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Well we’re talking about the norms of Jewish culture, and not the exceptions. Jewish culture is based around seeing Jesus as a heretic, so they have been the enemies of Christian’s ever since it’s inception.
Yeah, rejecting Christ is different from being a pagan though. Rejecting would be having the religious knowledge of the abrahamic religions already and still choosing to hate Jesus. Most Jews hate Jesus because the Jewish traditions see him as a heretic. While most non-Christians view him favorably like Islamist’ or see him as a good man.
In the first century AD Jewish culture split down two paths, one of which was adopted at large by Gentiles and became called Christianity, and the other of which became rabbinism. But rabbinism was not defined on being the enemy of Christ, but on regrouping after the destruction of the temple. Since all of the first 5,000 Christians and many afterward were Jews, and since many of the first 5,000 were among those who previously called for Jesus's death (Acts 3-4), Jews have not been the enemies of Christians since the inception of the name "Christians"; Christians were just another sect of Jews just like Pharisees. Over a couple centuries, Jewish culture shifted from accepting that there were Christians among the Jews toward trying to avoid the question of why there were Christians at all, and those ethnic, cultural Jews who believed in Jesus became very isolated where they existed at all.
Therefore it seems to me that Jewish culture is based around following Moses and leaving Jesus entirely to the Gentiles, which is why the missionary group Jews For Jesus has, as its motto and goal, making the Messiahship of Jesus an unavoidable issue for Jews worldwide.
Yes, for instance, but that's where we should be careful about charges that someone hates Jesus. Most Jews do not hate the man Jesus, because when someone goes on the record they are usually hating on a false concept that doesn't exist and isn't Jesus. For instance, they're hating a name by which they were wrongly persecuted.
Not actually true, I've asked for Jewish tenets on this and they aren't forthcoming. Yes, there are a couple folk-religious documents that view Jesus as a heretic that are not endorsed by any rabbi as Judaism, but Jewish traditions as defined by rabbis are essentially about remaining silent about Jesus's status. There's a new wave among some rabbis who want to reclaim Jesus for Judaism as a good Torah-observant Jew so that other Jews will want to be as Torah-observant as Jesus was. But when individuals speak against Jesus, the rabbis distance themselves from that position officially. I'm open to alternative evidence of course.
TLDR: I see no evidence that Jewish culture is based around seeing Jesus as a heretic, that Jews have been the enemies of Christians ever since the inception of the name Christians, that Jews at large choose to hate Jesus, or that Jewish traditions see Jesus as a heretic.
This is where we can differ. I can point to everything the Jews have done throughout history, from crucifying Jesus to getting kicked out of 100+ countries to label the Jewish traditions as “rejecting Jesus” and making them “children of the devil”.
Immigration policies about Jews should be the same as the ones for 3rd world migrants. They shouldn’t be allowed in 1st world countries if they promote degeneracy, steal money from it for themselves, and kill its people. There are good Jews, just like migrants. But the good ones don’t out-way the actions of the bad ones.
Jews didn't crucify Jesus. Jews weren't kicked out of 100 countries (#11 on list), the source only gives 12 countries. If cherry-picking allows us to say Jewish traditions reject Jesus, cherry-picking allows our enemies to say American traditions reject Jesus (but America's Constitution says Jesus is Lord, in the date clause). If we can distinguish whole people-groups, including literal children, as devilish based on the crimes of a few, we are condemning the innocent with the guilty, which God forbids from Genesis on.
If you admit there are well-behaved Jews (no one is "good" but God), then we don't get to call Jews children of the devil collectively, that's judging the innocent with the guilty. Something to think about.
You said you counted duplicates and got to 89 countries. Even if christians/muslims have been kicked out of that many countries, you're comparing a small minority to major religions that sought converts. Jews got kicked out because of there dangerous nature, not because they sought converts.
You're right. judging entire groups of people seems very unchristian. I wish we could all live in harmony together, but jews/immigrants do cause society to be significantly worse when they immigrate to 1st world countries. it really is a moral dillema, we have immigration policies for a reason, but they are inherently racist.
Idk, it really is a moral dilemma that only Jesus would be able to solve. I'm just tired of all these never-ending discussions of politics and honestly life in general. What's the point of even living, i've already gotten my heart broken and we're in a evil/flawed world and are going to die anyway.