Gematria isn't numerology. You attempted to use new age numerology to disprove gematria and you went to your mentor, wikipedia or google to find your prize.
It doesn't accomplish your goal. Numerology is a cheap imitation of gematria. It doesn't work that way....randomly choosing words to create a sum, but you'd know that if you weren't willfully iignorant about it.
Today I learned that Yeshua has 4 letters. Count much?
You sure his name isn't 'Jesus'....the hispanic spelling? How about Emmanuel?
I'm trying to teach you how to count and how to spell, but you insist on playing baby games instead.
I've had a saying for decades. It goes, "Who's 'fish' Ichthys?
Answer by telling me why the fish is used as symbol and I'll bury you with the details in an ACTUAL answer that escapes you and is in that scary, intimidating pdf file you're afraid to look at.
What is the vesica pisces? A fish? Learn things. Let me know what else I can help you with.
Jesus divides the two fish among the 5000, and this is represented by drawing three perfectly interpenetrating circles, thus forming "the three worlds diagram" of Hellenistic cosmology. This gives rise to two "fish" or vesica pisces forms in the square of 5000. Each vesica has a horizonal axis which measures 61.2 units in length; together they
measure 122.4 units, and 1224 is the gematria value of the Greek
word FISHES. Each one of the circles has a circumference of 2 22 units, and each vesica therefore has a perimeter of 148.0 units. 1480 is the value of CHRISTOS, and the "vessel of the fish" was an early emblem of his nature. The perimeter of the square measures 282 units, and 282 is the value of the Greek word BIOS, Life, an important aspect of the Universal Logos
In terms of the vertical dimensions, length AB is HERMES, AC is THE God HERMES,
AD is APOLLO, and AE is THE God APOLLO.
This is one small section of the explanation that also includes the 'net', the 5,000,
the 'loaves' and so on, interpreting each according to their divine meaning.
In other words, the story is based upon the pre-Christian canon of Greek theology.
and contains gematria and its associated divine geometry as proofs to the learned, .........not the profane 'seekers after smooth things'.
'Jesus' was said to usher the Age of Pisces. This is the Age of Aquarius.
Aquarius is 'a new outpouring'. But you knew that too, huh.
This is a piece of 'Divine Geometry', as is Q/17 as Divine Inspiration that you lack to interpret or even make the move to discover. The profane won't get the significance. So Team Q knows all about these systems and use it to great success. It was a requirement to be on the team. Knowing things matters, and so the Cicada 3301 separated the wheat from the chaff to create Team Q who acts a surrogate savior until 'the one' becomes the Optic (5:5).
It isn't false because a particular literalist can't decode a commode.
Let me know how else I can raise your consciousness and redpill you on false literal theology while providing the actual information meant to be conveyed. When I was a child, I also spoke as a child. It's already past the time for all literalists to put on the bigboy pants and man up to theology rather than dogma. 'Bad Religion' is exactly how we got here.
You can address me as Elisha or Elijah as each represents the same spirit in a different age.
Gematria isn't numerology. You attempted to use new age numerology to disprove gematria and you went to your mentor, wikipedia or google to find your prize. It doesn't accomplish your goal. Numerology is a cheap imitation of gematria. It doesn't work that way....randomly choosing words to create a sum, but you'd know that if you weren't willfully iignorant about it.
It's an official site for gematria, what are you talking about? What site are you using, and let's compare the data. Absolute non-argument there... Pass.
Today I learned that Yeshua has 4 letters. Count much? You sure his name isn't 'Jesus'....the hispanic spelling? How about Emmanuel? I'm trying to teach you how to count and how to spell, but you insist on playing baby games instead.
Empty accusations and insults... Are you incapable of having a normal discussion? Didn't you want that initially instead of a debate? No wonder you can't have it, since you act like that...
Anyway, Yeshua is a jewish name and has 4 letters. It's the original name of Jesus. Therefore, if gematria should correctly work to find out a numerical value of a name, it logically should be the original name in the original language.
If you don't have any arguments against this, you don't have to continue with petty insults again.
Answer by telling me why the fish is used as symbol and I'll bury you with the details in an ACTUAL answer that escapes you and is in that scary, intimidating pdf file you're afraid to look at.
Nice discussion techniques from you. :D I see this as boasting, personally, but it might be just me.
Jesus divides the two fish among the 5000...
First of all, 3 circles is not 2 fishes. Also, where is the 5000 in this incredible math problem? When I was little, I had a big digital clock in front of me near my bed. It was a funny exercise for me to think of any number and use the digits from the clock to somehow produce it. No magic there, just enough time to adjust the numbers and there you go - you can always produce a random number with any 4 digits (mostly). To contest this incredible math, why not use the radius? We are talking circles, where is Pi in all this?
Btw, did you know that on another occasion Jesus fed 4000 with few loafs of bread, and a few fishes? (Matthew 15:32-39), (Mark 8:1-9)
I wonder how these incredible math skills will apply for the 2nd case, where the number of fish is not specified...
In other words, the story is based upon the pre-Christian canon of Greek theology. and contains gematria and its associated divine geometry as proofs to the learned, .........not the profane 'seekers after smooth things'.
Hey, you wouldn't believe what someone wrote to me about this very situation:
"Platitudes ABOUT knowledge is not knowledge"
Nice, and ironic. I love this type of humor, I can't help it. Hope you don't mind.
'Jesus' was said to usher the Age of Pisces. This is the Age of Aquarius. Aquarius is 'a new outpouring'. But you knew that too, huh.
And you'd be interested to know that the same liar and occultist believes in a god from the Bible called Lucifer... Doesn't that remind you of something that I said earlier? That all these religions are satanic? Source: https://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-sio/sio-hp.htm Notice the title "A Collection of Articles from Lucifer, H. P. Blavatsky's magazine, between 1887-1891"
And you continue with more boasting and insults, ignored again.
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As you can read, I provided sources for my knowledge and conclusions. Specifically, your knowledge is based on a satanist, and such people are described in the Bible perfectly well, and you display the same traits of such people. I, on the other hand, showed you that your source is satanic in origin from her own publishing site + the original name of her own book.
Let me remind you how this conversation even started. I said all these religions are satanic, you attempted to refute that by going directly to a satanist. If the obvious is not clear yet - you confirmed my initial statement with your own sources.
I'd be happy to help you even further to learn the truth about your own sources, even though you act in such a difficult manner. Nobody likes their arguments to be exposed as false, but you decide how to act afterwards.
"It's an official site for gematria, what are you talking about? What site are you using, and let's compare the data
Uh......you know......that SOURCE I gave you from the get-go. THAT source.
So is it that you can't actually read or are just afraid of being shown your comparative ignorance?
That's not a site for gematria. I used an actual site tho, and your argument doesn't help you in any way. Just shows that you're pushing for this book, while you can't give any good argument from it, which I haven't demolished already.
Also, I am not falling for the multiple comments scenario, where you want to divert the topic in 2, or more comment chains. I can contain my reply in a single comment, can you?
So, as usual, I will be ignoring most of your fake insults and fake boasting, while this would be the reply to your 2nd comment, since you can't follow a simple comment chain, unfortunately.
There is no 'official site for gematria' fool. And that isn't gematria. Absolute ignorance.
It is gematria. Gematrix is the biggest site on that, or one of the biggest. If you don't believe it, count the numbers yourself.
Yeshua is NOT an 'original name of Jesus' and you don't 'get' what is behind gematria in the first place, so you're the last to determine 'worth'.
Plain wrong. :D I already sent the wiki link, but here it is again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua#Original_name_for_Jesus (Notice the name of the paragraph - "Original name of Jesus". I just like it that you literally quoted it in your statement. Irony abounds.)
You said 'All these religions are satanic" and I said 'All religions that use magic ritual are satanic'.
That doesn't follow. A theoretical satanism, without the rituals, is still satanism.
Today I learn that the ancient study of the movement of the heavens and mentioned in a myriad of ways in 'the bible' was invented by Helena Blavatsky. You read Helena Blavatsky's work, or did you let a third party dictate to you? Either way, your statement is trash. Aquarius as new outpouring is exactly what is going on here, but you wouldn't know that, being ignorant of the subject.
How so? You previously assumed I didn't know anything about the age of whatever, then I showed you the source + the name of her works includes Lucifer - the devil from... drum roll... The Bible. Hello?
YOU believe in a god named Lucifer. It's in the bible remember? So your bible believes in the god Lucifer. I wonder what the name Lucifer could mean. I wonder why he goes under several 'names' that count out as meaning under gematria, but you don't know that. Lucifer is material knowledge. Material knowledge by itself is profane. Hell, you don't even qualify for that....let alone the ability to discern that knowledge aka wisdom.
You don't get to reinterpret ancient knowledge. Before you were born, and before Helena Blavatsky was born, Lucifer was the name for the devil. You choose to attribute the devil's name to whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that you both follow a satanic ideology. And you both seem to like the ancient name of the devil. Why not call it another name? Because demons are called with their name... Don't you know the saying? "Speak of the devil, and he shall appear" Classic satanism.
You, as a literalist practitioner of magic are more closely akin to the Satanist and Satan is a Christian god by definition and circumstance. Both Lucifer and Jesus are said to be the 'Morning Star'......explain. No....don't even try, it'll make me laugh.
:D How are they one against another? I don't know how it would make you laugh, I am laughing already... :D Your tirades are hilarious, I gotta admit. :D
Hey, they both have eyes... Perhaps they are the same... :D Wait, they both have heads too?! Wait a minute... :D The term "morning star" means HOPE. A light that shines in the morning (time of mourning). It's not a hard concept, and it's not an actual light in the sky... :D It's ironic that you accuse me of being literal, while that's what you're doing.. :D You make me laugh... be serious, I struggle to put forth arguments when you make me laugh so much... :D
Now you learn that 17 is The Star, not to be confused with Tsaddi, neither of which you understand...and so you don't really belong in the movement of Q/17/The Star.....as you reject the new outpouring of eternal truths.
Indeed, count me out of your satanism and any kind of satanism.
This is like discussing Calculus with a five year old.
Sure, sure.. It just so happens that I am a mathematician and when winning in international competitions, the US team was comprised by 3 Chinese kids and an Indian kid... Imagine that... :D Your boasting only makes me laugh... :D
So I'll continue to redpill you with information and you can continue with sheer denial of something unknown, while pretending, so we can show our proper positions. Bad religion is how we got here. Raise it up to the eternal principles and you'll experience a Great Awakening instead.
How so? Your sources are only confirmed satanists. You even quoted crowley on his tarot bs. :D
A lot of gibberish this time from you... Very weak arguments. You're not even responding to my challenges. I'll take it as you've lost the argument and now being angry due to it... I hope you don't lose your mind tho...
Anyway... This discussion has been... well, terrible, not gonna sugarcoat it. You can't control your emotions for a simple discussion on theology. You present many of the traits of someone losing an argument, while they can't deal with it - dodging topics, insulting, mocking, can't stay on point, can't deliver proof of his own claims, etc., etc. This has gone beyond a rational discussion, which only shows that the satanic rage couldn't win against heaven, surely, it can't win against someone trying to be a Christian. Weak argumentation, or non-existent.
In conclusion, this has been educational for me, in the least of ways. I usually debate people of higher intellect, so when I lose an argument, I feel that I won knowledge at least. With you is just more insults and empty boasting... As much as I like to see a meltdown, I think we should end it here. I've given you more than reasonably sufficient opportunities to defend your argument, and you couldn't. If your emotions control you, then don't control me... So we can't converse on the same level, thankfully!
Gematria isn't numerology. You attempted to use new age numerology to disprove gematria and you went to your mentor, wikipedia or google to find your prize. It doesn't accomplish your goal. Numerology is a cheap imitation of gematria. It doesn't work that way....randomly choosing words to create a sum, but you'd know that if you weren't willfully iignorant about it.
Today I learned that Yeshua has 4 letters. Count much? You sure his name isn't 'Jesus'....the hispanic spelling? How about Emmanuel? I'm trying to teach you how to count and how to spell, but you insist on playing baby games instead.
I've had a saying for decades. It goes, "Who's 'fish' Ichthys?
Answer by telling me why the fish is used as symbol and I'll bury you with the details in an ACTUAL answer that escapes you and is in that scary, intimidating pdf file you're afraid to look at.
What is the vesica pisces? A fish? Learn things. Let me know what else I can help you with.
Jesus divides the two fish among the 5000, and this is represented by drawing three perfectly interpenetrating circles, thus forming "the three worlds diagram" of Hellenistic cosmology. This gives rise to two "fish" or vesica pisces forms in the square of 5000. Each vesica has a horizonal axis which measures 61.2 units in length; together they measure 122.4 units, and 1224 is the gematria value of the Greek word FISHES. Each one of the circles has a circumference of 2 22 units, and each vesica therefore has a perimeter of 148.0 units. 1480 is the value of CHRISTOS, and the "vessel of the fish" was an early emblem of his nature. The perimeter of the square measures 282 units, and 282 is the value of the Greek word BIOS, Life, an important aspect of the Universal Logos In terms of the vertical dimensions, length AB is HERMES, AC is THE God HERMES, AD is APOLLO, and AE is THE God APOLLO. This is one small section of the explanation that also includes the 'net', the 5,000, the 'loaves' and so on, interpreting each according to their divine meaning.
In other words, the story is based upon the pre-Christian canon of Greek theology. and contains gematria and its associated divine geometry as proofs to the learned, .........not the profane 'seekers after smooth things'.
'Jesus' was said to usher the Age of Pisces. This is the Age of Aquarius. Aquarius is 'a new outpouring'. But you knew that too, huh.
This is a piece of 'Divine Geometry', as is Q/17 as Divine Inspiration that you lack to interpret or even make the move to discover. The profane won't get the significance. So Team Q knows all about these systems and use it to great success. It was a requirement to be on the team. Knowing things matters, and so the Cicada 3301 separated the wheat from the chaff to create Team Q who acts a surrogate savior until 'the one' becomes the Optic (5:5).
It isn't false because a particular literalist can't decode a commode.
Let me know how else I can raise your consciousness and redpill you on false literal theology while providing the actual information meant to be conveyed. When I was a child, I also spoke as a child. It's already past the time for all literalists to put on the bigboy pants and man up to theology rather than dogma. 'Bad Religion' is exactly how we got here. You can address me as Elisha or Elijah as each represents the same spirit in a different age.
Now throw a another fit with false assumptions.
It's an official site for gematria, what are you talking about? What site are you using, and let's compare the data. Absolute non-argument there... Pass.
Empty accusations and insults... Are you incapable of having a normal discussion? Didn't you want that initially instead of a debate? No wonder you can't have it, since you act like that...
Anyway, Yeshua is a jewish name and has 4 letters. It's the original name of Jesus. Therefore, if gematria should correctly work to find out a numerical value of a name, it logically should be the original name in the original language.
If you don't have any arguments against this, you don't have to continue with petty insults again.
Nice discussion techniques from you. :D I see this as boasting, personally, but it might be just me.
First of all, 3 circles is not 2 fishes. Also, where is the 5000 in this incredible math problem? When I was little, I had a big digital clock in front of me near my bed. It was a funny exercise for me to think of any number and use the digits from the clock to somehow produce it. No magic there, just enough time to adjust the numbers and there you go - you can always produce a random number with any 4 digits (mostly). To contest this incredible math, why not use the radius? We are talking circles, where is Pi in all this?
Btw, did you know that on another occasion Jesus fed 4000 with few loafs of bread, and a few fishes? (Matthew 15:32-39), (Mark 8:1-9)
I wonder how these incredible math skills will apply for the 2nd case, where the number of fish is not specified...
Hey, you wouldn't believe what someone wrote to me about this very situation:
"Platitudes ABOUT knowledge is not knowledge"
Nice, and ironic. I love this type of humor, I can't help it. Hope you don't mind.
Of course I know this. Lies from the occultist Helena Blavatsky. Source - https://www.scribd.com/document/392379645/The-Pistis-Sophia-Lucifer-April-1891
And you'd be interested to know that the same liar and occultist believes in a god from the Bible called Lucifer... Doesn't that remind you of something that I said earlier? That all these religions are satanic? Source: https://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-sio/sio-hp.htm Notice the title "A Collection of Articles from Lucifer, H. P. Blavatsky's magazine, between 1887-1891"
Another source that also includes the name Lucifer and Blavatsky, confirming that the connection is as intended by H. P. Blavatsky - https://www.amazon.com/Studies-Occultism-Annotated-Collection-Blavatskys/dp/B0C9SDLR32
And you continue with more boasting and insults, ignored again.
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As you can read, I provided sources for my knowledge and conclusions. Specifically, your knowledge is based on a satanist, and such people are described in the Bible perfectly well, and you display the same traits of such people. I, on the other hand, showed you that your source is satanic in origin from her own publishing site + the original name of her own book.
Let me remind you how this conversation even started. I said all these religions are satanic, you attempted to refute that by going directly to a satanist. If the obvious is not clear yet - you confirmed my initial statement with your own sources.
I'd be happy to help you even further to learn the truth about your own sources, even though you act in such a difficult manner. Nobody likes their arguments to be exposed as false, but you decide how to act afterwards.
"It's an official site for gematria, what are you talking about? What site are you using, and let's compare the data
Uh......you know......that SOURCE I gave you from the get-go. THAT source. So is it that you can't actually read or are just afraid of being shown your comparative ignorance?
Go ahead.....dig in........LOL
https://kupdf.net/download/jesus-christ-sun-of-god-ancient-cosmology-and-early-christian-symbolism-by-david-r-fideler-ocr_58a100e36454a7335db1eb87_pdf
How's the reading coming? You're a fraud. Let me know what else I can help you ignore.
That's not a site for gematria. I used an actual site tho, and your argument doesn't help you in any way. Just shows that you're pushing for this book, while you can't give any good argument from it, which I haven't demolished already.
Also, I am not falling for the multiple comments scenario, where you want to divert the topic in 2, or more comment chains. I can contain my reply in a single comment, can you?
So, as usual, I will be ignoring most of your fake insults and fake boasting, while this would be the reply to your 2nd comment, since you can't follow a simple comment chain, unfortunately.
It is gematria. Gematrix is the biggest site on that, or one of the biggest. If you don't believe it, count the numbers yourself.
Plain wrong. :D I already sent the wiki link, but here it is again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua#Original_name_for_Jesus (Notice the name of the paragraph - "Original name of Jesus". I just like it that you literally quoted it in your statement. Irony abounds.)
That doesn't follow. A theoretical satanism, without the rituals, is still satanism.
How so? You previously assumed I didn't know anything about the age of whatever, then I showed you the source + the name of her works includes Lucifer - the devil from... drum roll... The Bible. Hello?
You don't get to reinterpret ancient knowledge. Before you were born, and before Helena Blavatsky was born, Lucifer was the name for the devil. You choose to attribute the devil's name to whatever you want. Doesn't change the fact that you both follow a satanic ideology. And you both seem to like the ancient name of the devil. Why not call it another name? Because demons are called with their name... Don't you know the saying? "Speak of the devil, and he shall appear" Classic satanism.
:D How are they one against another? I don't know how it would make you laugh, I am laughing already... :D Your tirades are hilarious, I gotta admit. :D
Hey, they both have eyes... Perhaps they are the same... :D Wait, they both have heads too?! Wait a minute... :D The term "morning star" means HOPE. A light that shines in the morning (time of mourning). It's not a hard concept, and it's not an actual light in the sky... :D It's ironic that you accuse me of being literal, while that's what you're doing.. :D You make me laugh... be serious, I struggle to put forth arguments when you make me laugh so much... :D
Indeed, count me out of your satanism and any kind of satanism.
Sure, sure.. It just so happens that I am a mathematician and when winning in international competitions, the US team was comprised by 3 Chinese kids and an Indian kid... Imagine that... :D Your boasting only makes me laugh... :D
How so? Your sources are only confirmed satanists. You even quoted crowley on his tarot bs. :D
A lot of gibberish this time from you... Very weak arguments. You're not even responding to my challenges. I'll take it as you've lost the argument and now being angry due to it... I hope you don't lose your mind tho...
Anyway... This discussion has been... well, terrible, not gonna sugarcoat it. You can't control your emotions for a simple discussion on theology. You present many of the traits of someone losing an argument, while they can't deal with it - dodging topics, insulting, mocking, can't stay on point, can't deliver proof of his own claims, etc., etc. This has gone beyond a rational discussion, which only shows that the satanic rage couldn't win against heaven, surely, it can't win against someone trying to be a Christian. Weak argumentation, or non-existent.
In conclusion, this has been educational for me, in the least of ways. I usually debate people of higher intellect, so when I lose an argument, I feel that I won knowledge at least. With you is just more insults and empty boasting... As much as I like to see a meltdown, I think we should end it here. I've given you more than reasonably sufficient opportunities to defend your argument, and you couldn't. If your emotions control you, then don't control me... So we can't converse on the same level, thankfully!
Anyway, research more, do better! All the best!