Dude, I can't keep up with the long replies so I will go short.
thanks :) whatever length floats your boat :)
Yup, monopoly on info. And guess what, they are EXCLUDING (think, censoring) contrary viewpoints. You are literally STEEL-MANNING my case. It's not even 8 replies between us in this specific reply chain, yet your ideas are already being torn in the Marketplace.
I'm steel-manning your position about better ideas getting on top by pointing out people are easily deceived by propaganda and disinfo which are used to promote bad ideas? Does that make sense to you?
The alternatives & good ideas are not being presented to them. Effectively, alternatives are censored, regardless of IQ. That's how you are steel manning. Just because an idea is good does not magically mean it will become famous, known about by the masses. In freedom, the idea has a chance. In censorship, permanent (as long as its being censored) obscurity!
it was "free"
Free =/= invincible to all outside influence.
the Church is the Body of Believers. ALL Saved Christians are part of God's Church.
if you believe it is a specific place, like the RCC or Orthodox, you are mistaken.
pretty sure the american federeeeetion of teachers believes that man came from apelike creatures.
How is she masonic?
What pagan stuff did she promote?
!!!! Big Pharma x Big Tech monopoly joint venture to bolster the wicked tyranny and evil secret elite. Not good. !!!!
they
They who?
convert to Judaism
What kind of "judism"? Define it?
fake
What reason(s) are you calling them fake?
No disagreement to any part of that, but another question - that would mean like good, evil also always existed. Evil having the attribute of always existing?
Why didn't the enemy "make" it? Apparently evil "came" into existence when the devil rebelled?
My original question here still stands.
He believes all sorts of stuff. Apparently in his 10 "years" (seems more like 10 months) of research, he never stopped to examine it and question the assumptions, foundations, etc. of the things he was looking at.
In what way does the shape or lack thereof of our world have to do with origins?
Whatever shape you believe, SomeOne created it. It did not come into existence by chance.
Does the shape of a unique design on a 500 year old watch give any evidence of what specific person made it?? No.
I see no evidence the masons had any involvement with it. Yes, the name is stupid, but people are stupid too.
CCP did not do it because of moral goodness, but because of worldview clash.
CCP wrecking an object does nothing to justify their mass killings.
incompatible with
So why does God allow the devil and demons to lie and still go around, instead of put something in them that sends them to the lake of fire forever very soon after they tell a lie??
Look how that's working for you.
Vote can have many forms. As in click up or down on social media or something. As in vote on what teacher you prefer. Many forms.
Look how censoring is working for YOU.
UK, EU, CHYNA, islam countries, and numerous others.
I can't believe a self-proclaimed Christian can look around the western world today and say it's better than 50,100,200, etc years ago.
Didn't say it was better now. Where did you get such a conclusion from? Can't believe a self proclaimed Christian thinks silencing opponents is good! The righteous are as "bold as a LION". Not "quick to reach the "SHUT IT DOWN" button", implying fear of the idea. Thank the federal reserve and irs and deepstate. No amount of censorship will make the deepstate go away.
"The Truth will set you free." Not "The Truth will make you silence different beliefs".
"Again, have individuals argue them to belief in Christianity."
You're out of touch with reality, dude. 99% of people don't care about arguments for Christianity or any other thing.
"Planting seeds" is a thing. Repetition can rile em up. You VASTLY underestimate the Power of them.
Even if true, the precious censorship will not move the needle an inch to your side. In fact, doing so will only repulse people from Christianity. Making it look tyrannical. People like YOU are why athiests claim Christianity is "tYrAnnNiCaL!1!1".
Do you know why? Because people today are not rational beings
The marketplace of ideas is like a tool too. Just because its let some bad things happen occasionally doesn't mean it's all bad!
and are susceptible to biases, weak-mindedness, deception and psychological manipulation since Satan deceived Eve in the garden.
You think censorers will be magically immune to this?? LOL. Trusting power to censor in the hands of a few is ludicrous.
People are literally arguing over the number of genders, if men can become women, if homos can get married, if human babies should be killed in the womb
All of which are hugely unpopular and indefensible. It is our responsibility to learn, be logical - but we UTTERLY FAILED at this responsibility. Censorship is a mere CRUTCH for the irresponsible.
Just 60 years ago those debates were unthinkable by anyone in their right mind.
Lemme guess, the federal govt wasn't busting down the doors of people who criticized it? More people were CONSISTENT WITH BIBLICAL TEACHINGS? More people were RESPONSIBLE? RATIONAL? And NOT pro-censoring?? The deepstate was much smaller & weaker? I bet you wish the 1st Amendment never existed and the Ministry of Truth was real.
"Just debate, bro". You may want to check what the Overton window is.
It is going further to the right. Thank freedom of speech for that.
Your free speech and debating are digging us deeper and deeper.
No. UnGodly people are. If you want to buy us more time, win souls over to Jesus instead of believing the indefensible, untrue idea that "SUPPRESSING IDEAS IS GREAT GUIZE!!" I've tried doing so in various areas.
EU, CCP, UK, islamic places, and counting - all beg to differ. Given Trump is in power, the deepness has ground to a slow/stop, if not a reversal.
But hey, never mind the ever increasing insanity, degeneracy and godlesness - at least we're not censoring people and we're letting majority
All those are being pushed by the MI nority and being astroturfed. You do know biden's "win" was a STEAL, right?
decide how society is ran (imagine believing this) -
Imagine believing that the ones censoring would be infallible and invulnerable to corruption. :/
In your Utopia, can you scrutinize the censorers and question their actions? Are they treated equally under the law, or above it?
I'm sure God will be pleased with that.
What fraction of censoring countries that exist today do you believe God is pleased with? 30%? 50%? 95%? Do you believe He is pleased with Chy-na or the EU?
Yes, because i thought you glossed over the rest of my reply to pick at only one section.
Loool you got wound up over the end of my reply. Censorship fans in shambles.
You have seen the fruits of censorship in the hands of antichristian dehumanizing regimes.
"I have seen gayness being used for evil. But it can be used for good!" ~ some dem somewhere
Oh wow. Almost as if they PREFER it because it advantages bad more than it advantages good! plus, censoring info and opinions is a sign of cowardice. Valid ideas need not hide from invalid ones. The invalid ones need to hide from valid ones.
"censorship's bad" is common sense. No wonder you want to sense-or.
What you're saying is "I've seen a guy murdering in cold blood, therefore guns are bad".
It is VASTLY easier to censor than to use wepons to kill. This easiness behaves like a force multiplier. And sadly, censorship has signifcantly less stigma than violence (it should have almost as much, like 87%+ of the stigma) has.
Censorship is a weapon and a tool. If it is in the right hands (a Christian state) it will be used righteously and justly.
Not to censor ideas/worldviews, though.
What are they exactly? Are you happy with the way things are in the places where free speech thrived the most?
Massive redpills?? Lived saved from not getting the c19 vax? Wake up to the ones controlling power positoons???? Mass wake-up to the fact the world is run by evil secret elite????? More knowing about the Epstien files?? Knowledge of p3d0s in high places???? I could ramble for HOURS on that. You have almost nothing on your side.
You're not happy with the way things are in the places where censoring thrived the most. Better to have had a period of greatness, then fall into tyranny, than always having been in tyranny.
So majority decides what's morally right now?
Now you are being goofy. That has nothing to do with "voting on things makes something morally right". That has to do with "Let the counties choose to or not to censor."
Imagine a Brave New World society where this is normalized and nobody minds public indecency.
Most people in the USA at least, hate public indecency. Let me guess, you actually believe the "50% of the usa is woke!" fake news demoralization psy op. That would explain why you prefer censoring.
We're certainly getting there.
Not because "fReEdoM bAd!!1!1" is true, but because "people reject the Bible" is true.
But that's not what I asked - I asked should it be allowed or should it be made illegal even if the majority was ok with it?
God determines what is right and wrong. Each county should decide. People will call good evil and evil good, so no, if you try to censor degenism people WILL a) label everything as that to muddy the waters, so mostly everything or mostly nothing will be censored, or B) target Christianity as "evil", and pron/LGTB-ism as good. People can work around cemsoring, so degenism will endlessly pop up. But if you refute them and prove them wrong, they will either convert - or be exposed as having nothing and being stuck with that realization.
Degenism has a source. Debate the source.
We have no idea what the serpent was. You can expect there were many kinds of snakes and serpents. One "example" does not mean there are more. The serpent could easily have been a snake. Your conclusion is an extrapolation that doesn't match observation.
doesn't hold all facts
It does hold the important ones. And the belief that there are sentient biological beings beside humans is quite important. The idea evil forces exist in far places in the physical realm besides earth seems imprtant. On what Day did God make reptile men and Annu Keys , in your view? The 5th? 6th?
removed
False. God preserves His Word. If the DS were able to do that, there would be no Bible. Also, the DS as we know it liely didn't exist in those times. If it did, it would be vanishingly small and weak. And more fragmented than today. Your position assumes God to be weaker than man. Or evil. Or flawed.
No wonder you believe so much untrue and logically untenable stuff, because you think you can get your theology & beliefs about the Supernatural from contra- and non- Biblical sources and somehow still be right.
You have seen the fruits of censorship in the hands of antichristian dehumanizing regimes.
"I have seen gayness being used for evil. But it can be used for good!" ~ some dem somewhere
Oh wow. Almost as if they PREFER it because it advantages bad more than it advantages good! plus, censoring info and opinions is a sign of cowardice. Valid ideas need not hide from invalid ones. The invalid ones need to hide from valid ones.
"censorship's bad" is common sense. No wonder you want to sense-or.
What you're saying is "I've seen a guy murdering in cold blood, therefore guns are bad".
It is VASTLY easier to censor than to use wepons to kill. This easiness behaves like a force multiplier. And sadly, censorship has signifcantly less stigma than violence (it should have almost as much, like 87%+ of the stigma) has.
Censorship is a weapon and a tool. If it is in the right hands (a Christian state) it will be used righteously and justly.
Not to censor ideas/worldviews, though.
What are they exactly? Are you happy with the way things are in the places where free speech thrived the most?
Massive redpills?? Lived saved from not getting the c19 vax? Wake up to the ones controlling power positoons???? Mass wake-up to the fact the world is run by evil secret elite????? More knowing about the Epstien files?? Knowledge of p3d0s in high places???? I could ramble for HOURS on that. You have almost nothing on your side.
You're not happy with the way things are in the places where censoring thrived the most. Better to have had a period of greatness, then fall into tyranny, than always having been in tyranny.
So majority decides what's morally right now?
Now you are being goofy. That has nothing to do with "voting on things makes something morally right". That has to do with "Let the counties choose to or not to censor."
Imagine a Brave New World society where this is normalized and nobody minds public indecency.
Most people in the USA at least, hate public indecency. Let me guess, you actually believe the "50% of the usa is woke!" fake news demoralization psy op. That would explain why you prefer censoring.
We're certainly getting there.
Not because "fReEdoM bAd!!1!1" is true, but because "people reject the Bible" is true.
But that's not what I asked - I asked should it be allowed or should it be made illegal even if the majority was ok with it?
God determines what is right and wrong. Each county should decide. People will call good evil and evil good, so no, if you try to censor degenism people WILL a) label everything as that to muddy the waters, so mostly everything or mostly nothing will be censored, or B) target Christianity as "evil", and pron/LGTB-ism as good. People can work around cemsoring, so degenism will endlessly pop up. But if you refute them and prove them wrong, they will either convert - or be exposed as having nothing and being stuck with that realization.
Idea: If you wanna remove a bad thing, have a vote. So people can vote on if it is actually bad or not.
Again, have individuals argue them to belief in Christianity.
Degenism has a source. Debate the source.
You're cooked because you believe in the enlightenment myth of the free market of ideas where the better ideas win on their own merit, which assumes people and societies are ultimately rational and well informed.
Biblical Christianity has never been proven wrong. Wokeness and leftism are dying ideologies in America, the dems are falling lower and lower. Besides, that is simply because people arent fostering a culture of logic and truth pursuit and most of all Christianity, but of emotion and desire chasing and selfism.
This is in stark contradiction with everything we know about social engineering and brainwashing of the masses through government, media, education, substances and various forms of mind control techniques. They can make people buy the most ridiculous narrative and have them ready to put their life on the line for it.
Yup, monopoly on info. And guess what, they are EXCLUDING (think, censoring) contrary viewpoints. You are literally STEEL-MANNING my case. It's not even 8 replies between us in this specific reply chain, yet your ideas are already being torn in the Marketplace.
I can easily disprove you by pointing out that we wouldn't be living in a world where we have extremely bad ideas underpinning our current world order if there was such a thing as self-regulating "idea capitalism".
You fail to take into account that there are evil secret elite with great power (in multiple sense of the word) & $ intentionally unfairly rigging the scales.
What you said is not only normietalk,
"Nuking the whole planet is bad" is "normietalk."
it's a core boomer belief. It's not even true in the realm of consumer products where marketing (PR/propaganda) above all determines if a product is successful.
Nope. It may influence people, that's on them if they fall for it or not. Again, your precious censorship flies in the face of personal responsibility and incentivizes laziness & dependence.
So basically let society burn
At this rate, society IS burning. BLM? tyranny abroad? Evil secret elite running a bunch of stuff in the world? cybertruck vandalism? no kingzzzz riots? lefty vandalism in general + illegal alien aggression country-wide? HA!! Keeping our kids out of PropaScamda Camps is a good thing. Private Christian schools & homeschools FTW!!
- everyone save themselves on their own?
We have already tried your way, and it SUCKS. You might like the upcoming anti-Christ beast system, he will be VERY censorious and give his triple6 zombie slaves special privilege. his system will do everything for you!! There will be no freedoms for non-marked people - they'll be killed, actually! Your Perfect Paradise in ACTION!!
Wouldn't you prefer a society where public education served the interest of the people in creating truly educated and morally upstanding individuals?
Yes, but i think schools should have size limits. Example, there can only be 20 universities of harvard. Only 20 of Yale. And they must allow parents to scrutinize and criticize. Schools should not be above reproach.
If you wanna censor things, ban evilLotion, millions of years, big bang, and abiogenesis from the schools.
Don't you realize you don't live alone on an island and other people's beliefs and actions affect you because that determines where society goes,
Worldview has consequences. Athiests tend to totally fail to realize the consequences of theirs.
Thanks AGAIN for steel manning my position. People with positions on this issue, like you, are part of the reason KOSA exists. Why the UK and EU and CCP are how they are.
and this is exactly why you should care what is being taught in public schools?
Like gorillions of years, abiogenesis, evilLotion? AbsoLutely!!
So the question still stands: are you fine with them teaching kids to be troons?
I'm fine with the parents (or the kids) trying to convert the teachers to Christianity. Besides, people have trannism fatigue now, so expect decrease in that.
The Bible only mentions the biological sentient life that is humans.
If sentient lizards were real, the Bible would mention them. We would see them.
By censorship I don't mean just suppression of information. I mean limiting behaviors and public propagation of ideas that are morally wrong and detrimental to society.
Which the Govt could label as anything that stops their agenda. Without BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY, you know the govt will always levy it unfavorably and use false labels. Humans are sinful by nature, so censorship will ALWAYS, ALWAYS favor the elite Govt over the regular poor Citizen.
We have seen the fruits of censorship, and the fruits of free speech, and the latter has borne superior fruit in the end.
This includes banning pride parades and drag queen story hour
Mabye do that country by county. Let the counties decide.
So should people be allowed to be sxing on the streets?
If this happens then bystanders can step in.
The demon class can’t be seen because of their 2nd dimensional nature
Nowhere in the Bible does it say they are 2D. They are supernatural and we are physical, we do not see the supernatural. Demons can choose to show themselves though, i think.
The worship energy actually energizes demons who foolishly chose to cut themselves off from God
By definition, they already did cut themselves off.
And no, nowhere in the Bible does it ever once imply that demons consume energy. They are not physical beings. Why would a supernatural being need physical realm energy makes 0 sense. Do angels need to consume energy?
and energy stems from God. Then the invisible demon not visible by the human eye takes the energy to an obelisk which transmits it to a computer in the hollow moon
so the moon is a data hub sender? So which humans flew to saturn and the moon to verify this? Did an astronaut write some blog you've been reading?
I am transsmitting some logic and reason energy to you by my replys. (-:
which sends it to the demon architects on Saturn who consider themselves to be the architects of the deep state or rather the new leaders of it.
Demons and the DS leaders are involved, yes. But not in the convuluted, sci-fi way you claim. All this science fiction-ish stuff muddies the real waters.....
Lucifer’s era has ended
Heh. UK censorship? Lack of epstien file release? RussiaUkraine war? Communism still rampant? Doesn't seem that way.
And the anti Christ is yet to come....
What's the opposite of prove? Contradict!
No, the opposite is DISprove.
That's the real obsession...thinking in opposites, while contradicting oneself against one another.
You are contradicting me. But yet you don't believe doing so is bad. How contradictory.
Love vs hate, hence versus/verto - "to turn". One cannot choose a side without turning against another.
That's your side. So you already turned against me, according to your philosophy
What could be more idolatrous then inverting the child of origin (life) into the child of destination (death)?
Saying things does no such thing. You are inverting words into something with mystical magic power. Words are just tools. That's it. Stop picking your car apart and drive the car. Stop picking words apart and talk normally.
b) To commit aka com (together) mittere (send)...being implies send apart from one another.
That must be a bad thing, in your opinion. Why??
Mimicking/memeing each other tempts one to ignore origin
It tempts free-will-of-choice to hate memes for no reason.
...that's idolatry aka holding together what is being set apart.
No, the definition of idolatry is prioritizing thibgs above God.
Idol/eidos - "form, shape; likeness, resemblance"... https://www.etymonline.com/word/idol
Something prioritized above God.
Nature implies the flow which forms each unique being...ignoring flow (perceivable inspiration) for form (suggested information) implies idolatry.
You are mentioning contradictory things (percievable vs suggested), implying that not even your philosophy can avoid contradictions.
You cannot ignore contradictions, it is unnatural to do so.
Your philosophy contradicts its own self.
Mimicry implies mockery...
You imply mockery.
Your word games got you again. You keep missing the point of what people are saying because of an obsession with words. You look at a vase and obsess over the surface of the vase, you are tempted to ignore what's INSIDE the vase.
The bombardier beetle has an irreducibly complex mechanism. The mousetrap is irreducibly complex. It takes intelligence to make anything irreducibly complex.
Do or do Not GPS and airlines and the trucking business and ship routes on the oceans all rely on globe?
People have used math to support the globe too. Are they right?
CGI means computergenerated imagery. When was it invented?
Agreed.
Doable on a globe, too.
No reason to link the 2. It can be a globe and be 5 years old. Or 6,000. Or 25,000. If your donut is a square or a circle, does that make the donut older or younger? Nope. If you cut a wood square into 4 lines, does that magically warp the wood 8 years into the future?
How so?
Then what is outside our world? Surely the universe is not so limited and myopic.
The Bible defeats the fake time of "billions of years".
Fact check True! Genesis is. Do you know what the Gospel is, and can you cite it?