You are jumping between centuries, stereotypes, and modern politics and pretending it is one continuous argument. It is not.
EXACTLY. So that basically disproves your entire idea that j EVVs and J ews (Heb rews!) are the same.
First, the “Christkiller” accusation. The New Testament itself does not support blaming an entire people.
Know what a "Representative" is? Also I don't blame a people, that is a strawman the edj EVVcation system drilled into the weakmind g0ybrains.
Yeshua was executed by Roman authority under Pontius Pilate. Historically that is how crucifixion worked. Rome carried it out.
Who made Rome do it? It's not like there's a "clean side".
Second, the idea that Jews today secretly worship Baal or Molech.
It's not secret, it's known.
That accusation makes no sense when applied to Ju daism. Ju daism has been strictly monotheistic for thousands of years
You mean the OT kind, which isn't being practiced, to our knowledge. There is also no temple for sacrifices to be properly done.
and explicitly condemns those idols. The Heb rew Scriptures repeatedly condemn Molech worship as abomination.
And j EVVs after 70 A.D. do not follow them, to our knowledge.
Third, the coin clipping stereotype. That crime shows up in medieval Europe. Court records from England and other kingdoms show large numbers of Christians prosecuted for it. Yet entire Je vvish communities were often blamed collectively even when individuals convicted were not Je vvish. That is where the stereotype comes from.
Believed what jEVVs said about his ancestors award. "The people whose country bombed the USS Liberty and killed JFK are more trustworthy than everyone else! Leo frank dindu nuffin! Larry Loomer the trans person is the best influencer!"
Imagine undermining your own faith in support of people who view you as g0yim (cattle). How many statues of WW1 and WW2 veterans are there in holocost museums? In Israel? What's UNreal's policy on blacks or indians marrying J evvs?
Fourth, the claim about political control or a unified agenda.
A depressingly large amount are in favor of it. The others don't care or are ignorant about it. This argument is no different from the "Not All Mozlems" argument.
J evvish populations are politically diverse across countries and communities.
Didn't say otherwise. Fact: More j EVVs voted for cameltoe HairyHas than Trump in 2024.
The fact that some J evvs hold positions of influence does not prove a coordinated agenda any more than influential Catholics, Protestants, or secular people prove those groups run governments.
Then how come all Western countries at some point want to suicide via woke policy and mass migration?
Fifth, the argument that ancient He brews were different from Je vvs today. Historically that is incorrect. Juda ism developed directly from the religion and people of ancient Is real after the Second Temple period.
It was in effect from when people offered sacrifices and observed 613 laws to after Jesus rose.
With all the horrendous outcomes that influential jEVVs produce, how can you possibly believe they are Heb rews?
The continuity is widely recognized in historical and archaeological scholarship.
If that was true we would be taught that instead of Swindler's Li(e)st and literal Hollywood propaganda.
Finally, the entire discussion started because you were mocking
Ah, because questioning a number is mocking.
the idea that a J evv could believe Yeshua is the Messiah.
Then he would be a Christian. Or do you mean racially?
The apostle Paul the Apostle was exactly that: a J evv
Hebrew by lineage?
So the attempt to divide “Hebrews” from “Je vvs,” pile on
A ton of facts, yeah. Like
medieval accusations,
Like how j eVVs accuse g0ys of a bunch of things, one alltime favorite being "anti SHEMite"?
and then attach modern politics to it does not hold up historically or Biblically.
Because the impostors that appeared later also didn't exist.
disproves your entire idea that j EVVs and J ews (Heb rews!) are the same
Haven't read everything yet, but have you explained why you reject the rights conferred by holders of the continuous chain of transmission of the name Jew, previously Ju in French, previously Judaeus in Latin, previously Ioudaios in Greek? Even when a people-group merges in another under its continuous polity, it retains the right to the former name. Or do we have the right to name them while they don't?
Lack of temple was compensated for by two different groups of Jews, Messianics (who became Christians) and Pharisees (who became Talmudists). Both claim continuity in different ways with the original covenant polity headquartered among the Israelites. So lack of temple doesn't disqualify either group from retaining its rights to names.
The exact same is true for how the Hebrew Scriptures are followed, both claim continuity.
Thank you for calling out Frank and Loomer.
It was in effect from when people offered sacrifices and observed 613 laws to after Jesus rose.
This too is brought forward to say the Jewish religion changed irreconcilably. However, sacrifice before and after the cross was identical while the temple stood. Following Mosaic law for the Jewish-born people and Noachite law for the Gentile-born people was the agreed practice of both Christians and Jews alike. The refinement of the meaning of Mosaic law until its derivation was tied to exactly 613 separate passages of the Torah was an organic process. So there's not a point at which Jews lost title to the name "Jews" that I can see.
With all the horrendous outcomes that influential jEVVs produce, how can you possibly believe they are Heb rews?
Because they are accepted as Hebrews by those who continue to have rights in the genetic identification as Jews. Christians long recognized and admitted they had only adoptive (spiritual) identification as sons of Judah, not genetic identification. To prove rabbinical Jews are not Hebrews would require some robust theory of total replacement without continuity, and the two primary candidates for this replacement (Edomite and Khazar) don't do the job historically. Proof by behavior doesn't complete the proof: even in John 8 Jesus admits the Jewish objectors were Abraham's seed and Abraham was their father, but said their behavior as children of the devil would belie that identification. But removing them from being Jewish is a formal process of anathematization that he didn't engage. So, your reasoning for taking the process upon yourself as judge, jury, and executioner?
EXACTLY. So that basically disproves your entire idea that j EVVs and J ews (Heb rews!) are the same.
Know what a "Representative" is? Also I don't blame a people, that is a strawman the edj EVVcation system drilled into the weakmind g0ybrains.
Who made Rome do it? It's not like there's a "clean side".
It's not secret, it's known.
You mean the OT kind, which isn't being practiced, to our knowledge. There is also no temple for sacrifices to be properly done.
And j EVVs after 70 A.D. do not follow them, to our knowledge.
Believed what jEVVs said about his ancestors award. "The people whose country bombed the USS Liberty and killed JFK are more trustworthy than everyone else! Leo frank dindu nuffin! Larry Loomer the trans person is the best influencer!"
Imagine undermining your own faith in support of people who view you as g0yim (cattle). How many statues of WW1 and WW2 veterans are there in holocost museums? In Israel? What's UNreal's policy on blacks or indians marrying J evvs?
A depressingly large amount are in favor of it. The others don't care or are ignorant about it. This argument is no different from the "Not All Mozlems" argument.
Didn't say otherwise. Fact: More j EVVs voted for cameltoe HairyHas than Trump in 2024.
Then how come all Western countries at some point want to suicide via woke policy and mass migration?
It was in effect from when people offered sacrifices and observed 613 laws to after Jesus rose.
With all the horrendous outcomes that influential jEVVs produce, how can you possibly believe they are Heb rews?
If that was true we would be taught that instead of Swindler's Li(e)st and literal Hollywood propaganda.
Ah, because questioning a number is mocking.
Then he would be a Christian. Or do you mean racially?
Hebrew by lineage?
A ton of facts, yeah. Like
Like how j eVVs accuse g0ys of a bunch of things, one alltime favorite being "anti SHEMite"?
Because the impostors that appeared later also didn't exist.
Correct.
Haven't read everything yet, but have you explained why you reject the rights conferred by holders of the continuous chain of transmission of the name Jew, previously Ju in French, previously Judaeus in Latin, previously Ioudaios in Greek? Even when a people-group merges in another under its continuous polity, it retains the right to the former name. Or do we have the right to name them while they don't?
Lack of temple was compensated for by two different groups of Jews, Messianics (who became Christians) and Pharisees (who became Talmudists). Both claim continuity in different ways with the original covenant polity headquartered among the Israelites. So lack of temple doesn't disqualify either group from retaining its rights to names.
The exact same is true for how the Hebrew Scriptures are followed, both claim continuity.
Thank you for calling out Frank and Loomer.
This too is brought forward to say the Jewish religion changed irreconcilably. However, sacrifice before and after the cross was identical while the temple stood. Following Mosaic law for the Jewish-born people and Noachite law for the Gentile-born people was the agreed practice of both Christians and Jews alike. The refinement of the meaning of Mosaic law until its derivation was tied to exactly 613 separate passages of the Torah was an organic process. So there's not a point at which Jews lost title to the name "Jews" that I can see.
Because they are accepted as Hebrews by those who continue to have rights in the genetic identification as Jews. Christians long recognized and admitted they had only adoptive (spiritual) identification as sons of Judah, not genetic identification. To prove rabbinical Jews are not Hebrews would require some robust theory of total replacement without continuity, and the two primary candidates for this replacement (Edomite and Khazar) don't do the job historically. Proof by behavior doesn't complete the proof: even in John 8 Jesus admits the Jewish objectors were Abraham's seed and Abraham was their father, but said their behavior as children of the devil would belie that identification. But removing them from being Jewish is a formal process of anathematization that he didn't engage. So, your reasoning for taking the process upon yourself as judge, jury, and executioner?