It’s not working
yes, and it’s a waste of time. maybe you should try discussing with me, instead of muttering to yourself?
Did. You refused to answer
when? please cite/quote/link to this “refusal”. when you fail to do this, and realize you can’t - will you learn anything?
Nothing you say or do will ever change this.
just like nothing you say or do will ever change the shape of the world. if the world is flat, no amount of your belief, words or actions will ever make it stop being so.
Strawman
a strawman is when you falsely/mockingly associate a position with your opponent in a debate and then handily defeat that contrived position for rhetorical purpose.
it is not when you merely repeat the position of the person you are “speaking” to. if you don’t like your position / what you’re doing - then stop it. recognize and admit that people who have differing views than you aren’t automatically agents of tel aviv and that declaring they are is a vain and pathetic tactic you use to discard, ignore, and justify ad hominem.
if you don’t like being described as what you are and for what you are doing, change.
Said the flat earther.
lol, so delusion wouldn’t be a flimsy shield if a flat earther said it was? things aren’t true or false depending on who says them - they are either true or false regardless of who says them. you seem to misunderstand this...
It’s not.
i’m telling you it is, and have good evidence to support my position. furthermore i am telling you that you merely believe that and do not know it, nor can you demonstrate it. however, you will undoubtedly ignore all that to protect your beliefs. it is slightly amusing because you do know and accept that you have been wrong and utterly fooled by those educators in the past - and yet stubbornly refuse to admit that it’s possible that anything else you believe you know could also be wrong!
If your wife wasn’t cheating on you, would you want to know it?
of course!
an admitted paid shill
only by the voices in your head - which you should stop listening to, by the way - especially when you are trying to have a conversation with someone.
who actually thinks that we will believe the earth is flat
again something you have entirely imagined. i explicitly don’t want you to believe in the shape of the world at all (flat, round, or any other shape)
refuse to answer any questions you have been asked about your claimed beliefs
i work very hard not to have any beliefs when it comes to knowledge, because belief is the enemy of knowledge and to objective study of any kind (it’s called bias). please cite/quote any earnest question you have posed to me that i have refused to answer. we both know you won’t and can’t do that, because i haven’t refused any questions you have asked me. you are delusional, and talking to voices in your head instead of me :(
This is what they actually believe
don’t be silly. the “jews” you are talking about know full well they are lying, though all pathological liars begin to believe the lies they tell at some point. repetition works on everyone.
The discussion is over.
ah, but can a discussion really be over when it never begun - because you refused, stuck your fingers in your ears, and screamed like a child instead?
you confirmed it yourself
the imaginary voices in your head are not my words. if you think i have confirmed your fantasy, then you can cite/quote the words i used to do so. when you fail to do this, will you learn anything?
as it strikes you
and i “struck” you, how?
You are the enemy
only in your fantasy/imagination. in reality you don’t know what i think, because you refuse to discuss it with me and instead have “conversations” with yourself peppered with ad hominem and calls to suicide.
who thinks his paid shilling is going to be believed
yes, yes - everyone who has differing views to yours is a paid shill in tel aviv. classic, vapid, conpro trolling :(
what a happy coincidence that you get to dismiss and ignore anyone who has views you don’t agree with because they are “all paid shills”. delusion is a flimsy shield - you should try another.
Curvature of the earth
i know you believe such curvature is there, because it simply must be for the earth to be a globe as you were taught. the question was, what if what you were taught was wrong? would you want to know it, or would you prefer to continue to believe falsehoods instead?
It’s not
and so we are required to dogmatically believe in order to matriculate - but if it were, would you want to know it? why are you so frightened of a simple hypothetical question? seems very silly to be so afraid to answer - don’t you think? especially if you are correct, and the world is spherical as you were taught, - you should have nothing to fear.
I’d have to be wrong first
believing you couldn’t be (about this or anything) is proud, vain delusion. the possibility always exists that you could be wrong, doesn’t it?
Lies are like that, yeah.
everyone who has a differing view to you is not automatically lying (nor a shill, etc.) delusion is a flimsy shield.
i may be wrong, but i am not lying.
Said the flat earther.
i’m not a flat earther; i’m a flat earth researcher. flat earthers are largely agents/products of the flat earth psyop. i study the psyop, amongst other things.
you are the enemy
only because you have contrived an imaginary view of me. if you would earnestly discuss with me, civilly, instead - you would see that we are against the same common enemy and the shape of the world has very little to do with it.
The problem (for you) is that I do that.
the problem is that you have conversations with the voices inside your head instead of me, and don’t seem to understand what i write at all :( Again, if you don’t understand, try asking questions (of me! not the fictional voices in your head!).
Thank you for admitting
again, try turning down the schizo knob for a second if you can. try talking to me instead.
the earth is not flat
who said it was? one of the voices in your head? are you capable of having a conversation at all?
Everything you support is a hoax
so says the person? who can’t even specify what “hoax” it is i am supporting :(
you aren’t a mind reader. you can’t know what i think or “support” unless you discuss it with me first. you cant discuss with me by talking with the voices in your head.
Everything you believe is a lie
i know why you desperately need this to be true. do you?
again, you can’t know what i believe unless you discuss it with me first. would it kill you to ask a question or two?
Thank you for admitting
try reading what i write, and ignoring the voices in your head for a second - if you can.
entire narrative is a hoax
what narrative? are you feeling ok? you seem to have trouble reading and understanding the simple things i say :(
and that the earth is not flat.
who said it was? one of the voices? you really need to start ignoring those dude. try talking to me instead. i’m actually here!
in any case, the real question is - if the world were flat, would you want to know it?
Still absolutely nothing to defend your hoaxes
if i did, you would never know it. you continue to refuse / be incapable of simple, and/or civil, discussion.
in any case, what hoax did you think i mentioned? your reading comprehension is very poor :(
The angular diameter of the sun can never be negative if it is above the horizon
again, no one said it was. you should try discussing with someone other than yourself if you want to understand their position. when you don’t understand, you should try asking questions!
the primary reason the sun (and all other distant objects) appears to set is due to the density gradient in our air which tends to cause light that travels through it to curve convexly towards the surface. this is also why the bottom disappears first, and vice versa.
The earth is not flat
no one said it was. stop talking to yourself, or at least - do it without posting/commenting.
the real question is, if it were flat - would you want to know it? could you accept that, yet again, you were miserably wrong about something you were taught as inerrant truth by an infallible teacher?
You are clinically insane
i don’t frequently proclaim/threaten and advocate suicide like some. i just have unpopular views.
in any case, i would leave pop-psy in the trash where it belongs if i were you. you ought to know enough by now to recognize it is merely a tool of our common enemy.
the flat earth conspiracy exists purely to discredit other real conspiracies
that’s sort of true.
the rationally offensive flat earth conspiracy is pushed/advertised by the flat earth psyop to drive people away from the subject and, as a fringe benefit, well poison / discredit other legitimate conspiracies.
humanity requires no conspiracy (nor help) to be stupid and wrong as they historically always are. the shape of the world just is. conspiracy doesn’t have any impact on it, nor necessary relevance to it.
the earth is round
and if it wasn’t, would you want to know it? this is an important question, and one only you can answer - for yourself.
anyone who believes / pushes otherwise is either so stupid and gullable that they are likely to forget how to breathe
there are virtually no people this stupid. certainly not in the numbers advertised to us on the interwebz.
or are controlled opposition
bingo.
pushing it to discredit conspiracy theorists as a whole.
actually, as i said above, this is just a fringe benefit because the psyop has been so successful. the primary purpose of the flat earth psyop is to suppress and drive people away from the valuable subject.
if you would like to explore/understand earnest flat earth research further, or merely criticize it, please join us on flatearthresearch. i can assure you it is not studied by idiots or anything like what the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop falsely portrays it as.
The Earth is not flat.
who said it was?
i just shared the fact that the greeks assumed the world was spherical and then taught it to children disingenuously/ erroneously as fact forever after, and that the calculations for circumference absolutely depend on that assumption to be correct.
also refuses to answer it
i’ve answered it repeatedly and invited you to discuss it in more depth... instead you stick your fingers in your ears and scream like a child so you can continue to pretend there is no answer. it’s very sad :(
This is how mentally defective paid shills actually are
you mean like you? muttering to yourself like a schizo instead of being capable of a simple or civil discussion? as i’ve told you repeatedly, if you want to ignore everything i have to say and talk to yourself - you can do that without posting/commenting.
This is what they actually think we will believe.
actually, i don’t want you to believe anything. belief is the enemy of knowledge, and the reason we are in this mess in the first place. if people actually knew what the shape of the world was for certain, we wouldn’t need to have this discussion. instead, they merely believe and repeat/parrot :(
You have no evidence for this claim
lol, do you really think this or are you just being reflexively argumentative? it is a simple observation that you can perform for yourself. you can do it with a drone, you can do it with a fast elevator and a tall building, and you can do it at the beach (and most everywhere else) by laying down and standing up quickly. no one doubts the reality or evidence for this claim - they merely doubt the explanation of it due to conditioning by rote under the guise of education, from childhood.
You cannot say “just get higher” when you don’t know what happens when you go higher
of course i do. you get higher (in elevation) :P
Do not make this claim again
it isn’t so much a claim as it is an obvious and demonstrable fact. when you get higher you can see the set sun again, especially just after it sets.
Please drink bleach.
must you continue to be so afraid of a simple conversation? what makes you so cowardly? or is it just laziness? you’d rather me die than have to think - at all - for a few minutes? if you are right in your worldview, and i am wrong - you have nothing to fear and no reason to act this way...
Even Ancient Greeks figured that earth was a sphere
That’s true, they did figure it. Sadly, rather than ever checking/measuring/validating their assumption - they just went ahead and arrogantly taught it as fact to children for generations (continuing to today).
and even came close to measuring the circumference using simple Geometry and Math
Not if the unvalidated assumption that it was spherical was wrong - no. The eratosthenes procedure/calculation absolutely requires the world to be spherical (and many other unvalidated assumptions) in order to be meaningful.
FE is perfect for nullifying any serious investigation into Freemasonry, NASA and weather modification.
Not at all! In fact they dovetail into one another for obvious and straightforward reasons.
It's so fucking obvious
Not when you bother researching it thoroughly, no. It just seems simple/obvious at first glance. In part this is due to the heavily advertised (i.e. funded) flat earth psyop that intentionally and loudly conflates the subject (and its researchers) with offensively stupid ideas. If it truly were so obvious it was all too stupid to spend any time researching or earnestly discussing - why spend so much money on loudly advertising that constantly?
If you are at all interested in the subject, including against/critical, please join us on flatearthresearch to exchange our views in further depth!
careful, take your time!
accept no claim from any source before thorough/rigorous validation first!
i’m also happy to answer any questions i can, however i can only share my own views, research, and conclusions. because the subject is most often studied by independent researchers - other’s views often vary wildly.
it’s a community here.
you can find it in the list of all communities (https://communities.win/communities?sort=topics&topic=All) or go directly to it with the link https://communities.win/c/insertcommunitynamehere where insertcommunitynamehere is flatearthresearch.
i can pm you the link as well if you still can’t find it. please let me know!
as much as i might wish this were true... if what this person is saying is true - where can i find the court filings for the case?
where does “dr. derek knauss” work, and is there any evidence to support that he supplied samples to the university labs he claims - who supposedly verified his results and have joined the suit against the cdc?
i’m admittedly a bit biased, but i recommend asking questions, exchanging views, and conducting your own research.
please join us on flatearthresearch if you are earnestly interested in the subject!
why do you insist on asking the same question over and over again, when you have received the answer so many times before?
once again, the reason is because the sun is not bright enough and there is too much stuff (largely air) in the way. if you get high enough, you often can see the sun again - because the amount of air you look through is lesser.
for a more thorough explanation, and to express your criticisms in a more detailed way - please join us on flatearthresearch!
classic scene.
clearly bullshit; somewhat plausible but entirely bullshit all the same.
Although there are a few legitimate reasons for numerology (like cryptography, for instance), i generally don’t pay it much mind.
As for “flat earth ppl” (regardless of if they favor a numerological approach or not), they are largely not real, and a part of an advertising campaign [psyop]. They are intended to give the false impression that flat earth research is only for and by idiots.
The reality is very different, and if you would like to learn more about earnest flat earth researchers (and/or criticize) and why the subject is so valuable as to warrant expensive mass advertising campaigns against it - please join us on flatearthresearch! Ask questions, share criticisms - anything you like as long as you are earnest!
I think sharing our views in other communities certainly has its merits too, but trying to force people to learn new things (especially that refute/violate their existing worldviews) almost always backfires.
Likewise flooding can easily cause the opposite effect - further loathing and disinterest of the subject.
I try inviting those that are interested instead, however - i will admit, my approach very rarely works.
Fair enough, thanks for clearing that up.
You are always trying to move flat earthers to that quite little stage where no one will hear us. Why?
I am certainly not interested in moving anyone! Though, maybe it won’t be as quiet or little if we encourage others to join us there!
I think it is valuable to have a community specifically for such discussions, especially for posterity. Discussions of the topic in random (typically unrelated) communities are likely to be lost and never be seen by interested people in the future. I envision flatearthresearch for in depth discussion, and exchange of views (including critical).
We should all be flooding this site and waking up the community that is most likely to listen to new ideas
I don’t think “flooding” is necessarily the right approach, but i generally agree that we should be doing all we can to raise awareness of the important subject. Including on communities specifically for that topic!
Eratosthenes never questioned or sought to determine the shape of the world in any way. The calculation he used requires the world to be spherical (and many other unvalidated assumptions), otherwise his result is meaningless.
Ancient people knew the earth was spherical because they were taught it was fact from childhood, just like today. It was never validated/measured, they just believed it was true and disingenuously/erroneously taught it as fact to children.
I also agree with the OP; the shape of the world is not a conspiracy, nor is a conspiracy required to be stupid and wrong as humanity always is historically.
If you are at all interested in exploring this topic further, please join us on flatearthresearch!
The flat earth psyop is extremely well advertised (i.e. funded). It’s primary purpose is to disable, discredit, and prevent any earnest discussion or research into the valuable subject.
It does this a variety of ways, some of the major ones being false conflation of offensively stupid ideas/views/perspectives with the topic and its researchers and encouraging false enmity / ad hominem between “globers” and “flattards”.
This is the reason the youtube OP is receiving so much “hate mail” from “flat earthers”. The flat earthers aren’t real, strictly speaking, and are actually agents and/or products of the flat earth psyop.
Earnest flat earth research is nothing like you will likely find (be routed to by algorithm) on youtube. If you are interested in learning more about it, please join us on flatearthresearch!
I’m not much for numerology, but out of curiosity - what are you talking about here?
237, as in room 237 (the speculated “moon room”) from kubrik’s the shining supposedly signifying 237,000 miles (rough) distance from the earth to the moon?
So 237 divided by “reverse exponent”? Could you walk me through your calculations and their meaning to you?
so you keep repeating, but no amount of repeating will ever change the shape of the world. if it is flat, all your zealous and blind faith won’t make it stop being flat.