get used to using them.

Christian/normies will be disillusioned and abandon their beliefs because they aren't capable of tolerating hardship/conflict

True Christians know that suffering brings you closer to God, so all this will do is expose the fake ones who are already worshiping Lucifer but don't know it.

Not faster, instant. That is the word he used. Maybe it is an exaggeration on his part, but just for the sake of example, let’s say he is correct.

Don’t you think if you are relying on an API, you would need to do a hell of a lot of polling to have instant responses?

You can only do 60 requests per minute, one per second, and some of those requests need to be spent on performing other activities.

So at a minimum, you would need to interleave requests to check the comment replies to the bot at regular, short intervals, and you need to ensure that no matter what activities your bot does, it does not exceed the limit.

It’s not like the replies come at regular intervals either. Say you get five replies to a comment, well if you want to respond instantly, that means you would need some buffer so that you are always free to send a response without hitting the API limit. So you can’t even fit one action per second. You need to be far below that in case you want to do something more than just check the messages you are receiving.

I’m saying it doesn’t even make sense, from a bot writer’s pov, to have instant responses. As you mentioned, you would be far more realistic if you didn’t do that at all.

So then why would instant responses even be a consideration? Well they wouldn’t unless you were not subject to the limitations of Reddit’s API.

So you haven't heard of a distributed database? Server shards?

Doesn’t matter how it is organized. A database is still controlled by one entity.

The easiest way to understand crypto is to understand that it's just a huge database, but instead of being on one server, it's spread across many clients. I said this in my previous comment.

Show me a database that does not have a single authority governing reads and writes.That’s the distinction.

Yeah lol. Some of them consume insane amounts of storage space instead of consuming insane amounts of energy.

Right, so consuming storage space is a lot more energy efficient than what Bitcoin must do. And some of them consume neither. It’s not a fundamental limitation, it just shows how new cryptocurrency is as a technology and that we have a lot to learn.

But they ride on top of Bitcoin's price and legacy, which uses a ton of energy. These green cryptos are an extension to Bitcoin, not a replacement (yet).

They can function just fine without Bitcoin. If Bitcoin disappeared tomorrow then any of these newer cryptos could replace it. The only thing preventing that is trust in Bitcoin due to how long it has been around.

That was my point. Crypto doesn't offer freedom from tyrannical governments. It gives tyrannical governments more power and ability to control people's lives adhoc, on the microtransaction scale.

Wrong. Just because you can manipulate exchanges doesn’t mean crypto doesn’t offer freedom. Government manipulates everything that it can. So what? If they banned guns, that wouldn’t stop guns from being a good self-defense tool, just as banning crypto wouldn’t make crypto bad as money, just more difficult to use than it would be otherwise. They still would not have power over how it works.

If people decided to use cryptocurrency instead of fiat, just as an example, then there is nothing the government could do about it. Yes they control the exchanges, but only because people are still interested in fiat.

If you used crypto for everything, what are they going to do? Not realistic today, sure, but it certainly could be in the future.

God can also be manipulated. Look at what the religious institutes did. Look at what the social engineers and CIA do to control our minds. God is consciousness and for most people in society they are part of the unconscious hive mind, where everyone confirms each other's beliefs and moves in unison like sheep, it is a womb created for them by government for them to feel safe.

This is going off topic but no, God cannot be manipulated by man. The churches are godless, as most people are, but that is not due to the government.

Yes if it can bring prosperity to the world, no if the purpose is to bring prosperity to oneself.

You have to be capable of the latter before you can do the former. Everyone has to eat, and many have to provide for their family too.

For example creator of Litecoin doing a news interview about "the surging crypto market" when he actually sold all his Litecoin already.

That’s hilarious. Do you know why he sold? To avoid the same criticisms that you are leveling at him as being greedy and self-interested. He got rid of what he had so he could avoid any biased appearance and concentrate on just making his crypto the best that it could be. Personally I don’t think it matters and people will judge you no matter what.

For many of these crypto gurus, it's a quick path to an exit strategy/retirement plan. They don't care about YOU, man.

I’m not invested in the creators, I just want the technology that can replace fiat currency as money. I’m not the only one.

That's debatable wouldn't you agree.

Sure, I’m only stating my position on it. Writing code, developing something that must be secure, robust, and fast, among many other qualities, that takes a lot of work. Maybe it can be done as a hobby while you have another job to pay the bills, but personally, I can’t begrudge someone wanting the project to fund its own development so they can work on it full time, and even hire additional developers and pay them salaries.

Some cryptos supply is not fixed, and that is their main feature.

Yes and that kills their potential imo. We already have the dollar as an inflating digital currency, so why do we need another one? Seems like a blockchain would be pure overhead in comparison.

Don't you think the federal reserve is looking for a compromise? Wouldn't they want something like DOGE, where they can "print more money" when they need to? Elon made a joke about this, but he was kinda serious. The Fed's job is to manipulate the finances to keep things afloat and prevent huge shocks to the market. There is a new crypto out that also injects more (new) supply into the system every so often. Wouldn't the Fed want something like this? I think they would...and I also think they would want physical (printed) fiat with crypto codes on it, backed by a Fed coin. Not sure what they'll do.

They can already do that to some degree because the dollar is digital. They want much worse than Doge. They want what China is currently experimenting with, electronic currency that they can put a expiration date on to force you to spend it or lose it.

That’s why cryptocurrency is so important. We want a money that they cannot tamper with. I know you are skeptical, and that’s fine, but if it is possible to create a money that they cannot control, then shouldn’t that be pursued?

The gold standard is never coming back, especially given modern standards of convenience. The only way forward is a secure digital money that is not owned by any single entity. That’s what Bitcoin established and why it is so important.

People complain about its energy consumption, but if it allowed us to have a fixed money supply again? How is that not worth it? Fortunately technology is always improving and it looks like we won’t have to settle for a subpar solution.

Many digital “coins” have been pump and dump scams, that’s why you have to do your research to know what is real and what isn’t. I wouldn’t jump to the far extreme and say that any digital money is a scam though.

I can read through the Bitcoin whitepaper and know how it works. I can read the code to be certain it is implementing what the paper talks about. I can see that when a flaw or bug is discovered, developers work to patch it. So where is the scam?

If the founder took some of the original amount for himself, so what? If it is what it claims to be, then that does not make it less valuable as money. I mean come on man, you need to compare it to the dollar where we are getting raped by inflation and the elites are the first ones to see the money and spend it before some trickles down to us.

Compared to the huge scam that is the dollar, what you are describing is choir boy activity. Btw, I don’t even have crypto. I sold all mine to buy stuff and I’m undoubtedly going to miss all the huge gains people are making now. I don’t care.

To me it’s about developing an alternative to the crap system we have now. We’ll never be free as long as we rely on the Federal Reserve. Do you see people’s understanding of money improving or not over time? We can be perpetual slaves, or we can work on creating something better.

The problem here is that you're just a theorist. I've been writing bots, scrapers and pollers for over twenty years.

Uh no, I’ve written bots as well…

There isn't a magic filter and you'll find in reality limits are quite forgiving. You'll also find that a few heuristic targets and you don't have to poll a great deal.

You do if you want instant responses, because you need to know about them before you can reply, correct? Given that you need to first check for those replies, you have to be polling pretty frequently if you want your responses to be instant. Far too frequently to be workable if you are doing other things with your bot too.

Everything you're talking about is blind theory without any real metrics. What's the actual request rate per minute? You're pulling numbers out of your butt that on the face of it don't hack. You don't get rate limited hitting F5 twice in 30 seconds.

Well if you are going to whine about it, reddit’s API limits you to 60 requests per minute. If you are doing actual bot like activity, that’s not a lot.

The assumption that a bot would necessarily poll at a fixed interval is also primitive. You can make one that speeds up or slows down based on rate of change.

The reason you would poll at a fixed interval is to reduce requests… I mean I’d assume your bot is not just checking replies. It would be crawling, voting, checking replies, replying, posting, checking messages, among other things. Each of those is an API request.

Comment responses are likely to be inevitably avoided and easily delayed to appear more organic. It's downvotes that you'll notice are more likely to be instant. You could see this pattern on reddit.

Dude, my whole reply is in regard to someone saying that bots are responding instantly. So yeah, obviously you could delay responses to appear more organic, but that’s not what we’re talking about…

Can’t blame the Jews entirely. If people had common sense they wouldn’t be watching the perverted programming to begin with. Who wants to watch a show about homosexuals? I sure as hell don’t. So how was it popular enough to influence people?

Even now I can hardly watch any television or film because it’s all disgusting to me. Filled with trannies, homos, “empowered” women, weak men… I just find better things to do. Face it, people had to have corrupted themselves in order to be manipulated by this trash in the first place.

Of course, but people are aware of that and form their own, go to another one, or just stop going to churches and pray to God themselves. I mean look around at all the negative comments about the Catholic Church and tell me people don’t acknowledge there is corruption in religion.

Look at science though. What is the alternative? You either agree with the mainstream or you are ostracized. Where are the groups of scientists who are totally committed to the scientific method? To reproducibility?

At best you might start your own blog, but you are easily dismissed by academics, and why would the average person trust you over all the other scientists who have “consensus”?

I read an article not long ago about a scientist who submitted a paper to correct someone else. They were attacked and belittled, and they said that they could not fathom someone outright fabricating the data. There is not a great awareness of the corruption in science yet. People simply take it on faith that everyone is seeking to discover the truth and being as objective as possible.

Each crypto is a type of tech stack that runs on the decentralized "block chain" / "ledger" which is just a giant database spread across many corporate and end-user computers. They use fancy words for database and other stuff, which is intentional for the marketing scam that woos new people into the hype.

It’s not a database. A database is a centralized store of data which someone ultimately has the power to change at will.

The blockchain is distributed, and no individual person can rewrite it. (unless they control computing power equivalent to 51% of the total computing power of the entire network, which is not easy to do and gets harder by the day)

The key technical innovation here is having a distributed system of record keeping that does not rely on any individual to be trustworthy. You can read the paper for the technical details because it is written in plain English.

It can be controlled down to the single resident living in an apartment with a smart meter; they can disable your power remotely with the flip of the switch...smart grid indeed. Just try thinking it out a bit further.

That’s not how it works. Yes they can track your energy usage, yes they can shut it off. No they cannot know what you are doing with that energy. Yes it is easy to mask.

It is a serious energy hungry thing (virus to say the least) and requires a big government grid to operate. It is consuming microchip supply like crazy, GPUs and CPUs are being first-classed to crypto mining farms with plebs getting the short end of the stick and last gen's hardware, it's fucked. Crypto is not possible without the type of energy grid that BIG government offers.

You haven’t done enough research because you seem to believe that Bitcoin represents how all cryptocurrencies work. No, not all of them consume large amounts of energy the way Bitcoin does.

The entire crypto market is pinned to Bitcoin even though BTC itself is not the most optimized of them.

That’s because BTC is the original and most trustworthy one. It’s the same reason people tend to prefer name brands over similar generic drugs.

I'm an early investor. Still do your research.

I’m a computer programmer, I’ve done my research.

It's easily manipulated and controlled by governments. They can simply ban it. Or tax it. Control the exchanges, etc.

Name something that isn’t, other than God lol.

And it's a giant pyramid scheme with the first many hundred/thousand Bitcoins unaccounted for (held by an unknown party).

Those things do not logically follow. Many cryptos openly reserve the first X amount to pay for continued development. Do you expect people to do all this hard work for free? It doesn’t hurt the integrity of the crypto if the founder holds some for themselves. The critical thing is that the supply of crypto is fixed and not manipulated, because then nothing would separate it from fiat currency.

There are two main options for getting the data, scraping or using their API. (the other options are being reddit and having the data locally, or reddit pushing the data to you)

The scrapers will have a delay because they are forced to poll at regular intervals to obtain the data. Your delay won’t be short because you don’t want to be banned for spamming their server. You could operate from unique IP addresses using a VPN, but if you are running a bot farm, it doesn’t matter.

If you are using their API, then you will be rate limited for the same reason. They don’t want to waste bandwidth or have their servers overloaded.

So no matter what, you will have some kind of delay. A minute or two, or at least thirty seconds.

If you are getting replies instantly, that’s because the bot doing the replying doesn’t need to ask for the data over the internet. They are watching for or being notified of it immediately. So either reddit is running the bots, or they are forwarding the messages to the bots as soon as replies are posted. There has to be some coordination.