I checked out several of his videos and looked through most of his channel's other videos. He only had one series where he worked with granite, and he produced something that's nowhere close to what we've seen in the vases that Ben talked about in OP's video, or the other vases studied thus far in Ben's other videos. Nor does the person you linked to disprove the points Ben, and others, have made regarding the evidence for advanced ancient tech.
The problem isn't just working hard stone. It's working hard stone to incredibly tight tolerances/precision, and in weird shapes that can't be produced on a lathe or other spinning tool, which the official Egyptologists say the ancient Egyptians didn't have. You, and the person you linked to, is already discrediting the Egyptologist's own narrative while trying to debunk anyone that's discrediting the narrative.
He has one video titled "Precision in Stone with IMPRECISE Tools by Hand Lesson 1". In the video, he says he was able to achieve .01mm tolerances, but no where does he show his measurements, whereas the measurements for the vases are shown in Ben's videos. Furthermore, he (the person you linked to) claims that he can get high precision through the simple act of turning the tool and piece, but doesn't have an explanation for high precision on pieces that have non spherical shapes, or between the handles of the vases where "turning" the tool or the piece is impossible. He also doesn't have an explanation/refutation for the geometric ratios for all the curves on the scanned vases thus far studied by Ben and the other people looking into this. You can't eyeball those geometric ratios. It has to be intentional, and designed. The person you linked to just drilled a shallow circle, oblivious to the exact dimensions, and then claimed victory. This is exactly what Egyptologists and mainstream historians have been doing to (((debunk))) counterpoints for decades. They make their own claims, have short sites experiments that fail to address the counterpoints, attack anyone who disagrees with them (usually censoring them out of any academic sphere), and then proclaim their side is victorious and right.
I'd also like to point out that it's weird that you linked to someone who's entire Youtube channel is about "debunking" conspiracy theories, on a conspiracy theory forum.
I assumed that the people participating in this discussion understood that we were talking about complex creations, like vases, and not slabs of stone. You're right, my wording could have been more precise. Modern Egyptians do occasionally work in granite, but it's almost exclusively on objects that are easier to make (i.e. flat stuff like countertops), and the vast majority of their work is in softer stone, and it's much lower precision than the vases being discussed. Ben has videos on his channel showing modern Egyptians creating vases with primitive techniques, but like I said, it's in softer stone, and they're all incredibly inaccurate compared to the vases that are being discussed.
To specifically reference your link, I've made stone countertops before (from scratch from rocks taken out of the mountain). I've worked in a rock quarry before. I know what the processes and tools are. Do you know how loose the "tolerances" they give for countertops and other flat objects? +/- .25 inches, and sometimes much more. And those are the easiest stone pieces to make, using modern tech like carbide/diamond tipped saws.
Do you not see the inherent discrepancy in your own argument? I didn't say it was impossible for modern people to create these things. I only added caveats that we're able to do it with modern machining equipment and computers to design them, which the ancient Egyptians (supposedly) didn't have.
Also, please explain how the ancient Egyptians were able to (by eye) create geometric symmetries that are all related to each other, in every curve of their vases, even in curves with a radius of around 1mm, and even in curves between the handles which can't be lathed.
Also, please explain how the ancient Egyptians were able to (by eye) create geometric symmetries that are all related to each other, in every curve of their vases, even in curves with a radius of around 1mm, and even in curves between the handles which can't be lathed.
Oh, that's easy. Those are made up claims. Never happened.
I dare you to present actual verified measurements that support these claims.
I began this entire conversation assuming you were a genuine user. I now know you're not. It's literally impossible to have a genuine conversation or debate with you. You visit this forum to actively attack and undermine conspiracy theories, with intentional gaslighting and logically fallacious arguments. That doesn't mean you, or anyone else, has to believe every conspiracy theory, or not question anything, since that's literally how most of us (genuine people) got here, but you're doing something else entirely. You're here to push the mainstream explanations, despite all evidence, and will use mainstream explanations to "debunk" wrongthink. You're the textbook definition of a subversive.
Also, the video you linked is hilarious. The people took 1 vase to measure and compare it to their creation, and called it a day. There are tens of thousands of stone vases. If you'd bother to watch anything Ben with Uncharted X has put out, he (and others involved in this project) have already admitted that there is a wide variety of precision within those stone vases. The problem arises, with how many there are, and with the incredible precision of many that they've measured, which are in the micron, or sub micron range, which is far more accurate than what they measured in the video you linked. The further, and biggest problem for the mainstream explanation, is the geometric relationships between all the curves of the vases, built into them, designed. I wouldn't say you can't do that with stone tools, but it's so difficult to do that it borders on impossible, and it's not just 1 vase we see this with. I've already mentioned this multiple times in previous replies, which you've intentionally ignored, and which you'll ignore again.
The fact that you've replied to this thread, again, just to "debunk" it, is quite hilarious. Keep kvetching Cohen. You've become incredibly transparent. Your ruse doesn't work you manipulative liar.
I checked out several of his videos and looked through most of his channel's other videos. He only had one series where he worked with granite, and he produced something that's nowhere close to what we've seen in the vases that Ben talked about in OP's video, or the other vases studied thus far in Ben's other videos. Nor does the person you linked to disprove the points Ben, and others, have made regarding the evidence for advanced ancient tech.
The problem isn't just working hard stone. It's working hard stone to incredibly tight tolerances/precision, and in weird shapes that can't be produced on a lathe or other spinning tool, which the official Egyptologists say the ancient Egyptians didn't have. You, and the person you linked to, is already discrediting the Egyptologist's own narrative while trying to debunk anyone that's discrediting the narrative.
He has one video titled "Precision in Stone with IMPRECISE Tools by Hand Lesson 1". In the video, he says he was able to achieve .01mm tolerances, but no where does he show his measurements, whereas the measurements for the vases are shown in Ben's videos. Furthermore, he (the person you linked to) claims that he can get high precision through the simple act of turning the tool and piece, but doesn't have an explanation for high precision on pieces that have non spherical shapes, or between the handles of the vases where "turning" the tool or the piece is impossible. He also doesn't have an explanation/refutation for the geometric ratios for all the curves on the scanned vases thus far studied by Ben and the other people looking into this. You can't eyeball those geometric ratios. It has to be intentional, and designed. The person you linked to just drilled a shallow circle, oblivious to the exact dimensions, and then claimed victory. This is exactly what Egyptologists and mainstream historians have been doing to (((debunk))) counterpoints for decades. They make their own claims, have short sites experiments that fail to address the counterpoints, attack anyone who disagrees with them (usually censoring them out of any academic sphere), and then proclaim their side is victorious and right.
I'd also like to point out that it's weird that you linked to someone who's entire Youtube channel is about "debunking" conspiracy theories, on a conspiracy theory forum.
I assumed that the people participating in this discussion understood that we were talking about complex creations, like vases, and not slabs of stone. You're right, my wording could have been more precise. Modern Egyptians do occasionally work in granite, but it's almost exclusively on objects that are easier to make (i.e. flat stuff like countertops), and the vast majority of their work is in softer stone, and it's much lower precision than the vases being discussed. Ben has videos on his channel showing modern Egyptians creating vases with primitive techniques, but like I said, it's in softer stone, and they're all incredibly inaccurate compared to the vases that are being discussed.
To specifically reference your link, I've made stone countertops before (from scratch from rocks taken out of the mountain). I've worked in a rock quarry before. I know what the processes and tools are. Do you know how loose the "tolerances" they give for countertops and other flat objects? +/- .25 inches, and sometimes much more. And those are the easiest stone pieces to make, using modern tech like carbide/diamond tipped saws.
You can literally buy modern made granite vases in bulk from china. How are they able to make those?
Do you think they employ some secret alien technology to do so that doesn't exist in modern Egypt?
"modern made"
"modern made"
"modern made"
"ancient Egypt"
Do you not see the inherent discrepancy in your own argument? I didn't say it was impossible for modern people to create these things. I only added caveats that we're able to do it with modern machining equipment and computers to design them, which the ancient Egyptians (supposedly) didn't have.
Also, please explain how the ancient Egyptians were able to (by eye) create geometric symmetries that are all related to each other, in every curve of their vases, even in curves with a radius of around 1mm, and even in curves between the handles which can't be lathed.
Oh, that's easy. Those are made up claims. Never happened.
I dare you to present actual verified measurements that support these claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umhfvtjyCps
Like this.
I began this entire conversation assuming you were a genuine user. I now know you're not. It's literally impossible to have a genuine conversation or debate with you. You visit this forum to actively attack and undermine conspiracy theories, with intentional gaslighting and logically fallacious arguments. That doesn't mean you, or anyone else, has to believe every conspiracy theory, or not question anything, since that's literally how most of us (genuine people) got here, but you're doing something else entirely. You're here to push the mainstream explanations, despite all evidence, and will use mainstream explanations to "debunk" wrongthink. You're the textbook definition of a subversive.
Also, the video you linked is hilarious. The people took 1 vase to measure and compare it to their creation, and called it a day. There are tens of thousands of stone vases. If you'd bother to watch anything Ben with Uncharted X has put out, he (and others involved in this project) have already admitted that there is a wide variety of precision within those stone vases. The problem arises, with how many there are, and with the incredible precision of many that they've measured, which are in the micron, or sub micron range, which is far more accurate than what they measured in the video you linked. The further, and biggest problem for the mainstream explanation, is the geometric relationships between all the curves of the vases, built into them, designed. I wouldn't say you can't do that with stone tools, but it's so difficult to do that it borders on impossible, and it's not just 1 vase we see this with. I've already mentioned this multiple times in previous replies, which you've intentionally ignored, and which you'll ignore again.
The fact that you've replied to this thread, again, just to "debunk" it, is quite hilarious. Keep kvetching Cohen. You've become incredibly transparent. Your ruse doesn't work you manipulative liar.