You don’t think the billions of dollars given to nasa could be used instead to find out the shape of the surface we live on?
Nasa is primarily a tax embezzlement scheme. You can give them any amount of money and you will almost never get anything of value back, and certainly nothing ever worth/justifying the investment.
This is indisputably factual regardless of what shape the world is, and wether or not "outer space" exists and nasa actually travels there (and/or back). It's the reason for the apollo 13 episode, because audiences had already completely tuned out and wanted to withdraw funding during episode 12.
People that trust the government almost deserve their constant abuse by them. Almost.
I understand the context, you’re saying that is what the Bible describes the earth as.
And is that the same thing as saying the earth is flat?
Do you not agree with that description?
Personally, i am more aptly described as a globe skeptic/denier/critic. I lack the verified and verifiable data to make a certain determination of what shape the world is, but i am more than justified by my research in concluding that it cannot be (and is not) spherical in the manner we are taught.
I’m not a bot.
Then go back and read our previous discussion on this comment which explains it at length. Remember, context is key to meaning.
Would you like to have a conversation on a platform that allows for voice/video call?
That, sadly, wouldn't prove you aren't a bot. In any case, this is a much better way to conduct such discussions. If you want to prove you aren't a bot, you need to prove you understand context (one of the many things the bots can't do).
But HOW is it more expensive?
Your question is silly. Real research costs money, lies don't. That is both the how and the why.
With so much funding going towards educating the public on a globe earth
This is your mistake. The funding is going towards educating the public on whatever shaped world this is. It's as silly as saying that education is funded primarily to teach people any singular/individual fact (most of which are proven to be wrong at some point in the future - it is known as the half life of facts) Education does not exist, nor is it funded for this purpose. The shape of the world is not seriously discussed in academia in any case. It's a footnote at best.
Would it not be cheaper to just educate people on the truth?
Lol. You have to have the truth first! You don't educate people with incorrect knowledge on purpose (most of the time anyway) - especially for educators you do it because you don't know any better (i.e. you need to have the truth first, in order to subsequently share it)
Well there is funding that goes to education facilities to teach this, science shows, lectures, maps, all sorts of things produced that support the globe earth
None of those things support (or depend on) a globe earth, no. The shape of the world simply is - it requires no support whatsoever regardless of what that shape is.
Educational funding happens for an entirely different purpose.
Why is this cheaper than the truth?
Truth is ALWAYS more valuable/expensive than lies. It's a truism.
Right, de ja vu.
You still don't understand context, huh?
That makes you very likely a bot :( Especially after we've already discussed this particular comment at length.
Context is key. Looks like you need an update from your dev (or likely an entirely new approach to programmatic linguistics)
If you have any earnest questions, ask them one at a time or not at all.
Also, get lost troll.
Wouldn’t creating such elaborate fakes and conspiracies cost an equal–if not greater–amount of money than the science they are supposedly covering up?
You seem to have me confused with someone else. I am not talking about "elaborate fakes" or "conspiracies".
However, as an aside; In general - no.
Lies and fakes cost vastly less than the actual reality. Lies are cheap - as is cgi/camera tricks. Compare the cost of a model rocket to an actual one and i think you'll find "faking" is vastly more cost effective.
Get lost troll. Enjoy your fractions of a cent for this response.
Incorrect.
Please cite the specific quote and i can help clear up your misunderstanding.
Earth isn’t flat
Who said it was? Stop listening to the voices in your head! Learn how to converse if you are at all capable. First step is learning to read what the other person has written. You can't just perpetually skip that step and pretend you are "responding".
Reported for spam.
Let a rip. Either they'll ban you again for wasting their time, or completely ignore any such reports in the future for crying wolf (aka lying). Either way is fine by me. Cheers
You may ask me any question, as long as you ask it earnestly.
I'm happy to share my knowledge (and expose it to critical scrutiny) whenever it is of benefit.
Whenever you're done muttering to yourself you should learn how to have a conversation with someone else (if you can!). The voices in your head are not your friends. Do not, i repeat, do not engage!
Also, i wouldn't waste the mods time and draw attention to yourself. You'll just get banned - again - but, "you do you" i guess.
Jack, I guess rather than gyroscope I should have said accelerometer -- so a device, such as a fiber-optic ring that will tell you your acceleration, both magnitude and direction.
Makes no difference at all. RLG's, mems, gyrocompasses (which do contain gyroscopes) - none of them in any way depend on the earths shape to function. This is an encouraged/popularized mistake/misunderstanding. Ask yourself - why do you think they need the world to be spherical in order to work?
In an airplane that's coasting, there is no acceleration, because gravity is balanced by lift.
That's not what the equations describe, but god knows i agree with you. The plane is (basically) not accelerating towards the ground when it is flying at constant elevation.
Now, if you're flying east-west on a 'Gleason map' flat-earth, then you have to constantly veer to the left to maintain the circle. You won't notice this effect physically, because it's small. But a sensitive accelerometer will detect it.
It certainly could, i agree. In reality, such precision even if present (it isn't) would be massively overwhelmed by local sources (wind, vibration, actual course flown etc.). A very large circle would, and does, seem identical to a straight path. Of course, airplanes don't travel in perfectly straight lines in any case. It's all a bit moot.
Conversely, if you're on a Globe earth, you'll have to constantly veer downwards, otherwise you'd fly off into space.
This is a common mistaken view amongst the "flat earthers" (psyop). They argue that because a plane DOESN'T (and doesn't need to) make any such corrections that this demonstrates the world can't be spherical the way we are taught.
If you agreed with this (flawed) premise, you would likely come to the same conclusion - that the world was not spherical, so it is a bit odd to me that you brought it up!
I hope this clears up what I mean?
A little. I still think you are misunderstanding what gyroscopes (and/or accelerometers) are in planes and what their function is.
Anyway, i once again thank you for earnestly engaging in the conversation. You might be surprised how rare that is! Much appreciated.
Who on earth do you think you are talking to? Do you deludedly believe there is some "audience", or are you just talking to those voices again? They aren't your friends.
As you well know, you cowardly liar, i am not a flat earther.
Why don't you grow a spine and ask a single earnest question?
You are lucky there is no audience reading any of this, i would be doubly embarrassed for you :(
Translation
There is no translator nor is one required to read the clear english i wrote. Stop listening to the voices in your head. They're not your friends.
What a coward. Can't even ask a single question because you're too afraid to actually get an answer. Pitiful.
Every question in your rhetorical gish gallop copypasta is trivial to answer. If you ever stop being such a frightened child, perhaps you'll just pick out your best one and ask it earnestly.
I won't hold my breath.
They’re right there.
The list you posted is a copypasta gish gallop, and a waste of everyone's time including your own (which is why i hope, for your sake, that you are a bot). I could easily answer them all, as we did once before - and you would just ignore them again.
If you have an earnest question, then ask one. What is the most important / "most impossible to answer" one? Why are you so afraid?
Gee, that didn't sound like a question...
Too scared to even ask a single one earnestly?
What, specifically, is "wrong". Use your words
I’m sure you think you answered them
Can't you even remember? Or do you just prefer to forget so you can mindlessly spam this copypasta over and over again?
Go ahead, ask your best question (earnestly). Your questions are all trivial to answer.
Are you just afraid of ever receiving an answer, because then you couldn't spam anymore?
Here: Why can I go either East or West from Toronto, and end up in Rome?
Regardless of the shape of the world, it would be because when you are traveling east or west you are actually traveling in a large circle with its center at the north pole.
On a spherical earth, a gyroscope would detect a semi-constant acceleration towards the ground.
Detect? All matter "detects" a semi-constant acceleration towards the ground in your view - doesn't it?
On a flat earth, a gyroscope would detect a semi-constant acceleration to the right or left, but none towards the ground.
The gyro (spin) - scope (see/view) was created for demonstrating the rotation (gyro) of the world - not its shape. If the world were flat, the gyroscope would behave exactly the same way it currently does and for the exact same reasons. Right?
Why do you think its function is dependent on the shape of the world?
What are the results of this experiment -- which is done every day via air-flight?
First of all, this is in no way an experiment - we are talking about mere observations. Secondly, the gyrocompass (and/or artificial horizon in an airplane) works - on that we can agree. Once again the question is why on earth you think that is dependent on the worlds shape. It isn't... and in the case of an airplane, which isn't even touching the ground, it is obviously doubly so.
I don't know, but I suspect that it's the former.
I'm not sure i'm fully understanding you. It seems you aren't properly understanding what the gyroscope is used for on airplanes. Maybe it will become more clear if you can answer some of the questions above.
In any case, your earnest engagement is appreciated!
The Principle rides upon supernatural beliefs
It is remarkably pro bible / traditional catholic views, but the thesis of the documentary is not supernatural. Even if it were, what we are discussing isn't. There is no supernatural belief in the recognition of the historical fact that geocentrism is discarded for philosophical, and not scientific, reasons. The documentary does a great job showing the historical inception and chronology of that philosophical bias, as well as its impacts today with modern cosmology and cosmologists; which, even when presented with compelling evidence that the earth is at the center (as it appears to us by observation), are so disturbed philosophically by such data as to discard it and continue to stubbornly cling to antiquated models which plainly conflict with such data/observations. Bias is pernicious, and as you say - it has everything to do with belief (the enemy of knowledge, and the possibility of objective study of any kind). Scientists are people too and they always deludedly think "we aren't superstitious (now)" in every age.
Those are not provable in any scientific way
Precisely the point! There is nothing provable or disprovable about a geocentric model. In truth, astronomy/cosmology is largely not science at all. One of the more interesting quotes from the documentary is from michio kaku admitting that in no uncertain terms - astrophycisists do not employ the scientific method - and as such are not scientists nor practice science. They are closer to mathematicians - theorists at best.
In any case - can you not answer my question? What specifically from the documentary did you find illogical, and what logic did it violate?
so this is really a waste.
If you say so. I don't think exchanging and exploring views with others of differing views is a waste unless you let it be. In general, it's called learning.
Besides, if you are "the learned" then sharing your wisdom with the less educated is also not a waste of time! It is the responsibility of us with knowledge to share it with others! Hoarding it while simultaneously maligning others for lacking it is cruel and self defeating/reinforcing.
And flat earth is a haven for both poor thinkers and trolls
The heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop - yes, i agree. The actual subject itself, as well as exploring such questions as "what is the true shape of the world, could i be wrong about it, and how can i prove it to myself and others?" is almost exclusively for intellectuals and capable autodidactic students only. It takes a great deal of intellectual fortitude, capacity, and bravery to recognize and admit that you could be (and likely are) wrong about a great many things you were taught. The fools and trolls, on the other hand, can only parrot what they were taught and reflexively/mindlessly attack any heretics which challenge their dogmas :(
I already did answer them - don't you remember? Of course not, because you just mindlessly copypaste this gish gallop for rhetorical purpose and don't have any earnest questions to ask.
Prove me wrong. Ask ONE earnest question; your best/most important question. Unless of course, you don't want answers to them...
Not at all! That's how critical evaluation usually works. Recognizing something you were taught is incorrect doesn't automatically give you the correct answer to replace it. Though that would sure be nice!
Determining the shape of the entire world is no trivial task.