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I respect your other comments and you seem wise enough to take direction from a few simple indicators.
Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus .... and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews! ... And they crucified him (Matt. 27:27, 29, 35). Roman soldiers.
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets (1 Th. 2:14-15). Not "crucified". "The Jews" here excludes Thessalonian Jews and Christian Jews.
When Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel .... The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied .... And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead .... And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers .... Many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand (Acts 3:12, 13, 15, 17, 4:4). Hundreds of Israelites who delivered Jesus were of the first 5,000 Christians.
The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead (Acts 10:36-41).
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Rom. 1:16).
And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law (Acts 21:20). Greek, literally "many myriads", i.e. over 30,000 Torah-observant Messianic Jews in Jerusalem alone.
Yes, like any Gentile, except the English Bible capitalizes "Jewish" and "Jew".
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28). So, only in the sense that one is "no longer" a man or woman. Further:
Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew (Acts 21:39). While a Christian.
He is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Rom. 2:29).
All the quotes you brought up do not deny that the Jews that reject Jesus are the “children of the devil”
Yeah, exactly. Bottom line is that the Jews(ones that deny Jesus) are “children of the devil” as a whole and are not the “chosen people of God”. They should be treated like any other group of people.
When I’m talking about Jews, I’m talking about those who deny Christ. Of course Paul was Jewish, he wasn’t “Chosen of God” because of that, but was a “child of God” because he was a Christian. Being Jewish had nothing to do with being the “chosen people of God” after Christ.
Essentially correct, anyone who rejects Jesus is a servant or child of the devil (slight diff involved), and they should be evangelized like any people. Keep in mind that a Lifeway survey finds there are about a million Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah, out of about 15 million Jews in all, so I usually say Rabbinical Jews to distinguish from Messianic Jews. The only difficulty is that it's uncharitable to relegate any whole to the devil when it is our job to spread the good news winsomely (i.e. not to destroy culture but to work within culture and only destroy what is an obvious sin). Much of what's said about "the Jews" is stated as if it applies to every innocent man, woman, and child, and so that calls for care.
Interestingly, the KJV only uses the phrase "chosen people" once, for a certain select Gentile army.
Correct, you are, and that's not what the Bible does, and it's not what the Messianic Jews (our brothers in Christ) do. The Rabbinical Jews do not have a formal position on Messianic Jews, but the Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that they are halakhically children of Jews even though they do not have full rights (being also Christians). Therefore the proposition that "Jews" automatically means deniers of Christ is not a straightforward use of the word and gets in the way of evangelism.
Further, I've asked for years whether any congregational rabbi or rabbinical organization formally rejects Jesus in plain English, and I've come to find they don't. Rabbinical Judaism does not take a formal position on Jesus because they know what kind of blowback they get when their individual congregants do. I explain to everyone, they're too cagey for that. And that is our opportunity to give them the good news of Jesus the Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures and their own rabbinical sources.
Well we’re talking about the norms of Jewish culture, and not the exceptions. Jewish culture is based around seeing Jesus as a heretic, so they have been the enemies of Christian’s ever since it’s inception.
Yeah, rejecting Christ is different from being a pagan though. Rejecting would be having the religious knowledge of the abrahamic religions already and still choosing to hate Jesus. Most Jews hate Jesus because the Jewish traditions see him as a heretic. While most non-Christians view him favorably like Islamist’ or see him as a good man.
In the first century AD Jewish culture split down two paths, one of which was adopted at large by Gentiles and became called Christianity, and the other of which became rabbinism. But rabbinism was not defined on being the enemy of Christ, but on regrouping after the destruction of the temple. Since all of the first 5,000 Christians and many afterward were Jews, and since many of the first 5,000 were among those who previously called for Jesus's death (Acts 3-4), Jews have not been the enemies of Christians since the inception of the name "Christians"; Christians were just another sect of Jews just like Pharisees. Over a couple centuries, Jewish culture shifted from accepting that there were Christians among the Jews toward trying to avoid the question of why there were Christians at all, and those ethnic, cultural Jews who believed in Jesus became very isolated where they existed at all.
Therefore it seems to me that Jewish culture is based around following Moses and leaving Jesus entirely to the Gentiles, which is why the missionary group Jews For Jesus has, as its motto and goal, making the Messiahship of Jesus an unavoidable issue for Jews worldwide.
Yes, for instance, but that's where we should be careful about charges that someone hates Jesus. Most Jews do not hate the man Jesus, because when someone goes on the record they are usually hating on a false concept that doesn't exist and isn't Jesus. For instance, they're hating a name by which they were wrongly persecuted.
Not actually true, I've asked for Jewish tenets on this and they aren't forthcoming. Yes, there are a couple folk-religious documents that view Jesus as a heretic that are not endorsed by any rabbi as Judaism, but Jewish traditions as defined by rabbis are essentially about remaining silent about Jesus's status. There's a new wave among some rabbis who want to reclaim Jesus for Judaism as a good Torah-observant Jew so that other Jews will want to be as Torah-observant as Jesus was. But when individuals speak against Jesus, the rabbis distance themselves from that position officially. I'm open to alternative evidence of course.
TLDR: I see no evidence that Jewish culture is based around seeing Jesus as a heretic, that Jews have been the enemies of Christians ever since the inception of the name Christians, that Jews at large choose to hate Jesus, or that Jewish traditions see Jesus as a heretic.