Maybe there were many Jesuses at different times in the history of mankind,
There were Messiahs all over the place in those times. It's not like Jesus was walking around being the ONLY guy claiming to be the Messiah. It was a known hustle back then. Even today, in the US, at any given time, there are multiple people claiming to be the Messiah, a prophet, whatever. Nothing new.
There were Messiahs all over the place in those times
And probably there are many today. But, It's not what I'm talking about.
Even today, in the US, at any given time, there are multiple people claiming to be the Messiah, a prophet, whatever
Again, I'm pretty sure you are correct, but you are talking about something completely different.
Messiah is the Hebrew term mashiach, meaning "the anointed one," referring to a savior or liberator chosen by God to restore a group of people. This is something that the Jews have made up. And Christians adopted. In Christianity Jesus of Nazareth is believed to be the Messiah who fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies. But, IMO this is just a made up story. God, and I happen to believe there is one, I call him pure consciousness, has never chosen anyone, an individual human being, and never will. This God has chosen to create Humanity, and for that purpose he chose all 8 billion of us. We're all his sons and daughters, whoever says otherwise is only trying to divide us. The divine spark is the portion of the true, transcendent God (pure consciousness) that resides within each human being, trapped within the material world we are born in.
All you have to do is recognize the portion of God that resides within each one of us (within yourself), the inner divine spark, and connect. Once you do that then you become a Christ, or a Messiah, which is nothing more than a title. Jesus is just a name, just like yours may be Michael or John, but it's not who he or you are. You are a divine spark (a small portion of the infinite consciousness) temporarily housed in a material body. I hope you now understand what I meant by "many Jesuses".
So universalism? Sympathy for the devil? Where do you put this forum's favorite despots and tyrants when they die, are they Jesuses?
I appreciate your saying it's your opinion because I have relative respect for universalists who don't insist on everyone else agreeing with them. (Kinda defeats the argument of universalism to believe that some argument is necessary to get others to agree with you if you believe they will already.)
I have relative respect for universalists who don't insist on everyone else agreeing with them
I wouldn't call myself a universalist, but I can see where you're coming from. And you're not wrong. And likewise I'm fine with other people having a different opinion. I do hold the belief that every person will ultimately enter heaven, e.g. achieve Christ consciousness. It may take thousands of lifetimes, but that's end result. I'm sure a loving God would not condemn anyone to eternal torment.
If there are sentient spirit beings, will they too enter heaven, even if they're as bad as the Biblical devil?
Will the worst tyrants turn into perfect people in time, so that in a million years you might laugh in the heavens with someone who literally killed 10 million people (or billions over many lifetimes) about how (s)he doesn't deserve any punishment for that (and what does that mean for morality today)?
If you believe in reincarnation, have you considered the differences between gilgul, metempsychosis, and transmigration, and come down on a definitive position of the interim time, the nature of memory and amnesia, and the relationship of souls and oversouls?
Is there perhaps a time when a person's freewill has the power to "lock in" the desire to reject good and morality forever, or is a person not free to lock that desire in because such desire will always be thwarted sooner or later?
There were Messiahs all over the place in those times. It's not like Jesus was walking around being the ONLY guy claiming to be the Messiah. It was a known hustle back then. Even today, in the US, at any given time, there are multiple people claiming to be the Messiah, a prophet, whatever. Nothing new.
And probably there are many today. But, It's not what I'm talking about.
Again, I'm pretty sure you are correct, but you are talking about something completely different.
Messiah is the Hebrew term mashiach, meaning "the anointed one," referring to a savior or liberator chosen by God to restore a group of people. This is something that the Jews have made up. And Christians adopted. In Christianity Jesus of Nazareth is believed to be the Messiah who fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies. But, IMO this is just a made up story. God, and I happen to believe there is one, I call him pure consciousness, has never chosen anyone, an individual human being, and never will. This God has chosen to create Humanity, and for that purpose he chose all 8 billion of us. We're all his sons and daughters, whoever says otherwise is only trying to divide us. The divine spark is the portion of the true, transcendent God (pure consciousness) that resides within each human being, trapped within the material world we are born in.
All you have to do is recognize the portion of God that resides within each one of us (within yourself), the inner divine spark, and connect. Once you do that then you become a Christ, or a Messiah, which is nothing more than a title. Jesus is just a name, just like yours may be Michael or John, but it's not who he or you are. You are a divine spark (a small portion of the infinite consciousness) temporarily housed in a material body. I hope you now understand what I meant by "many Jesuses".
So universalism? Sympathy for the devil? Where do you put this forum's favorite despots and tyrants when they die, are they Jesuses?
I appreciate your saying it's your opinion because I have relative respect for universalists who don't insist on everyone else agreeing with them. (Kinda defeats the argument of universalism to believe that some argument is necessary to get others to agree with you if you believe they will already.)
I wouldn't call myself a universalist, but I can see where you're coming from. And you're not wrong. And likewise I'm fine with other people having a different opinion. I do hold the belief that every person will ultimately enter heaven, e.g. achieve Christ consciousness. It may take thousands of lifetimes, but that's end result. I'm sure a loving God would not condemn anyone to eternal torment.
No idea what you mean by this.
Thanks Critical.
If there are sentient spirit beings, will they too enter heaven, even if they're as bad as the Biblical devil?
Will the worst tyrants turn into perfect people in time, so that in a million years you might laugh in the heavens with someone who literally killed 10 million people (or billions over many lifetimes) about how (s)he doesn't deserve any punishment for that (and what does that mean for morality today)?
If you believe in reincarnation, have you considered the differences between gilgul, metempsychosis, and transmigration, and come down on a definitive position of the interim time, the nature of memory and amnesia, and the relationship of souls and oversouls?
Is there perhaps a time when a person's freewill has the power to "lock in" the desire to reject good and morality forever, or is a person not free to lock that desire in because such desire will always be thwarted sooner or later?
Things to think about.