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Why are people so worked up about 3I/ATLAS? Has anyone looked at the trajectory
posted 83 days ago by iloveturtles 83 days ago by iloveturtles +9 / -0

Comet 3I/ATLAS is not expected to get very close to Earth; the closest it will come is approximately 1.8 astronomical units (about 170 million miles or 270 million kilometers)

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– TallestSkil 0 points 81 days ago +2 / -2

I'm a little closer to finding your "replacement" theology in the Bible after looking all over for it.

Yes, you’ve never read the Bible. You’ve admitted that dozens of times.

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Supersessionism is the foundation of Christianity. It is itself Christianity. Nothing exists outside of it and never has. Your subhuman dispensationalist heresy—funded by zionists at the start of the 20th century—spits in the face of millennia of written proof of Christian doctrine.

Eat shit, you fucking kike heretic.

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– SwampRangers 2 points 81 days ago +2 / -0

Funny how the Bible never uses the words "supersede", "supersession", but a theory that tends to exclude one race of humans from Christian salvation begins to use those words in the last couple hundred years.

Funny how you call me dispensationalist when I reject dispensationalism as usually taught. (Paul did use a word translated "dispensation" for the present age and for the age to come, but that's not dispensationalism it's covenantalism.) You seem to think that because I believe in one covenant I must believe in dispensationalism. No, I believe in what R. C. Sproul called Christian salvation by works, namely, he says, by the works of someone other than me. I grew up with covenant of works and covenant of grace like the back of my hand, and then I realized they were the same thing.

The reason the old covenant is fading is described in Jer. 31:31-34, namely that people broke it. The reason the new covenant lasts is that one man kept it perfectly and shares that obedience with all who will receive it whether they came before or after him. This is not about one superseding another, because they are the same covenant made with different parties, those in Adam, and those in Christ.

Like I said, I agree that in that one covenant olive tree there are many Gentiles "replacing" many Jews. But the tree itself is not replaced, and that's what you seem to mean by "supersession", so as long as people get can that idea from you I simply throw Romans 11 backatcha.

But since you appear incapable of defining supersession or of expositing Scripture, I don't think this off-topic convo will go far.

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– TallestSkil 3 points 80 days ago +3 / -0

Funny how the Bible never uses the words "supersede", "supersession"

Funny how repeating the same copied and pasted talking points doesn’t matter when you were already disproven by the Bible itself.

but a theory that tends to exclude one race of humans from Christian salvation begins to use those words in the last couple hundred years.

Ever heard of a retronym, subhuman paid jewish shill? No one needed to say “snail mail” until e-mail was created. No one needed to say “supersessionism” until dispensationalism was created. Before your heresy appeared, Christianity was just Christianity.

Nice softball, though. Give me something actually difficult next time.

Funny how you call me dispensationalist when I reject dispensationalism as usually taught.

Literally worshipping it right here and now. Incapable of hiding it. Your account would be banned if you denied it.

You seem to think that because I believe in one covenant I must believe in dispensationalism.

Yep, you believe in proven and admitted heresy that Christ Himself denounces. Thanks for playing. You’re unfit to run your boards.

by the works of someone other than me.

So you’re a supersessionist, got it. Thanks for admitting it.

namely that people broke it.

Neat, so it’s not in effect anymore because the contract was over and done with and Christ created a new one. Thanks for playing.

The reason the new covenant lasts

Thanks for admitting there is a new covenant and that supersessionism is Christian doctrine.

This is not about one superseding another

Bible says otherwise. Thanks for playing.

because they are the same covenant

Nope, different terms. You’ve never read the Bible.

But the tree itself is not replaced, and that's what you seem to mean by "supersession"

No one gives a shit about your strawmen. None of what I have said is my opinion.

I simply throw Romans 11 backatcha.

Thanks for continuing to use the Bible to disprove your claims.

But since you appear incapable of defining supersession

Zero effort. -15/10; would not be trolled by again.

or of expositing Scripture

Posted it directly. Go suck off jews on another website.

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– SwampRangers 2 points 80 days ago +2 / -0

a theory that tends to exclude one race of humans from Christian salvation ....

Before your heresy appeared, Christianity was just Christianity.

I'm not a dispensationalist, my covenant also claims to go all the way back as your "supersession" does. Yet Christianity was never about excluding any race (so exclusion would be something new to it). This is proven by the fact that it was founded by a dozen Jews. In Acts 21:20 there were literal myriads of Torah-observant Jews who believed in Jesus in Jerusalem alone.

So you’re a supersessionist, got it.

If you're saying that my admission that I'm saved by Jesus's works means that I supersede someone, that's the point that I've never followed and that I've asked you about. There was never any salvation except by Jesus's works. Those who were born into the covenant but didn't trust in the works of a Messiah seed of a woman were cutting themselves off from the covenant no matter what era it was. If that were your definition of supersession it'd be fine because (1) it's not literally supersession and (2) it agrees there was only one covenant all along and the new covenant is the unfolding of the old. But the issue is that you've acted as if you have this idea that supersession means racism, as you did in the prior comment above.

the contract was over and done with and Christ created a new one

The contract with Israel was "who does these things will live by them". Not all Israel broke it according to Jeremiah, only the fathers broke it. Christ kept the same covenant. The newness is a formerly-hidden provision of the old whereby he shares his eternal life as a kinsman-redeemer, which he can do with all who trust him from Adam's era to the present and future. So the old contract (covenant of works between God and all men) was not done with because it is the foundation of the new covenant (covenant of grace between Christ and his brothers). There's no supplanting there.

This is not about one superseding another

Bible says otherwise.

Not the text. Do you mean "he has made it old"? Was Sproul wrong that we are saved by Christ's obedience to the old covenant and so it's still applicable throughout the present era?

or of expositing Scripture

Posted it directly.

Think about what "exposit" means, fren, when you talk about low effort. If you don't define and defend your position, well of course it's easy to snipe everyone else and then never take criticism for a position because you can keep morphing it behind the scenes. That's so 20th-century Usenet.

I agree that it's new that Christ makes a covenant between one man and many men, and because he's divine we could call this a new covenant between God and many men. But the old covenant stands, even in its fading glory, and the new covenant is just the kinsman-redeemer provision of the old. I asked you what supersedes what so as to take its place and you didn't answer. I suggested that maybe you meant that one tree took the place of another and you said strawman. I gave you the option of saying that some branches took the place of others but you didn't say that even though it would be natural. So, yeah, you don't define and defend, as a general rule; and you act like you're paid to malign those who do.

(But let's see if we can think of a different motive. Maybe there's still some spark in you that believes that a race exists that not only has the power to push back the tide against it but also has enough willpower that it'll get done by the grace of God. Maybe you fight so hard against dispie strawmen because you are belying your own words about there being nobody who will fight, and maybe the fight is your quest. Well then, wouldn't it be natural to conclude that as long as you're fighting for your cause then there remains hope? I always say that, as long as I'm alive, the US Constitution remains alive in me no matter what the rest of the world thinks. It would be silly if your cause were the Cassandra option of being insistent that nobody will ever successfully carry your cause after you; that's a bit nihilist.)

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– TallestSkil 3 points 80 days ago +3 / -0

I’m not [the thing I axiomatically have to be since I denounce everything else]

Sure thing.

Yet Christianity was never about excluding any race

Cool, so you can’t read.

Those who were born into the covenant

The old one, which has been fulfilled and is no longer law. To clarify.

were cutting themselves off from the covenant

The new one. Which is explicitly Christian law, defining Christianity as distinct from all other beliefs. To clarify.

it's not literally supersession

“The thing that supersedes isn’t supersession!” ~ the mentally ill

it agrees there was only one covenant all along and the new covenant is the unfolding of the old.

new

old

Cool, so there were two covenants, just as the Bible itself says. Got it.

But the issue is that you've acted as if you have this idea that supersession means racism

Strawman. You won’t be able to redirect the conversation.

Christ kept the same covenant.

The one He explicitly held fulfilled and thereafter created a new one; got it, yeah.

a formerly-hidden provision

So hidden that it’s explicitly stated in the Bible as being new.

So the old contract (covenant of works between God and all men) was not done with

Except Jesus said otherwise, so you’re not even pretending to cover up your lies anymore.

There's no supplanting there.

Just removal and replacement with a new one; that’s a totally different concept!

Not the text.

Already posted the text.

Think about what "exposit” means

Think about what

I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT

and

NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT MADE BY THEIR FATHERS

mean, heretic.

If you don't define and defend your position

“The Bible says so.” ~ my position

You have nothing.

it's easy to snipe everyone else and then never take criticism for a position because you can keep morphing it behind the scenes.

[muffled hand rubbing in the distance]

That's so 20th-century Usenet.

20th century jewsnet, you mean.

I agree that it's new that Christ makes a covenant between one man and many men

Cool, so there’s a new covenant. Thanks for continuing to publicly humiliate yourself.

But the old covenant stands

Not according to Christ, who has damned you to hell for eternity.

I asked you what supersedes

The Bible explains.

I gave you the option

You have no power over me. You’re not the arbiter of truth or the moderator of reality. You gave no options. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions. You directly contradict the contents of the Bible. You’re irrelevant.

So, yeah, you don't define and defend

Directly cited and sourced everything I said.

But let's see if we can think of a different motive.

Keeping people from falling for your jewish lies.

dispie strawmen

“Directly quoting dispensationalist beliefs is a strawman!” ~ the mentally ill

I always say that, as long as I'm alive, the US Constitution remains alive in me

You would willingly burn every copy of the Constitution and erase its words from everyone’s mind if given the chance. That’s neither here nor there. Your attempts at redirection aren’t working.

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