they could try start from sincere and tribe-wide repentance for all their crimes against humanity starting from genocides and usury, including killing Jesus and renunciation of their "choosen" status
Great approach! Very much Romans 11. Notice, in Acts 3-4 the very same crowd that called for Jesus's death did repent and become many of the first 5,000 Christians; but most of the rest of the ethnic Jews at large still need to do the same, just as Gentiles do. So evangelists to Jews exist, and will not give up.
So I agree that it's silly to say "Jews are not Jews". But then I note that Jesus honors the Hebrew Scriptures and agrees they are a testimony of the many faithful covenant people over the millennia, which includes many of the Jews (which Paul says were enlightened ahead of the Gentiles for a time). So despite the many infiltrations, our covenant runs right through Israel before it gets to all the nations. It seems that God was saving some humans out of the Jews over all that time. Plus, since this synagogue will bow at the Christians' feet (as some actually did in Philadelphia), it doesn't seem like they will be all destroyed.
So, while they need this salvation, that's not what Rev. 3:9 is talking about. "των λεγοντω̅ εαυτουϲ ιουδαιουϲ ειναι και ουκ ειϲιν αλλα ψευδονται". Plaintext: They're not Ioudaious, it's a lie for them or anyone to say they are. The implication is that Jesus says true Ioudaious is a good thing. So it gets back to a conclusion I've stated before: either today's self-identified Jews are not true Jews and ought to be, or they are true Jews and are not the subject of the passage. That is, if self-identified Jews are the synagogue of satan then they're not true Ioudaious but they ought to be. We can't take Jesus's words, the synagogue of satan is not Ioudaious, and then make them mean the synagogue of satan is Ioudaious.
I'm going long because I never see the logic. It always seems like this: someone interprets from observation that those who say they are Jews are almost always evil; that one sees Jesus warning of a synagogue of satan that says they are Jews; these two logically connect. But then it should logically follow that they're not Jews (which is why people argue for Khazaria and Edom). But when one allows those saying they're Jews to actually be Jews by virtue of their self-determination and all polity, one creates the logic disconnect because Jesus's words (not Jews) don't apply anymore. So I can only conclude such a one is crossing two contradictory streams of logic that always result in contradiction.
Scriptures and agrees they are a testimony of the many faithful covenant people over the millennia, which includes many of the Jews (which Paul says were enlightened ahead of the Gentiles for a time).
And even with that huge advantage (at the time), Jews don't become honest and nice tribe. And they didn't go that path consciously. Even lasy Greeks with all their old pagan shit was able to become leading Christian nation at some moment.
So despite the many infiltrations, our covenant runs right through Israel before it gets to all the nations.
It exactly "runs through" Israel, leaving no single drop in it, like water through PTFE tube.
Who knows, may be Jews was a God's test if He really give humans free will. If even God can't convince some tribe to behave one way or another, then they really have free will. The problem is that we now have to deal with the consequences of this God's experiment. And it is up to us completely.
The implication is that Jesus says true Ioudaious is a good thing.
Fulfilling promises is a good thing. Jews had to eternally obey commandments (be Judaists) in exchange for their salvation, but they didn't. They broke the deal and betrayed God. That was a bad thing. Following terms of deal, doing what you promised to do is a good thing.
Great approach! Very much Romans 11. Notice, in Acts 3-4 the very same crowd that called for Jesus's death did repent and become many of the first 5,000 Christians; but most of the rest of the ethnic Jews at large still need to do the same, just as Gentiles do. So evangelists to Jews exist, and will not give up.
So I agree that it's silly to say "Jews are not Jews". But then I note that Jesus honors the Hebrew Scriptures and agrees they are a testimony of the many faithful covenant people over the millennia, which includes many of the Jews (which Paul says were enlightened ahead of the Gentiles for a time). So despite the many infiltrations, our covenant runs right through Israel before it gets to all the nations. It seems that God was saving some humans out of the Jews over all that time. Plus, since this synagogue will bow at the Christians' feet (as some actually did in Philadelphia), it doesn't seem like they will be all destroyed.
So, while they need this salvation, that's not what Rev. 3:9 is talking about. "των λεγοντω̅ εαυτουϲ ιουδαιουϲ ειναι και ουκ ειϲιν αλλα ψευδονται". Plaintext: They're not Ioudaious, it's a lie for them or anyone to say they are. The implication is that Jesus says true Ioudaious is a good thing. So it gets back to a conclusion I've stated before: either today's self-identified Jews are not true Jews and ought to be, or they are true Jews and are not the subject of the passage. That is, if self-identified Jews are the synagogue of satan then they're not true Ioudaious but they ought to be. We can't take Jesus's words, the synagogue of satan is not Ioudaious, and then make them mean the synagogue of satan is Ioudaious.
I'm going long because I never see the logic. It always seems like this: someone interprets from observation that those who say they are Jews are almost always evil; that one sees Jesus warning of a synagogue of satan that says they are Jews; these two logically connect. But then it should logically follow that they're not Jews (which is why people argue for Khazaria and Edom). But when one allows those saying they're Jews to actually be Jews by virtue of their self-determination and all polity, one creates the logic disconnect because Jesus's words (not Jews) don't apply anymore. So I can only conclude such a one is crossing two contradictory streams of logic that always result in contradiction.
And even with that huge advantage (at the time), Jews don't become honest and nice tribe. And they didn't go that path consciously. Even lasy Greeks with all their old pagan shit was able to become leading Christian nation at some moment.
It exactly "runs through" Israel, leaving no single drop in it, like water through PTFE tube.
Who knows, may be Jews was a God's test if He really give humans free will. If even God can't convince some tribe to behave one way or another, then they really have free will. The problem is that we now have to deal with the consequences of this God's experiment. And it is up to us completely.
Fulfilling promises is a good thing. Jews had to eternally obey commandments (be Judaists) in exchange for their salvation, but they didn't. They broke the deal and betrayed God. That was a bad thing. Following terms of deal, doing what you promised to do is a good thing.