You don't have any way to verify or prove that the authors of the texts of Luke and John wrote through divine revelation. You don't have a way to verify or prove your claim of objective universal truth in your Jesus-God figure
Every one of those claims is justified within the system and is dependent on it. They don't exist in a vacuum - all facts and data is interpreted through a paradigm (Thomas Kuhn). I don't have to prove separate claims if I can prove the truthfulness of the worldview itself. And I can do it through the transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG).
You don't understand what the term Christ means. The OT doesn't prophesy a particular person of a Messiah, let alone a Messiah named Christ.
Again, how do you know that? Was that information given to you during your NDE? If so, how do you know you weren't told a lie by the entity that told you that?
If you're happy being a follower of man and not God, then go for it.
And you believe your notion of what/who God is is not man made? Tell me this and be honest: did you come up with your belief system all by yourself in a vacuum through your NDE or did you read a bunch of man made texts and pick and choose different ideas and opinions about God?
Common sense tells anyone with a functioning brain that humans never got to the moon. If they truly did it 60 years ago, we'd see numerous moon bases and satellites all over it by now. Just think of the military superiority that would come from controlling the moon - what, you think that the Pentagon, Russia and China would spare resources to get the upper hand? Furthermore, if they achieved this in the 60's, imagine how much easier and cheaper it would be today. One would imagine that private ventures would also establish a base there (like Musk intended to before he was forbidden by congress).
This makes zero geopolitical sense. I personally require no further evidence. Logical arguments are much more reliable than circumstantial evidence that can be faked and misinterpreted ("but but there were moon rocks, you guys!!!1!). Arguing about space physics, images, video footage or minutia only gets you in the weeds.
The difference is that we don't know who exactly holds BTC and the network itself is decentralized. But we know for sure who holds the precious metals, especially the gold market - the Rothschilds and their cronies.
Through divine revelation which was preserved throughout history by His Church.
Christ is a title for a condition of mind-the Lord's anointed. Even Cyrus in the OT was called a Christ. It's not a name for Jesus.
Word concept fallacy. Yes, Christ translates to "anointed one". The prophesized Messiah of the OT named Christ is a particular person. Here's what you did: "Cyrus is king but Christ is also king - they must be the same thing". In typical gnostic fashion you collapsed the contextual meaning of the word which led you to wrong interpretation.
This is why you need a tradition of interpretation, because your mind can made up whatever it feels like when you read the Bible by your own in your closet, thinking you've acquired special gnosis through spiritual pathways. This leaves you confused and being overtly skeptical of everything that supposedly came from outside sources (exoteric), ignoring the glaring absurdity of your inner enlightened epiphany (esoteric) which is only backed up by your feeble deluded mind (which you believe to be an illusion btw, so there's no "you" in the equation).
Of course, your "epiphany" didn't really come from within you but you've red this gnostic new age garbage elsewhere and made up some idiosyncratic belief system that borrows from many sources which you happened to like - it's a philosophical pick-and-choose all-you-can-eat buffet. This is exactly what you do with the Christian tradition. You pick narratives and ideas that appeals to you and discard the rest. But the Christian worldview is holistic and can't be subjected to reductionism and piecemealing. While gnosticism and esotericism is ancient, this new age form of gnosticism is a very modern, individualistic and consumerist approach to worldviews. This is what makes it so appealing to the fragmented, uprooted, ahistorical and confused individual consumer in todays society, who is desperately craves truth and meaning in this clown world.
The result is a fragmented and incoherent mess that only makes sense to you and is not verifiable and proven in any way - why would anyone care for your individually-tailored system when anyone can do the same and get their own tailored system that is similar, yet different and made to match the tastes and preferences of the individual consumer? You reject objective universal truth in the person of Christ who is God. Great, so why should I care about "your truth" at all when I can have "my truth"?
Hope you read this with an open and critical mind and think about it. You said there are many possible perspectives right? Try this one.
Put the truth you see in it into practice in your life, and see where the Spirit of God guides you.
I have done that and I have come to pretty much opposite conclusions to yours. What now?
It's sad to see such levels of delusion but everyone suffers the consequences of their ignorance in the end so it's fair.
BTC is a decentralized peer to peer network. Gold on the other hand...
Who do you think owns the gold market?
If you understood what is being talked about in the Biblical texts, you'd see that they promote gnosis; and one who seeks gnosis from God is a Gnostic.
It's begging the question. I asked you how do you know you have the correct interpretation? Maybe it is the case but how do you know it's the correct interpretation as opposed to say the Orthodox teachings or some other gnostic's take?
What people call objective is entirely subjective.
That proposition is entirely subjective then. So why would I care about anything you say when it's just a figment of your mind, or if you're right it's even worse - even the figment of your mind is an illusion.
Gnosticism leads to the impossibility of knowledge at all. What's the point of even communicating what you delude yourself to be your subjective experience (because it's an illusion) when communication is also illusory and impossible? Our minds don't even exist, remember? So who are you writing to right now?
So it's entirely subjective. But how can you be sure your experience is truthful and not a delusion (which is inevitable if everything, including the self, is illusory)? Can you be deceived or be mistaken as a human being?
and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free
The truth is God Himself in the person of the Logos though. It's not some abstraction or a property of the mind.
Also, because women are more gullible and are placed in a subordinate position to man by God. This makes them more susceptible to manipulation and rebelliousness against authority.
Satan and his ilk (jews) know that and used it when they devised feminism and emancipation. But ultimately it's man's fault because if men were obedient to God, then the women would follow. With power comes responsibility.
Do you realize that the early Christians weren't "born again"
By that I meant they had a different tradition, held different dogmatic beliefs and worshipped in a different manner. They were all part of the one holy, catholic and apostolic Church established by Christ at Pentecost.
Those who contradicted the Church and had different teachings were declared heretics. That was my original point - heresy only makes sense in a dogmatic context, where the correct teaching is under the authority of the Church.
How many fingers are on your hand? What if someone looks at your hand and claims you have 6 fingers? Are you capable of determining you have 5 fingers or did God not give us that much discernment?
So basically, the text is self evident and needs no interpretation. How come there are thousands of different interpretations of the same text and how do you know yours is the correct interpretation? Because John Wesley said so 17 centuries later? Do you realize that the early Christians weren't "born again", were organized in synodal structured Church, had divine liturgy, apostolic succession and sacraments, including baptism? All this before the Bible you appeal to was compiled. This is all in Acts and Epistles.
Three question:
Where did Scripture come from historically and who decided what the Biblical cannon was?
Does Scripture interpret itself, or is there a tradition of correct interpretation that is passed throughout history?
What happens when there are multiple possible interpretations of Scripture? How is the correct one determined?
Everything in this realm is an illusion and not actual "reality". What we call reality is like a mirage. We exist because God is thinking us into existence. God is experiencing Creation through us.
I love gnosticism.
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How do you know this?
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How do you know it's not just another layer of the illusion?
The Holy Spirit was given to us after Christ's death and resurrection.
The Holy Spirit was sent to the Apostles at Pentecost (tongues of fire), which is when the Church was established (the 12 Apostles became the new Israel which was previously the 12 tribes). The Holy Spirit, while not limited to it, indwells the Church which is the Body of Christ, where the fullness of grace is to be found in the sacraments.
"Born again" is an ahistorical heretical movement that originates from evangelical protestantism. While I agree Lewis was not Orthodox and favored branch theory, I don't think you're in a position to call him a heretic. He had valuable insights that every Christian can find useful and I believe his heart was in the right place.
This is the most sure way to get spiritually deluded (prelest). One of Christ's apostles got demonically possessed but somehow you are in the clear? Makes total sense.
We have to fight sin and the demons until our very dying breath because they will attack you the moment your guard is down. Even saints had to fend demons off and you think you're above them?
Read Screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis.
If reality is an illusion, so is the external world, your senses, science and knowledge itself. You just refuted yourself.
Everything we call "real" is an illusion generated by our Mind. Science has shown...
Just wow. You really wrote that in one single breath and saw no problem in it. How are people like you even functioning?
See people, this is the level of confusion and doublethink the establishment wants to put people in. This is scary MK-Ultra stuff. Complete degradation of the mind and of reason. Name definitely checks out. How many DMT trips have you been on, dude?
The whole point is to exclude money with all problems they produce from society.
So what do you do when you need someone to build you a house using your free replicator bricks? You keep saying money won't be needed but how will people exchange services and what will incentivize people to do such work for others?
No, He didn't. And He didn't say anything opposite. God told them - "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the Earth and subdue it.". That's all. That's not even a commandment, just "good luck" to beloved ones, before the start of endless and unpredictable journey of humanity.
Only when Jews separated themselves from all other people and turned to pure evil, resulting in disgust from any people they tried to live with, He gave them commandments in attempt to save them. This didn't work for long. Then God send His Son to them, in a last attempt to save them, and they just killed Christ.
So you just glossed over the commandment God gave Adam and Eve - not to eat the fruit? Don't you understand that what happened in the Garden, that disobedience towards God, repeats throughout the whole Bible narrative and not only with the jews but before them and after them when Christ made a covenant with all people? Neither Adam, nor Noah or Abraham were jews. God had to flood the world because of how lawless and degenerate people have become - this was long before any jews. The tower of Babel wasn't built by jews. The Baal worshipping nations weren't jewsih (yes jews too worshipped Baal in the OT). Pagan Rome wasn't jewish. Yes jews killed Christ and that was done by divine providence so that all the nations can know Him and become the new Israel (yes, the Orthodox Church is the Heavenly Israel, not a damn socialist state in the Middle East filled with khazarians).
For us, normal people, Christ show direction, in two simple sentences, not set the rules or whatever. He show us the way, and it's completely up to us how to walk it.
He literally said that the path is straight and narrow, meaning you can't wander off and do whatever you like. The way to truth and life is not a sandbox but a very strict and limiting path that few manage to follow. It takes a huge effort to be a Christian and Christ wants us to be able to let go of everything in this world and follow him to the path of self sacrifice, with our cross on our back.
And there is no any mention of money in that God ordnance.
Come on, dude that's a red herring. Money's not the problem. Money is the solution to the problem of determining value of different goods and services. Man has to do work to sustain himself. If your system makes it so that man doesn't have to work to sustain himself, money or not, it's not how God ordained it and it's unnatural. It's a synthetic system created with the aid of technology.
Because it is unnatural, just like artificial food.
Exactly, same as not having to work to sustain yourself. This is why it's a double standard.
I don't think that food from replicator will be popular. People will always prefer real food, grown by themselves. And replicator will allow to have all tech to do that with minimum efforts and maximum efficiency.
Then people still have to work to produce food? How is that any different than today when agriculture is mechanized and so much easier than in the past?
Globalist experimetns with artificial food failed miserably. People don't want food made from chemicals on factories even if they barely distinguishable from real ones. People need and want natural food. Most just have no spare time to grow it, so they have to buy it from BigAgro.
No one will ask them. If food production and supply is controlled centrally you will eat whatever you're told to. The majority of people today eat completely fake processed garbage but they've come to believe it's food because of marketing and propaganda. Not only can people be deceived into eating garbage but they can also be forced into it.
That's the point of science and technology. You could separate good things from bad things and use only good ones.
You need a criteria for what's good to do so. What is it?
Again, you for whatever reason accept "transhumanism" exactly like globohomos want it be accepted. They lie about everything, then why do you believe them that "transhumanism" thing is what they told you?
Because it's an ideology that traces back to the Enlightenment and I know what it is based on. It's a tradition and not something Klaus Schwab or the skittles jew Harari came up with during a WEF conference. I read a lot of old books and study the origin of ideas, that's how I know.
Transhumanism, apart from globohomo definition, in whole is changing human body in some way.
When you visit stomatologist to implant a tooth you lost, it is transhumanism. Is it inherently bad to have a tooth implant? I don't think so. What if you will be able just grow new tooth instead of lost one? Will it be against God ordnance or not?
No, that's an oversimplification and reductionism. Not all technology equates to transhumanism. In fact as we read in the Bible, clothes were the first technology given to man after the fall (garments of skin). So just like money, technology is not bad in itself (unless you're a retarded Amish or a deranged luddite).
A more appropriate definition would be changing man's nature according to a man made concept of what man should become. Notice that there's nothing inherently wrong in transcending human nature, because that's literally what Christianity is all about - becoming gods by theosis. The reason why transhumanism is satanic is because it seeks to do so without God - to make us gods on our own merit through our own reason and means. This is literally what Satan did when he rebelled and what he meant when he told Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge and to become like God (hence Apple's logo and Macintosh I costing $666).
God created us in His image and likeness. He even gave us free will, just like He have. And then you say that there is some predefined way of how and what we can do with material world. It completely contradicts with God's intentions to create beings in His image and likeness with free will. There is no any point to create beings with free will, and then limit them in using their free will.
Did God tell man "here, do whatever you feel like, man"? What kind of liberal theology is this? Of course God set rules to how we are supposed to live. He gave commandments and set up His Church to teach all the nations about how to live righteously. What does free will have to do with any of this?
It's absolutely bizarre to hear a Christian think God didn't set strict rules of conduct that set boundaries and limits our free will. Such limits were set even before the fall when God commanded not to eat from the trees of knowledge and life. Then came the Noahide laws, the Mosaic laws and finally, Christ - God in the flesh - came and gave His own teachings. Do you think God is an anarchist? I'm stunned dude, I can't go on even... Just go to Church and talk to a priest because you're very confused about the faith. Read the Church fathers. You're lucky you're in Russia too so it's easy to do so. I'm not saying this as an own but as a fellow Christian. We all need the Church, otherwise we get confused in our own interpretations.
The point I made was that man having to work and suffer to put bread on the table is not only natural, but ordained by God Himself. But your system wants to do away with this natural order of things through technology. Why not also alleviate women's suffering due to childbirth and get rid of childbearing, replacing it with replicators/lab babies?
This is basically transhumanism but you cherry pick things you like and want to preserve which is a double standard.
Manson was a deranged MK Ultra cult leader. His influence on the hippy movement was miniscule. He was just a pawn.
As for the Beatles, John Coleman says that critical theorist Theodor Adorno of the Frankfurt School wrote their songs and the band itself was a Tavistock project. You don't get any more establishment than this.
That's true.
Yoga is a hindu religious practice that is promoted in the West as part of the NWO agenda of subverting Christian based society and installing a new age religion, amenable to the future world government.
Eastern religions were selected for the task because they are antithetical to Christianity. They are pantheistic and monistic ("everything is God"/"we're all One") where the individual person is dissolved into multiplicity (hence why India is a shithole country where human life was never of any value). Personhood (ego) itself is viewed as problematic and something to be transcended by way of eliminating all borders and distinctions between you and the rest of people or nature (seem familiar? yep, it's the skittles DEI doctrine, cultural pluralism and open borders).
They also posit that reality is an illusion (basically metaverse), that we need to escape from. People who hold such believes are primed to enter a completely virtual world because they view life itself as virtual and not real.
There's obviously a spiritual element to all this being demonic worship, witchcraft, spiritual delusion and idolatry.
The globalist elites like the Huxley's, Jung, Campbell, Salk, Atlee, Kostler, H.G. Wells have written many books on the topic so we don't have to speculate and guess what it's about.
I doubt about majority. But such people definitely exist. So what? If their UBI will be produced by replicator and not by your labour, then what's the problem?
Typical liberal/libertarian logic. The problem is that you'll have to coexist in a society along with degenerates. Why do lolberts act as if what you do in private doesn't spill out in the public? Man is not an island and lives in communities. How will your system promote a virtuous and healthy community? It won't, it's just geared towards getting everyone's needs met. It's the hedonistic liberal paradise.
You are too pessimistic about human nature and psychology to the same extent.
I'm just aware of the fallen human nature. I've red how people lived throughout history. I see how they do now. The easiest way to degenerate an individual and society is to tell him to do whatever they like, to "emancipate" them from duties and authorities. This is why jews have been pushing this liberal ideology for the past few centuries and have managed to completely transform society into what it is today. People are easily corruptible through their passions and vices and the establishment's methods have only gotten more sophisticated with time.
Also you miss a huge part of human activity that could not be covered by any replicators. You still have to make family, grow and educate your children, grow real food and not because you can't make it, but because it is in human nature, and so on.
Who will govern this tech paradise? Who will own the infrastructure, take care of it and make those replicators? Amazon? Tyrell Corp? Skynet?
Why would you need to make families and have children? What is the arbitrary criteria for what "human nature" is? Maybe we should transcend it do away with those things the way we did with the need to work? Isn't this also part of human nature:
“Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall [f]bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”
Like in old soviet definition - "from each by abilities, for each according to the needs" Just without all that common property and common work using common means of production bullshit in marxist version. Same scheme, another principle. Just like when Jesus fed thousands with few loafs and fishes.
This is not a just system and no one would feel obliged to put in hard work so that some lazy bum could get the same benefits. I'd much rather have the Christian charity model where it is one's duty to help those less fortunate or in need. Don't need no communism for that.
You are mistaken about free time, being right about everything else. People have much less free time, than before. In the past, most people was peasants, and peasants job is seasonal. Yes, they had periods of hard work, but at least winter was mostly free time. Few of modern people could allow three months vacations.
I'm aware but peasants still had way less leisure time and didn't live to get retirement and do jack shit all day. Times were rough and death, war and starvation were common occurance. You had to fight for your existence and natural selection worked full force.
In comparison, most people today have 4-6 hours of free time during the day. In the degenerate west people have it so easy, that they can literally live in their own made up reality and pretend to be the opposite sex and even get medical help for that. In the past mental illness meant death, now they run parades. Not to mention how much easier everything is made through technology, transportation and the internet. You can practically exist without leaving your room and all your basic needs will be met.
There always some occupation could be found. If you need to be forced to work to keep you from sinful thoughts, then something is wrong with your brains.
You realize that the majority of people, if given UBI and no incentive to work will indulge in the vices and become hedonistic degenerates, right? To put it bluntly, they will goon all thay long and order door dash (much like they did during the plandemic psy op which was a beta test for what's coming). Have you heard of moustopia?
I always laugh at the soy-fi nerds who were sold visions of a highly advanced future technocracy (Brave new world style) where everyone has all their needs met and is engaged with pursuing studying, creating, making art and other high brow or innocuous activities. Those people are absolutely naive about human nature and psychology. This illuminist propaganda originated way back in the Enlightenment and it is getting more ridiculous by each passing year since then.
Sure it does. Whatever makes you feel like you got me.
It's Christ and His Church, who He is a head of. The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit Himself.
Come on dude. Jesus worshipped according to the hebrew tradition (went to the Temple and synagoges). He constantly made references to the OT. He's literally the anointed one, which is a hebrew tradition instituted by God in the book of Kings with Saul. He fulfilled all the prophecies which were part of that tradition. He was fully within the tradition of Abraham, Moses and David (lineage included) because He was the one who spoke to the prophets and gave them the commandments.
The quote is about Jesus chastising the pharisees (future rabbis in judaism) for making up their own traditions and not following the true God-revealed tradition of Abraham and the prophets. It's not a condemnation of tradition itself, that would be contradictory and retarded because the whole Biblical narrative is describing a millenia year old tradition that was passed down for thousands of years before it was written down. Same thing happened with the NT - again, the Bible you appeal to was compiled hundreds of years after Christ and yet the tradition and the Church functioned without the Bible in that period. This is such a low tier argument. Why do prots think that quote mining can prove anything? You disregard the whole context of the Bible to produce your heretical interpretation.
Btw isn't your interpretation of Scripture man-made tradition itself (even if it's only you within that tradition)? Aren't you your own "pope" when you go along your interpretation as dogmatically correct? No one escapes the problem of interpretation. The only difference between you and the Pope of Rome is that he has a few billions followers and you're on your own, reading your Bible in your closet. This was the whole point of the revolutionary Reformation - to topple Church authority and to make everyone the equal authority of interpretation (granted that Roman Catholicism was already corrupted and outside the Body of Christ - it was the first protestant sect and the pope was the first protestant).
The argument was about what's heresy. You don't even have a Church that can condemn something as heresy. Do you have anathemas? No. So once more, you just go by your interpretation and authority and declare heresy everything you deem not to be the true word of God.
You don't have to reply me. Just think about those arguments with an open heart and a critical mind. I truly want to help you see the problems of your position and it's not about owning you. The only thing I care about is the true faith which is salvific.