This is wrong translation, with important meanings replaced.
Original text tells about etnic Jews who pretend to be Judaists as religion, not some other people who pretent to be Jews as etnicity.
ιδου δεδωκα εκ τηϲ ϲυναγωγηϲ του ϲατανα των λεγοντω̅ εαυτουϲ ιουδαιουϲ ειναι και ουκ ειϲιν αλλα ψευδονται ιδου ποιηϲω αυτουϲ ινα ηξουϲιν και προϲκυνηϲουϲι̅ ενωπιον των ποδων ϲου και γνωϲη οτι εγω ηγαπηϲα ϲε
Jews who supposed to be "ιουδαιουϲ" (Ioudaious) according to agreement with God, turned back to praising and following their "ϲατανα" (Satana) instead of God.
It is exact same Jews of Old Testament who become synagogue of Satan, instead of staying Judaists and following God's commandments.
"Jew" as etnicity in Greek will be "Εβραίος" (Ebraios).
I don't understand. If ethnic Jew is "Ebraios", and that doesn't appear in the passage, why do you assume they are ethnic Jews? Did you see my link showing that the letter of Ignatius to Philadelphia gives all the context necessary for the local definition of the term as certain Gentiles? Obviously there are other prophetic definitions, but they involve adding to the text.
"Ioudaious" would be Judeans, not Judaists, so Judaists defined as commandment-followers is also not in focus there.
It also doesn't mean what Paul means by "Jew in spirit", because those are not binding themselves to follow the commandments.
It refers to people, in two cities only and not in the others Jesus wrote to, who say they are "Ioudaious" and are not so. I don't see how you're getting the meaning out of it that you do.
Only etnic Jews made a deal with God and so was obliged to be Judaists who they wasn't. No other etnicity had this obligation.
"Ioudaious" would be Judeans, not Judaists
No. "Judeans" as "inhabitants of place named Judea" just have no any sense in this context.
I don't see how you're getting the meaning out of it that you do.
Just read original text as it is, without any replacements.
This insane attempts of last years to whitewash fucking Jews, all that "its Khazars, not real Jews", "Israelis are not real Jews", "Nuland,Rotshild,Pritzker,etc are not real Jews", "all that Jewish bastards are not real Jews" is just stupid. Jews are Jews - the exact same tribe that God tried to save from Satan worshipping for millenia without any result. Just read Old Testament - it is a good history of Jewish crimes against humanity. Even during the most imortant for all Jewish history and unique event when Moses had negotiations with God, Jews was busy with what? Buiding their Golden Calf idol.
Fuck this. Jews are the synagogue of Satan. Ethnic implementation of Devil's servants on Earth. If they want to change this, they could try start from sincere and tribe-wide repentance for all their crimes against humanity starting from genocides and usury, including killing Jesus and renunciation of their "choosen" status. But I'm in serious doubt anybody will ever believe them. This train departed long ago. And they will be inevitably defeated as stated in Revelations.
they could try start from sincere and tribe-wide repentance for all their crimes against humanity starting from genocides and usury, including killing Jesus and renunciation of their "choosen" status
Great approach! Very much Romans 11. Notice, in Acts 3-4 the very same crowd that called for Jesus's death did repent and become many of the first 5,000 Christians; but most of the rest of the ethnic Jews at large still need to do the same, just as Gentiles do. So evangelists to Jews exist, and will not give up.
So I agree that it's silly to say "Jews are not Jews". But then I note that Jesus honors the Hebrew Scriptures and agrees they are a testimony of the many faithful covenant people over the millennia, which includes many of the Jews (which Paul says were enlightened ahead of the Gentiles for a time). So despite the many infiltrations, our covenant runs right through Israel before it gets to all the nations. It seems that God was saving some humans out of the Jews over all that time. Plus, since this synagogue will bow at the Christians' feet (as some actually did in Philadelphia), it doesn't seem like they will be all destroyed.
So, while they need this salvation, that's not what Rev. 3:9 is talking about. "των λεγοντω̅ εαυτουϲ ιουδαιουϲ ειναι και ουκ ειϲιν αλλα ψευδονται". Plaintext: They're not Ioudaious, it's a lie for them or anyone to say they are. The implication is that Jesus says true Ioudaious is a good thing. So it gets back to a conclusion I've stated before: either today's self-identified Jews are not true Jews and ought to be, or they are true Jews and are not the subject of the passage. That is, if self-identified Jews are the synagogue of satan then they're not true Ioudaious but they ought to be. We can't take Jesus's words, the synagogue of satan is not Ioudaious, and then make them mean the synagogue of satan is Ioudaious.
I'm going long because I never see the logic. It always seems like this: someone interprets from observation that those who say they are Jews are almost always evil; that one sees Jesus warning of a synagogue of satan that says they are Jews; these two logically connect. But then it should logically follow that they're not Jews (which is why people argue for Khazaria and Edom). But when one allows those saying they're Jews to actually be Jews by virtue of their self-determination and all polity, one creates the logic disconnect because Jesus's words (not Jews) don't apply anymore. So I can only conclude such a one is crossing two contradictory streams of logic that always result in contradiction.
Scriptures and agrees they are a testimony of the many faithful covenant people over the millennia, which includes many of the Jews (which Paul says were enlightened ahead of the Gentiles for a time).
And even with that huge advantage (at the time), Jews don't become honest and nice tribe. And they didn't go that path consciously. Even lasy Greeks with all their old pagan shit was able to become leading Christian nation at some moment.
So despite the many infiltrations, our covenant runs right through Israel before it gets to all the nations.
It exactly "runs through" Israel, leaving no single drop in it, like water through PTFE tube.
Who knows, may be Jews was a God's test if He really give humans free will. If even God can't convince some tribe to behave one way or another, then they really have free will. The problem is that we now have to deal with the consequences of this God's experiment. And it is up to us completely.
The implication is that Jesus says true Ioudaious is a good thing.
Fulfilling promises is a good thing. Jews had to eternally obey commandments (be Judaists) in exchange for their salvation, but they didn't. They broke the deal and betrayed God. That was a bad thing. Following terms of deal, doing what you promised to do is a good thing.
Only etnic Jews made a deal with God and so was obliged to be Judaists who they wasn't. No other etnicity had this obligation.
That was the OT. Christ's testament is with all people who follow Him.
Christianity is the fulfilment and the continuation of the OT worship practices and commandments. Anyone who has red the OT knows very well that while thew were God's chosen people they often disobeyed Him and got punished for it. What is described in the OT, the commandments, the tabernacle, the temple, etc is in effect proto-Christianity and not judaism.
Judaism as we know it today (rabbinic talmudism) is an aberration and a heresy of the religion described in the OT. This is exactly why Jesus argued against the pharisees and the sadducees and their oral tradition which twisted the meaning of the Torah. They were the true ancestors to the talmudic judaism we know today (which is a heresy and NOT a continuation of the religion of the OT). That's why they are of the Synagoge of Satan, because they don't worship the one true God, who is only worshipped through Christ and the Trinity.
This is the context of Rev. 3:9 - without this in mind, there is no way to correctly interpret what is meant by it.
This is wrong translation, with important meanings replaced.
Original text tells about etnic Jews who pretend to be Judaists as religion, not some other people who pretent to be Jews as etnicity.
Jews who supposed to be "ιουδαιουϲ" (Ioudaious) according to agreement with God, turned back to praising and following their "ϲατανα" (Satana) instead of God.
It is exact same Jews of Old Testament who become synagogue of Satan, instead of staying Judaists and following God's commandments.
"Jew" as etnicity in Greek will be "Εβραίος" (Ebraios).
I don't understand. If ethnic Jew is "Ebraios", and that doesn't appear in the passage, why do you assume they are ethnic Jews? Did you see my link showing that the letter of Ignatius to Philadelphia gives all the context necessary for the local definition of the term as certain Gentiles? Obviously there are other prophetic definitions, but they involve adding to the text.
"Ioudaious" would be Judeans, not Judaists, so Judaists defined as commandment-followers is also not in focus there.
It also doesn't mean what Paul means by "Jew in spirit", because those are not binding themselves to follow the commandments.
It refers to people, in two cities only and not in the others Jesus wrote to, who say they are "Ioudaious" and are not so. I don't see how you're getting the meaning out of it that you do.
Only etnic Jews made a deal with God and so was obliged to be Judaists who they wasn't. No other etnicity had this obligation.
No. "Judeans" as "inhabitants of place named Judea" just have no any sense in this context.
Just read original text as it is, without any replacements.
This insane attempts of last years to whitewash fucking Jews, all that "its Khazars, not real Jews", "Israelis are not real Jews", "Nuland,Rotshild,Pritzker,etc are not real Jews", "all that Jewish bastards are not real Jews" is just stupid. Jews are Jews - the exact same tribe that God tried to save from Satan worshipping for millenia without any result. Just read Old Testament - it is a good history of Jewish crimes against humanity. Even during the most imortant for all Jewish history and unique event when Moses had negotiations with God, Jews was busy with what? Buiding their Golden Calf idol.
Fuck this. Jews are the synagogue of Satan. Ethnic implementation of Devil's servants on Earth. If they want to change this, they could try start from sincere and tribe-wide repentance for all their crimes against humanity starting from genocides and usury, including killing Jesus and renunciation of their "choosen" status. But I'm in serious doubt anybody will ever believe them. This train departed long ago. And they will be inevitably defeated as stated in Revelations.
Great approach! Very much Romans 11. Notice, in Acts 3-4 the very same crowd that called for Jesus's death did repent and become many of the first 5,000 Christians; but most of the rest of the ethnic Jews at large still need to do the same, just as Gentiles do. So evangelists to Jews exist, and will not give up.
So I agree that it's silly to say "Jews are not Jews". But then I note that Jesus honors the Hebrew Scriptures and agrees they are a testimony of the many faithful covenant people over the millennia, which includes many of the Jews (which Paul says were enlightened ahead of the Gentiles for a time). So despite the many infiltrations, our covenant runs right through Israel before it gets to all the nations. It seems that God was saving some humans out of the Jews over all that time. Plus, since this synagogue will bow at the Christians' feet (as some actually did in Philadelphia), it doesn't seem like they will be all destroyed.
So, while they need this salvation, that's not what Rev. 3:9 is talking about. "των λεγοντω̅ εαυτουϲ ιουδαιουϲ ειναι και ουκ ειϲιν αλλα ψευδονται". Plaintext: They're not Ioudaious, it's a lie for them or anyone to say they are. The implication is that Jesus says true Ioudaious is a good thing. So it gets back to a conclusion I've stated before: either today's self-identified Jews are not true Jews and ought to be, or they are true Jews and are not the subject of the passage. That is, if self-identified Jews are the synagogue of satan then they're not true Ioudaious but they ought to be. We can't take Jesus's words, the synagogue of satan is not Ioudaious, and then make them mean the synagogue of satan is Ioudaious.
I'm going long because I never see the logic. It always seems like this: someone interprets from observation that those who say they are Jews are almost always evil; that one sees Jesus warning of a synagogue of satan that says they are Jews; these two logically connect. But then it should logically follow that they're not Jews (which is why people argue for Khazaria and Edom). But when one allows those saying they're Jews to actually be Jews by virtue of their self-determination and all polity, one creates the logic disconnect because Jesus's words (not Jews) don't apply anymore. So I can only conclude such a one is crossing two contradictory streams of logic that always result in contradiction.
And even with that huge advantage (at the time), Jews don't become honest and nice tribe. And they didn't go that path consciously. Even lasy Greeks with all their old pagan shit was able to become leading Christian nation at some moment.
It exactly "runs through" Israel, leaving no single drop in it, like water through PTFE tube.
Who knows, may be Jews was a God's test if He really give humans free will. If even God can't convince some tribe to behave one way or another, then they really have free will. The problem is that we now have to deal with the consequences of this God's experiment. And it is up to us completely.
Fulfilling promises is a good thing. Jews had to eternally obey commandments (be Judaists) in exchange for their salvation, but they didn't. They broke the deal and betrayed God. That was a bad thing. Following terms of deal, doing what you promised to do is a good thing.
That was the OT. Christ's testament is with all people who follow Him.
Christianity is the fulfilment and the continuation of the OT worship practices and commandments. Anyone who has red the OT knows very well that while thew were God's chosen people they often disobeyed Him and got punished for it. What is described in the OT, the commandments, the tabernacle, the temple, etc is in effect proto-Christianity and not judaism.
Judaism as we know it today (rabbinic talmudism) is an aberration and a heresy of the religion described in the OT. This is exactly why Jesus argued against the pharisees and the sadducees and their oral tradition which twisted the meaning of the Torah. They were the true ancestors to the talmudic judaism we know today (which is a heresy and NOT a continuation of the religion of the OT). That's why they are of the Synagoge of Satan, because they don't worship the one true God, who is only worshipped through Christ and the Trinity.
This is the context of Rev. 3:9 - without this in mind, there is no way to correctly interpret what is meant by it.