Sure but what does this prove? That Jacob was referred to as goy before he received the title Israel? I mean, it makes sense that there was a point where Israel started, just like Abraham was a pagan Canaanite before he was anointed by Melchizedek.
I was playing dumb - I know what SwampRanger was getting at and I know his dispensational views. He was obviously being dishonest by saying Israel IS a goy too. It's similar to saying Christ wasn't a Christian - that's a false argument treading on semantics. Jacob is the first person who differentiated from the category goy and created a new category Israel just like Christ created a new category of Christian.
It proves that the english word nation is translated to the Hebrew word goy.
Goy has become a slur God did not intend.
Israel is a people group of 12 tribes and throughout time some of them have represented a remnant of those faithful to the Most High God.
Some other times many fell away.
God doesn't care about words and languages because those are human creations - He cares about meaning and concepts which are part of His logi (divine ideas).
What matters is what the word 'goy' signifies in the given context.
Israel is a people group of 12 tribes and throughout time some of them have represented a remnant of those faithful to the Most High God. Some other times many fell away.
That's the meaning of Israel until Christ. The NT makes clear that Israel is now the Church - the heavenly Kingdom of God here on Earth and Christians are the new adopted sons of Jacob - not by blood but by the Spirit. This renders the previously accurate term goy blasphemous because as Paul says there are no jews or gentiles for we're all one in Christ. Of course jews and zionist Christians reject this and they stick to the OT definition, hence why we have an actual state of Israel and a new Temple about to be built where they will anoint their false messiah - the Antichrist.
https://imgur.com/a/bcmkg0b
Copy of text from blueletterbible.com on this verse.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/25/1/
Forgive the add on memes, I can't link around it and the other 2 image boards I had found are unusable.
Sure but what does this prove? That Jacob was referred to as goy before he received the title Israel? I mean, it makes sense that there was a point where Israel started, just like Abraham was a pagan Canaanite before he was anointed by Melchizedek.
I was playing dumb - I know what SwampRanger was getting at and I know his dispensational views. He was obviously being dishonest by saying Israel IS a goy too. It's similar to saying Christ wasn't a Christian - that's a false argument treading on semantics. Jacob is the first person who differentiated from the category goy and created a new category Israel just like Christ created a new category of Christian.
It proves that the english word nation is translated to the Hebrew word goy.
Goy has become a slur God did not intend.
Israel is a people group of 12 tribes and throughout time some of them have represented a remnant of those faithful to the Most High God. Some other times many fell away.
God doesn't care about words and languages because those are human creations - He cares about meaning and concepts which are part of His logi (divine ideas).
What matters is what the word 'goy' signifies in the given context.
That's the meaning of Israel until Christ. The NT makes clear that Israel is now the Church - the heavenly Kingdom of God here on Earth and Christians are the new adopted sons of Jacob - not by blood but by the Spirit. This renders the previously accurate term goy blasphemous because as Paul says there are no jews or gentiles for we're all one in Christ. Of course jews and zionist Christians reject this and they stick to the OT definition, hence why we have an actual state of Israel and a new Temple about to be built where they will anoint their false messiah - the Antichrist.