Ok, so given the forces at play, you are assuming that only velocity is modified, but you are ignoring all the other various forces involved in a gravity orbit. I have a pretty firm grip on a variety of mathematics. So I will not proclaim to understand nor be able to measure them all. Many have produced much guesswork on the topic and it is better than assuming it is not in orbit imo. There are still mysteries here to be truly unraveled, we simply insert a constant or otherwise generated value to continue and present you with what we think we know.
When you see the moon, orbiting the earth or moving across the firmament rest assured there are forces at play you are not in full understanding of. There is no need to force it to fill some claim made in the past.
I do not feel there is a human on earth who has what it takes to provide full explanation on the cosmos, it is very much a work in progress. We are on the verge of dispelling the notion that the sun is a ball of gas, do you have any idea what this will do to astrophysics as we know it?
I am fine if you want to accept a flat earth, I want to know why. So far we have these points to argue on, but I feel we are done on these points as none of them are anything other than subjective analysis and nothing like measuring the tensile strength of steel.
Scientific method is rooted in belief, it starts with a desire to understand a given entity. This is belief in both the entity and the ability to unravel an understanding. As we move through the process of scientific analysis we produce measurable quantities. This becomes the understanding and collection of facts as we know it. While also realizing what we think we know may be wrong at any given moment we are ready to adapt and conform to the new information.
So, do not try to discount beliefs as usable constructs that help us innovate ideas and get to new plateaus of thinking.
We can start with the hypothesis that we are just matter in a petri dish in some science experiment performed by a being so advanced we cannot comprehend.
Why not? can you disprove that? of course not. Can you prove it? hah, good luck.
d) choice (consent) to choice (suggestion) contract law allows others to GOVERN (to control) MENT (mind; memory) and to enter-tame-mind. The industrialization of choice being bound to choice represents RELIGION (Latin religio) - "to bind anew".
Yes, but that is simply a play on words, attempting to invoke modern feelings on old sentiments, it did not really work that well, the majority of the world yawned, even israel said, tis' all good they not jew hatin'.
Most people are not aware of the relationship between zionism nazism and judaism, birds of a feather. So it really just looked like he was hating with more russian propaganda to most.
In reality, he should have just stuck to devil worshipping, there is plenty of evidence and that likely has maybe better shock value.
They do have a warrant out for soros, but he never really talks about it. It would be nice if he exposed the current administration and its ties, or even rang the wef bell a bit?
This is all due to the ties to china, and they are wef in my opinion all run by the khazarians since shortly after the october revolution.
Yea, well I still have my hopes and dreams. Because if I did not then I don't know what is good.
So in my hopes and dreams, putin is coming out of the dark on understanding the end game these players had in mind.
But, clearly the more likely and proven from history is that, this is a game of manipulation by yet other external forces.
I think it is pretty unlikely this will cause a retaliation from Russia, more likely just add it to the pile of evidence/information they have.
It is clear that Russia is playing the upstanding citizen role, so they are looking to build in that direction. So far it is holding up.
If only putin would start naming the khazarians then I would put more faith in him, For now it is likely it is all the same game being played on both sides.
So standing on the tracks I observe they converge in the distance. My observation is incorrect, this is known. But what my eyes tell me and my brain accepts is that they converge.
This is stark evidence that an observation is taken from the eye of the beholder, compared against what that entity knows and then a conclusion is formed, this is 100% subjective based on the state of the various inputs.
To proclaim observations are not subjective is just ignorant to the reality that enforces an understanding in a given observation.
About velocity, im correct to add velocities, but i understand that i am not taking into account many factors, and thats OK, because the estimate is close enough to show the law of constant velocity is violated.
This is 100% insanity, you can repeat this as many times as you like. You will find the answer to be as you expect given the inputs you measured. When in reality you are not examining the correct inputs to form a correct conclusion.
I am happy to view any evidence, but contrary to your claims, I have researched many of the topics in the claims made by people who believe the earth is flat.
It is the sole reason why I ask for a listing of the points, clearly I am not detached from this analysis, but very much alive. The current result is, there is nothing that is not subjective analysis that I have found thus far, nothing is concrete with so many unknowns in the field.
Someone looks at a thing, draws their conclusion based on what they think they know and then manage to convince people with the small amount of information they have about the vast claims they make.
frame the assumptions you need, add the velocities of the moon orbit around with he and the earth orbit around the sun. can you calculate the total change in velocities of the moon?
In this equation, we have more unknowns than knowns the result is, an estimate.
Does this not in itself prove to you that this is subjective analysis based on imaginary inputs and ideas? There is no way to produce this answer definitively, this is the exact reason why the current state of astrophysics is such a mess, we have all these people asserting they can calculate a thing and then with conviction make these claims to people to convey their own personal 'belief' regarding the information they have collected. This is not science, this is more like alchemy.
So, do people choose to 'believe' in science? absolutely, especially in astrophysics. But more importantly, it is this belief that drives one to form understandings and if you are not able to deduce your understanding from facts or evidence, then it remains a belief.
if you can, you will also probably wonder how it could be possible for the moon to speed up and slow down without any outside force. breaking newtons 1st law.
If you cannot find evidential proof then the odds are you are just dealing with guesswork, which is why any answer you find regarding this question is associated as such, just estimations based on what we think we know.
This is all just useless conjecture for a few reasons.
One reason, is you are arguing using physics models that have formed the basis of our understanding yet you reject the overall understanding.
Our current understanding of magnetism and electricity in the universe is albeit in it's stages of infancy, but when you want to instead suggest that theories from thousands of years ago are more relevant I beg to differ.
Your observations are subjective simply because they are from your viewpoint using your understanding, you seem to think you have it all figured out and all your reasoning has proven to you that the claims are real. When in reality you have misunderstood what you see and also what you should expect to see. I am not the first person to point this out either, so simply review what all the other people who do not accept the claim of how the orbit works with respect to our visible star groups.
Regarding velocity. When you want to insert the laws declared long ago with such a minimal understanding of related inputs, surely you can expect nothing but random back. Garbage in, Garbage out.
Rest assured that if any of the flat earth ideas you have put forth so far were able to be proven as such, then the proof would be clear, more evidence to the fact it is subjective analysis.
Olive oil and lemon juice worked for me. brutal process.
Precisely, for me it tells the story I expected to hear.
Russia tried to merge into western world ideals but fell short when they realized it was all about operating them as a colony, not as equals. When this was realized things began to change, sometime around 2008 the plan was announced to militarize and defend Russia from encroachment, by 2014 encroachment of nato was peaked. The rest... is history in the making.
I don't know you from Adam, but you have my vote. I would suggest that if you could actually reach people with your campaign, you would be president before 2024, the job is basically wide open.
This is a pretty important story and information set in my opinion.
Eat shit, you come talk shit like you have a clue. If you have any brain about you, feel free to provide a list of key points you use to accept flat earth theories in your brain.
Got some shit to do, I will return to this.
Well, I am not about to flip over to the flat earth acceptance based on what I have so far, that much is clear.
I am still looking for what it is that has convinced you, we have the three points and for me they are not concrete, they are subjective.
Each of the three points can be explained as a lack of understanding / information from either side. In order to calculate curvature we would need to know the exact dimensions of the planet, this is not a known, it is estimated.
To ascertain the behavior of a given star group, we are required to have all the surrounding understandings at 100% to draw any conclusions. Again we only have some assumptions we have made to date.
I have been studying plasma cosmology and so far it leaves very few questions for me. So, it by far outshines all the other ideas.
For me, flat earth is a really old idea and there is nothing I have found that suggests it is the state of things.
I would be more inclined to accept toroidial earth given the current state of information :)
Orbit velocity claims just do not seem to hold any water, if we want to make such suggestions we need to get out into space and start examining how this stuff works.
I think you have no basis to speak to me, judging by the content of this message, it is clear you are a wef shill.
I am open to debate, but I will not debate false claims and propaganda. I am curious why evidence does not prove one way or the other.
There are many points made by people who choose to belief flat earth I do not agree with, that is fine. Being someone into flat earth implies there are many such beliefs associated and I am looking for the actual evidential points.
Not statements like, see? humans can't build big structures. yadda yadda.
So, when it comes to many of the flat earth propositions and the track record with the feds it is clear that it is used as a psyop to control and take time from people.
? 6 hours of baseless claims in propaganda are what they are, garbage flat earth propaganda. not sure what you mean with respect to lying.
yep, confirmed .
Total gossip garbage noone should care about. Go do some real work.
Who cares what the khazarians are doing? they are just sinking their shit into the dirt. Have a look around, Pushing this hard will lead to collapse there is no need to help or do anything, just ride it out.
lol, I am skeptical it is worth my time. But I will go ahead and have a quick look.
Generally everything on that entire forum reminds me of useless crap gossip I give no flying fuck about.
I will apologize for sounding dismissive, I do not mean to come across as such; more that, I have not yet accepted any of the beliefs put forth yet.
I state they are beliefs because when you are a proponent of a construct in a way that voices acceptance and cannot produce meaningful evidence to the statement it is simply a belief.
If I was to say "there is a god" clearly I could not prove such a thing, so it is just a claim revealing a belief.
If I was to say "this rock is hard" we can easily examine the rock and compare its hardness properties to a variety of other objects and objectively concur and agree on some parameters. What this does is produce 'rock' hard evidence to the claim removing belief and replacing it with accepted explanation.
For me, this would be the goal of any activity regarding a claim that there is any value in stating the earth is flat.
Firstly, it is a crazy topic because it makes no physical sense, it is founded long ago, back when humans were easily manipulated into any form of belief.
Secondly, the claim that we understand enough to prove one way or the other without significant effort and tooling is simple minded. If we could easily prove it, we would have the evidence.
Pffftt, I am all for decently submitted thoughts and ideas, I welcome decent discourse on flat earth beliefs.
In the post in question, a video was produced which was 6 hrs long and full of lame ass weak propaganda that really noone should be subjected to as half baked ideas. It is just ignorant creating ignorance.
I am more than willing to review and attempt to understand any valid claims. Yet to see any that are not 100% subjective crap.
This is everywhere, this has been going on since the dawn of time.
We are in a religious war, the web forum world has been dominated by it since its inception. This collection of forums on scored is all part of the same game.
Does not make sense to bitch and moan how twitter and facebook and reddit and digg have all been subverted as time has progressed does it?
maybe I just do not understand, is there a specific reason we give a shit about patriots.win?
It is a khazarian infested rathole? we barely survive in a place like this without a constant flow of utter nonsense and crap while we try to pick and filter actual interesting updates or news or actual conspiracies theories (of which, frankly we are all dry, everything is known)
So, everything is infested, given what I know of that rathole, it was infested from day one?
Nord Stream's if we must correct it.
Both were hit.