Cryptocurrency is an energy hungry AI Virus.
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It’s not a database. A database is a centralized store of data which someone ultimately has the power to change at will.
The blockchain is distributed, and no individual person can rewrite it. (unless they control computing power equivalent to 51% of the total computing power of the entire network, which is not easy to do and gets harder by the day)
The key technical innovation here is having a distributed system of record keeping that does not rely on any individual to be trustworthy. You can read the paper for the technical details because it is written in plain English.
That’s not how it works. Yes they can track your energy usage, yes they can shut it off. No they cannot know what you are doing with that energy. Yes it is easy to mask.
You haven’t done enough research because you seem to believe that Bitcoin represents how all cryptocurrencies work. No, not all of them consume large amounts of energy the way Bitcoin does.
That’s because BTC is the original and most trustworthy one. It’s the same reason people tend to prefer name brands over similar generic drugs.
I’m a computer programmer, I’ve done my research.
Name something that isn’t, other than God lol.
Those things do not logically follow. Many cryptos openly reserve the first X amount to pay for continued development. Do you expect people to do all this hard work for free? It doesn’t hurt the integrity of the crypto if the founder holds some for themselves. The critical thing is that the supply of crypto is fixed and not manipulated, because then nothing would separate it from fiat currency.
So you haven't heard of a distributed database? Server shards?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_database
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shard_(database_architecture)
The easiest way to understand crypto is to understand that it's just a huge database, but instead of being on one server, it's spread across many clients. I said this in my previous comment.
The industry does this all the time. They take existing technology and repackage it into a "new" paradigm. It's marketing. The technology behind crypto has existed for years. Look at Bit Torrent, or distributed databases. Smart contracts existed before Bitcoin. We saw this repackaging/marketing thing a few years ago with the emergence of "the cloud". It's the fucking internet, dude.
Yeah lol. Some of them consume insane amounts of storage space instead of consuming insane amounts of energy.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/chia-crypto-farming-can-destroy-ssds
Sure, there are some newer cryptos that use less energy. But they ride on top of Bitcoin's price and legacy, which uses a ton of energy. These green cryptos are an extension to Bitcoin, not a replacement (yet).
That was my point. Crypto doesn't offer freedom from tyrannical governments. It gives tyrannical governments more power and ability to control people's lives adhoc, on the microtransaction scale.
God can also be manipulated. Look at what the religious institutes did. Look at what the social engineers and CIA do to control our minds. God is consciousness and for most people in society they are part of the unconscious hive mind, where everyone confirms each other's beliefs and moves in unison like sheep, it is a womb created for them by government for them to feel safe.
I have low expectations of people. Should people do hard work for free? Yes if it can bring prosperity to the world, no if the purpose is to bring prosperity to oneself. Fine line between helping out and selling out. Lots of crypto gurus are going to show their colors soon. For example creator of Litecoin doing a news interview about "the surging crypto market" when he actually sold all his Litecoin already. For many of these crypto gurus, it's a quick path to an exit strategy/retirement plan. They don't care about YOU, man.
That's debatable wouldn't you agree.
Some cryptos supply is not fixed, and that is their main feature.
Don't you think the federal reserve is looking for a compromise? Wouldn't they want something like DOGE, where they can "print more money" when they need to? Elon made a joke about this, but he was kinda serious. The Fed's job is to manipulate the finances to keep things afloat and prevent huge shocks to the market. There is a new crypto out that also injects more (new) supply into the system every so often. Wouldn't the Fed want something like this? I think they would...and I also think they would want physical (printed) fiat with crypto codes on it, backed by a Fed coin. Not sure what they'll do.
Doesn’t matter how it is organized. A database is still controlled by one entity.
Show me a database that does not have a single authority governing reads and writes.That’s the distinction.
Right, so consuming storage space is a lot more energy efficient than what Bitcoin must do. And some of them consume neither. It’s not a fundamental limitation, it just shows how new cryptocurrency is as a technology and that we have a lot to learn.
They can function just fine without Bitcoin. If Bitcoin disappeared tomorrow then any of these newer cryptos could replace it. The only thing preventing that is trust in Bitcoin due to how long it has been around.
Wrong. Just because you can manipulate exchanges doesn’t mean crypto doesn’t offer freedom. Government manipulates everything that it can. So what? If they banned guns, that wouldn’t stop guns from being a good self-defense tool, just as banning crypto wouldn’t make crypto bad as money, just more difficult to use than it would be otherwise. They still would not have power over how it works.
If people decided to use cryptocurrency instead of fiat, just as an example, then there is nothing the government could do about it. Yes they control the exchanges, but only because people are still interested in fiat.
If you used crypto for everything, what are they going to do? Not realistic today, sure, but it certainly could be in the future.
This is going off topic but no, God cannot be manipulated by man. The churches are godless, as most people are, but that is not due to the government.
You have to be capable of the latter before you can do the former. Everyone has to eat, and many have to provide for their family too.
That’s hilarious. Do you know why he sold? To avoid the same criticisms that you are leveling at him as being greedy and self-interested. He got rid of what he had so he could avoid any biased appearance and concentrate on just making his crypto the best that it could be. Personally I don’t think it matters and people will judge you no matter what.
I’m not invested in the creators, I just want the technology that can replace fiat currency as money. I’m not the only one.
Sure, I’m only stating my position on it. Writing code, developing something that must be secure, robust, and fast, among many other qualities, that takes a lot of work. Maybe it can be done as a hobby while you have another job to pay the bills, but personally, I can’t begrudge someone wanting the project to fund its own development so they can work on it full time, and even hire additional developers and pay them salaries.
Yes and that kills their potential imo. We already have the dollar as an inflating digital currency, so why do we need another one? Seems like a blockchain would be pure overhead in comparison.
They can already do that to some degree because the dollar is digital. They want much worse than Doge. They want what China is currently experimenting with, electronic currency that they can put a expiration date on to force you to spend it or lose it.
That’s why cryptocurrency is so important. We want a money that they cannot tamper with. I know you are skeptical, and that’s fine, but if it is possible to create a money that they cannot control, then shouldn’t that be pursued?
The gold standard is never coming back, especially given modern standards of convenience. The only way forward is a secure digital money that is not owned by any single entity. That’s what Bitcoin established and why it is so important.
People complain about its energy consumption, but if it allowed us to have a fixed money supply again? How is that not worth it? Fortunately technology is always improving and it looks like we won’t have to settle for a subpar solution.
Many digital “coins” have been pump and dump scams, that’s why you have to do your research to know what is real and what isn’t. I wouldn’t jump to the far extreme and say that any digital money is a scam though.
I can read through the Bitcoin whitepaper and know how it works. I can read the code to be certain it is implementing what the paper talks about. I can see that when a flaw or bug is discovered, developers work to patch it. So where is the scam?
If the founder took some of the original amount for himself, so what? If it is what it claims to be, then that does not make it less valuable as money. I mean come on man, you need to compare it to the dollar where we are getting raped by inflation and the elites are the first ones to see the money and spend it before some trickles down to us.
Compared to the huge scam that is the dollar, what you are describing is choir boy activity. Btw, I don’t even have crypto. I sold all mine to buy stuff and I’m undoubtedly going to miss all the huge gains people are making now. I don’t care.
To me it’s about developing an alternative to the crap system we have now. We’ll never be free as long as we rely on the Federal Reserve. Do you see people’s understanding of money improving or not over time? We can be perpetual slaves, or we can work on creating something better.
I don't disagree with most of what you said, and most of what I said is definitely accurate, but believing that crypto is the revolution society needs to break free from the Fed / CIA / Deep State / partisan right-left divide / what-have-you, I'm afraid you'll be wrong in the end on that one. But I hope you're right! I myself am always working on solutions to the problems I see...
This forum's main utility is that it allows the community to keep each other up to date on serious current events. It's not really populated by plebs, it's not really a place to convince sheeple of ideologies at the moment, so let's not try to market new paradigms as savior to our problems, and actually be skeptical + philosophical of what it entails. However a good debate needs the thesis and antithesis approach so I appreciate your comments.
There is nothing new under the sun.
I don't believe that. I believe it is a useful financial tool to protect your wealth in a time where the government is hyper aggressive in stealing it. I meant freedom not in the absolute sense, only in the narrow financial one. (and only in the sense that you are able to move/control your money, obviously it doesn't help you against taxation or imprisonment) The real problems are cultural rot and the lack of faith in God. Technology can't fix that.
I'm explicitly taking a position here so you may see me as not having understood or seen the critical side, but I only take positions after I have already evaluated the pros and cons. Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies have many issues, there is no doubt about it, but the concept is sound and the particulars are always changing (meaning there is the possibility to improve its faults). I don't know why you think I'm trying to convince you of an ideology, as I'm merely pointing out some of the technical errors you are making in your assumptions. Nevertheless I too appreciate the back and forth.
You don't need to understand the technical details of cryptocurrency to really get why it has value. You only need to understand the philosophical characteristics underpinning what money is, and once you understand that, then you just need to evaluate whether it is possible for a digital currency to meet those qualifications. That's what my thinking is based on. What makes it exciting for me is that the digital aspect means it has additional attributes not available to physical materials, like near instant transmission and more explicit ownership (which means better security).