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What part I edited that changed the meaning? Care to quote it here? As if people can't check and see it themselves that you're lying, you dirty jesuit?
I know you won't provide it so here:
Btw, as per Nostra Aetate and Lumen Gentium your Church forbids proselytizing jews because it doesn't classify Judaism as a false religion and holds that they have a functioning covenant with God. Nostra Aetate was written by a gay jesuit jew. If you're Catholic you have to submit to that teaching. Trad caths SSPX types are schismatic protestants basically. Face it, your Church has defected and this is the proof it's not the true Church which will last until the end of times.
Jumping in, I don't read those that way. As a covenantalist, I agree the Jews have a national covenant with God while believers in Christ are the only heirs of the spiritual covenant with God (which Jews can have on the same terms as anyone else by belief in Christ). The Catholics under Cardinal Pizzaballa are still running the St. James Vicariate out of the LPJ, which evangelizes Jews toward Messianism (Christianity within Hebrew culture), and I understand they simply have a semantic quibble that evangelization is not proselytization. However, I also suggest that Protestants have succeeded the most at this particular segment of the Great Commission, having done the most to understand the culture and treat it as pre-Messianic rather than post-Christian.
The covenantal system allows both Catholics and Protestants to be members of the one body of Christ with unique places, beside the Orthodox, and allows Jews to become members as well without losing any Jewish culture (except for those folk Jewish practices that are so easily read as idolatry that Messianics drop them readily).
I don't know who you mean as a gay Jewish drafter of Nostra Aetate, perhaps you're merely metaphorically referring to Jesuit Augustin Bea.
I mean Fr. Gregory Baum and I'm absolutely literal.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-ex-priest-who-pushed-canadian-bishops-to-reject-contraception-teaching/
RCC is full of gays and pdfs running sex trafficking operations so no surprise there.
And I publicly deny the Nostra Aetate as sacrilegious for absolving jews for the killing of our Lord like everyone used to do before the Vatican II. If you really were a Protestant you'd have no qualms with that which leads me to believe you're another evangelical scum or worse a shape shifter like SwampRangers.
Ironically you edited this post too so I don't know what was your original intent. In cases such as this the burden of proof falls on you as you destroyed evidence thus indicating that you want to hide wrongdoings.
I said it before and I'll repeat it again to the befit of your thick skull. There's no point in debating with yet another dishonest jew. Though the more you kind do it, more people become aware of your tricks. So feel free to keep attacking me.
Congratulations - you're a schismatic protestant. Catholics are in no position to criticize the infallible teachings of the ordinary and extraordinary magisterium. By rejecting Vatican II, you're contradicting Vatican I also which places you outside of the Church. Do I have to quote the document for you?
Do you even read my replies? I've said multiple times I'm Eastern Orthodox. Do you even know what this is? You can look up my comment history and see me arguing with SwampRangers over his evangelical positions.
Dude, aren't you aware edits are visible here (by clicking on the eraser)?
You shouldn't have any problems with it though because the Vatican condemns antisemitism and believes jews have covenantal relationship with God :clown:
"protestant" doesn't mean any schismatic, only those who join Melanchthon, or else you'd be a "protestant" for protesting the 11th-century bishop of Rome.
I think you can only click on your own eraser. If you successfully click on someone else's eraser, please show us the URL you used so we can enjoy the same privilege, thanks.
"everyone who disagrees is protestant!!" - Overly organized people whose worldview over complicates the truth
Of course everyone can view the edits you've made. Why do you play dumb when you can verify this by clicking on the eraser on my comments?
No retardstein, Catholics don't owe complete obedience to the Pope. We do only on religious matters where we believe he to be infallible. Regarding zionism and the jewish question the Pope is respectfully wrong because one is a political matter while the other is a justice matter. The Vatican II murked the waters on purpose under jewish influence.
Regarding your replies I read it in passing as I consider everything to be hogwash as you made clear in the conclusion of your previous reply.
Now cope and seethe more foreskinstein.
I love it when Catholics are not aware of their own religion. Here's Vatican I:
No, according to Vatican I you have to submit to **all faith and moral ** doctrinal teachings with humility. Besides, how is the covenantal relation of jews to God, or of Muslims and Hindus worshipping the same God as Christians (ecumenism) not a religious teaching? Trad Cath cope is hilarious. I know your system and documents better than you do because I did my research before deciding what the true Church is.
It's also in the canons. Canon 720 states that anyone who doesn't submit to teachings taught by a solemn judgment (like papal definition) or by the ordinary and universal magisterium is a heretic. You're a heretic according to the definitions of your own Church, dude. According to Canon 752, even non-infalliable papal teachings require religious submission of intellect and will (Nostra Aetate is an infallible doctrinal teaching though - every single f-ing word in it).
Nostra Aetate, which you're bound to if you call yourself a Catholic:
And 1985 Vatican document “Notes on the Correct Way to Present the Jews and Judaism in Preaching and Catechesis”
And, as has been pointed out since the 19th century, the Pope never infallibly declared infallibility, even today, so we don't owe the Pope obedience on anything. Catholics disagree how many times the Pope has invoked infallibility, ranging from one to hundreds, so my view of zero is right there in the mix. The fact is that Simon says certain statements are theoretically infallible, but Simon didn't say which statements are infallible, and you have the original game of Simon Says so you ought to know how to play.
(Scored used to make the evidence trail clear for self-edits, but it's now obscured, which is why I recommend making self-edits very clear in the text and markup.)
I trust you understand that Orthodox never joined Melanchthon's Protest and that they were Catholic for a full millennium until a schism that Rome apologized for in 1965.
The statement of Nostra Aetate is the commonsense "What happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today." Well, that's basic rejection of collectivism, which I've been explaining here for 5 years without reference to that model. I also added that those who did call for his death were the same group of whom about 2,000 immediately repented in Acts 3-4, so that really breaks up the curse. However, since I do believe there are many national blessings and cursings in the Bible on many nations, it's appropriate to speak of there being a particular national curse invoked by the Jews just as they also partake of certain national blessings; this does not permit prejudicing any individual (such as with the language "you kind"), it merely speaks of demographic likelihoods. You and u/SmithW1984 are using words like "jew" and "jesuit" to mean "person who disagrees with me". I do not think it means what you think it means.
You are free to try to lay out evidence of my shape shifting and what I should do differently in my sole witness for Jesus alone.
This is a red herring. The sin of the Jews was never that they collectively killed Christ, it's that they, definitionally, reject Christ's sacrifice and so turn from God. They are forsaken, every single self-professed Jew, because of belief, not action. They were the first to hear the Good Word and they deliberately turned their back on it, and have continued to do so for thousands of years.
First, you mean rabbinical Jews, because a Lifeway survey estimated there are a million Messianic (Christian) Jews.
Second, I ask people for proof that some congregational rabbi or rabbinical organization teaches, as a tenet of Judaism, that Jesus's sacrifice is rejected. They don't actually do it because they're too scared, they leave the rejection to folk religion and to antimissionaries but they don't make it a tenet of rabbinical Judaism because they know what would happen if they did. So I decline the statement that rabbinical Judaism definitionally rejects Jesus Christ's sacrifice, and ask for proof. In fact, rabbinical Judaism teaches that it's a valid view that the Christ must suffer and that this suffering is somehow redemptive for his people; but they refuse to apply that the way Christianity does, and so they do not get the spiritual benefit of salvation from it.
Extract your top end from your gluteus max