Thanks! u/Graphenium:
The worldview expressed in the Law of One/“Ra Material” and the Hidden Hand interview
https://www.wanttoknow.info/secret_societies/hidden_hand_081018
The way I see things, these two sources explain existence, the state of our world, and the meaning of life far more accurately than any other. One is a “channeled” work, and the other is a long series of Questions and Answers between a conspiracy forum (RiP ATS) and a self-proclaimed world-controller. I see them as complimentary, showing a deeper reality by showing two sides of the same coin. One side being that of Service-to-Others, and the other being Service-to-Self
https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/1ASG9Vy4Tl/round-table-suggestion-thread/c
Thread will stay open for 3-4 weeks thanks to a very helpful suggestion.
u/Graphenium, you didn't pick up on my prior thoughts here.
Since I met you, you've had this interesting tack. You really want dialogues on the whizbang feeling you get about some very specific data points that inspire you so much that you appear to love to speak about them endlessly, Ra or Chang or Atlantis; but then you don't actually seem to contribute much to dialogue. It's odd to hear myself saying that but it's an attempt to diagnose.
When I ask what you've got in reality, it's all generic maybes and kindas. When I supply my own definite beliefs, those too are met by more of the same. You seem committed to truth while also not responsible to select any particular truth beyond that original commitment while also excessively evangelistic about particular experiences about how great these things make you feel and how much you want to talk about them yet without saying anything committal.
Well, there seems to be a little bit of pent-up analysis coming out fast now that I've opened that valve a little bit.
To take it somewhere, OP is: "The way I see things, these two sources explain existence, the state of our world, and the meaning of life far more accurately than any other." I respond that HH is just recycling simple illuminatist talk like I could fake anytime (who's to say I haven't or won't) and isn't even consistent. You're literally (Add:) DEFENDING a Hollow Earther according to HH on 10-24 21:53 and you're literally defending that as the most accurate explanation of any in the world. Now you could back off and say, no, what you mean is that the general picture of the devil actually being good (by his own judgment) is the most accurate general picture of all, the specifics are unimportant, but (a) that's not what you said and (b) that too is merely a theodicy copout that we haven't plumbed yet between us.
So can we at least find out what you actually mean in OP without saying Hollow Earth is more accurate than anything? Can you come down on a solid position such as "Helel is a Good Moral Agent" or do you just want to continue playing gadfly and pretending you're not getting bugzapped?
Your comment ' You're literally a Hollow Earther according to HH on 10-24 21:53 and you're literally defending that as the most accurate explanation of any in the world.'
Is being understood as a slur and then you were slurred against and me and Graph are at an impasse about this.
Mfw the guy who thinks the world is 6,000 years old because his book lists some genealogies is busting my balls about mUh “Hollow Earth”
So 5+ years later and you still haven’t read any of the Law of One? And i’m the one who isn’t putting the work into the conversation lmfao? I post things to share, you post things to “convince”, you’re just not very convincing, that’s all. Don’t over think it Freud.
6,018. "Let's stick to the facts here." Plus the point is taken, you're not defending OP language so there's no point to OP.
Just not that interested in what Ra has to say, compared to other pursuits. I'm actually not writing to convince, but I have a whole lot all ready to share and so it looks like conviction. OTOH I can't say that you have convictions in your mind, just a couple unaccountable ones in your actions. "I want to talk Ra", e.g., and whether one agrees with Ra or ignores him or ridicules him or fights him your desire to talk doesn't change. That's called "groupie".
What’s the title of the thread again?
And wow I just checked, you are one disingenuous faggot, here’s the quote you’re pissing yourself over:
So obviously a joke. What are you retarded?
Calling a user a faggot would be a rule 1 violation, even if you're frustrated.
Are you willing to edit?
Since the time on the thread is almost run out, I'm using the luxury to be direct.
The namecalling as soon as something is questioned, yeah I remember it all, Graph. If "the worldview expressed" "far more accurately than any other" feels free to play fast and loose with Hollow Earth, that's more likely revelation of method than it is actual belief and allegiance. I don't know why you cling so uncritically to particular crystallized moments in time if it isn't some kind of euphoric experience you've gotten out of them and a hope to recover it; it isn't about logic, as it goes to a defense of some kind of inerrancy at least as strong as my reasoned defense of Biblical inerrancy.
Okay, I've got the intro page open to "it is also my opinion that this book and the subsequent volumes of the Ra material contain the most useful information that I have discovered". Now I'm currently reading a complete different book on a different subject by a guy who thinks he understands science and trances, so I'm not guaranteeing I'm coming back to this soon because it's unhealthy to do too many of these at once, but I'll keep it open.
Problem is, just as HH is easy to fake, Ra is so perfectly aligned to the Biblical narrative in which the channeled entities are the Bad Guys that there's little room for a view in which the channeled might be Good Guys. If they say the Bible is wrong without a commensurate evidentiary argument, that's a marker of Bad; if they say there's an amoral or supermoral sentient race beyond our ken, or common human morality is misguided, that's a marker of Bad; if they promote sympathy for the devil in some way other than those Christians who are seeking to define a hopeful universalism, that's a marker of Bad. Not because the Bible is automatically subjectively "Good" but because the Bible has objectively passed many tests of truth that Ra has not. For people who don't have a Christian mythopoeia, any developed fictional worldbuilding will do because it feels "better" (more constructed) than other things one has confronted. Especially if a person gets deep with the myth and shallow with the Bible, having had some bad experience with it because people do misinterpret and mischaracterize it, they insulate themselves doubly against truth, (as the Bible says) building their own broken cisterns and rejecting the spring of the water of life in the same move. But the youth who has been exposed to the whole Bible consistently can gainsay the weltanschauung zeitgeist.
Now I suppose I should say that since the generic grey-reptilian alien war story is easily debunked for its cover I should be glad that you're giving me opportunity to investigate the potentially more insidious 4th-density harvest story. But of course it's the same, the greys want to take us to the age of Aquarius (an event you also believe in), the Ra entities want to take us to the 4th density, it's just about getting our misleadingly informed consent. Genesis 3 again. Yesterday we campaigned, today you voted. I'm already on record for the heaven that I chose, or that chose me, I don't have a reason for review of the 4th-density attempt, or the Urantian or Mayan attempts. For your sake if there's something I can learn to help us communicate, well and good, but if your worldview is "whatever Carla Rueckert says in a trance" then you're kinda tied to a particular Gospel that is at its core contradictory to the good news I've learned. If "all is one" then destroying you is the same as blessing you and there is no basis for social relationship or in fact doing or not doing anything.
If you think it worth my while, the pages I'll keep open are Previous Synopsis and Synopsis (!) and check their links, at my convenience.