After the American Civil War, they called PSTD "soldier's heart" after and during WWI it was called "shell shock" and many soldiers from all nations had it. In literature, Odysseus in the Odyssey sure acts like his had PTSD. There are lots of examples historically.
You lost a couple notches of respect from me for sheer ignorance, like Russians are supermen and never had shell shock. Get the fuck out.
After the American Civil War, they called PSTD "soldier's heart"
So, no any scientific, measureable and proven by experiments facts. Some feelings and literary forms.
after and during WWI it was called "shell shock" and many soldiers from all nations had it.
"Shell shock" is just a mechanical brain concussion caused by nearby blast pressure wave. Not any different from any other consussion by consequences and repair. If brain was not irreversibly damaged, then there could not be any consequences for mental health. It have absolutely nothing to do with what is posed as PTSD at all.
Of course, soldiers in war could get severe, brain damaging concussion from a blast (shell shock) or a shrapnel inside a skull that damaged part of brain. This could cause mental problems. But it is brain injury that causes mental problems, not the fact of their participation in war. Just like brain injury and following mental issues due to car accident or employment injury.
Soldiers could get wounded. But they can't suddenly become insane just because they participated in battles.
In literature, Odysseus in the Odyssey sure acts like his had PTSD. There are lots of examples historically.
Do you understand that Odysseus is a fictional person?
like Russians are supermen and never had shell shock.
Russians are just normal humans, and that's all. And "shell shock" just like other concussions is nothing special or exceptional for us. It's just consussion, nothing more. We don't create fictional things to cover up some shit.
And this "Superman" thing - it is not occasional, that you used that cultural reference. Don't you find interesting, that Russians have no any need or tradition to create fictional heroes with superpowers? We don't have "supermen" or "superheroes" with "superpowers" in our culture. Our heroes are real ones, even those from ancient legends. If American cultural elite like to make up fictional heroes, it is pretty valid to assume that they will actively make up other non-existent things, like PTSD. It's just kind of cultiral thing - make up things that does not exist if it suitable for something.
What a silly, silly response. Something measured and weighed via modern psychology doesn't exist to you?
Here's one for you then. Give me the experimental proof of consciousness. Come on now, let's see the double blind peer review studies where we measure it.
Something measured and weighed via modern psychology
Psychology is not a science at all. It is a cult based on bullshit of disguisting kike pervert Sigmund Freud.
I could create such "psychology" out of thin air in a second. F.e. : "All human behaviour subconsciously directed by the desire to produce as much poo as possible." Here we go. Using this bullshit I could easily "explain" any "psychological" thing in the same way as any approved psychologist. Humans even have sexual attraction just to produce another human being that will produce more shit. Easy and simple. That is your psychology in a nutshell.
Only man in the whole history of psychology who somehow tried to do something really useful was Lombroso. But he was later ostracised for very obvious reasons - just look at the faces of modern politicials or those psychologists f.e.
That "traumatising event" nonsence that is declared as PTSD reason is purely fictional construct. If it was real, then, same "traumatising event" have to always produce exactly same PTSD in any person. But it does not. Ergo, this theory, and PTSD thing are not valid.
Humans have a lot of "traumatising events" in their lives, but only very tiny part have some mental disorders then. Trying to conclude that it is "traumatising event" lead to PTSD is just unscentific and no different from trying to conclude that PTSD is caused by drinking water, because every person with PTSD drinked water.
It's disgraceful.
What is really disgraceful, is trying to argue with somebody using some old kike pervert vomit named "psychology".
You could easily find a lot of potential causes for PTSD. Real ones. F.e. - desire of BigPharma to sell drugs to vets at expence of taxpayers money. It is much more real, than some psychologist fantasies.
Why I insist on Russia example of PTSD non-existence? It is because Russia is a country of vets families. You will not find a family without a real battle veteran or few. And if PTSD ever was a real thing, then it would be widely known even if governement for any reason tried to deny that (we don't give a fuck about what governement want to deny if its real). PTSD thing appeared in Russain mass-media only after USSR fall when Western swindlers began to sneak into. Psychology, as finding different mental issues in paying clients was not even a thing until Western NGOs began to fund all that psychological help practicioners and all that stuff. Of course their results are not different from astrologists or fortune tellers. Some people fall for that crap, but most despise that completely alien shit.
Mental health problems are in sphere of psychiatry, not psychology. But people with mental diseases were never allowed for military service here, even in times of war. And as I said, mentally healthy people can't become mentally ill just because of doing right thing - fighting for their own.
After the American Civil War, they called PSTD "soldier's heart" after and during WWI it was called "shell shock" and many soldiers from all nations had it. In literature, Odysseus in the Odyssey sure acts like his had PTSD. There are lots of examples historically.
You lost a couple notches of respect from me for sheer ignorance, like Russians are supermen and never had shell shock. Get the fuck out.
So, no any scientific, measureable and proven by experiments facts. Some feelings and literary forms.
"Shell shock" is just a mechanical brain concussion caused by nearby blast pressure wave. Not any different from any other consussion by consequences and repair. If brain was not irreversibly damaged, then there could not be any consequences for mental health. It have absolutely nothing to do with what is posed as PTSD at all.
Of course, soldiers in war could get severe, brain damaging concussion from a blast (shell shock) or a shrapnel inside a skull that damaged part of brain. This could cause mental problems. But it is brain injury that causes mental problems, not the fact of their participation in war. Just like brain injury and following mental issues due to car accident or employment injury.
Soldiers could get wounded. But they can't suddenly become insane just because they participated in battles.
Do you understand that Odysseus is a fictional person?
Russians are just normal humans, and that's all. And "shell shock" just like other concussions is nothing special or exceptional for us. It's just consussion, nothing more. We don't create fictional things to cover up some shit.
And this "Superman" thing - it is not occasional, that you used that cultural reference. Don't you find interesting, that Russians have no any need or tradition to create fictional heroes with superpowers? We don't have "supermen" or "superheroes" with "superpowers" in our culture. Our heroes are real ones, even those from ancient legends. If American cultural elite like to make up fictional heroes, it is pretty valid to assume that they will actively make up other non-existent things, like PTSD. It's just kind of cultiral thing - make up things that does not exist if it suitable for something.
Interesting points
What a silly, silly response. Something measured and weighed via modern psychology doesn't exist to you?
Here's one for you then. Give me the experimental proof of consciousness. Come on now, let's see the double blind peer review studies where we measure it.
You aren't using the right definition for shell shock, btw. Even George Carlin understood that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psMrA78qygM
Here's your early studies on shell shock. https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/medicine-on-the-western-front-part-two/shell-shock-cases/
Modern studies on PTSD a summary: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/posttraumatic-stress-disorder
Russians are human like everyone else, and they had shell shock, or PTSD, like everyone else.
Do you think, perhaps, that Homer, one of the world's greatest poets, didn't know or interact with any Greek warriors?
You need to just stop the hole you're digging. It's disgraceful.
Psychology is not a science at all. It is a cult based on bullshit of disguisting kike pervert Sigmund Freud.
I could create such "psychology" out of thin air in a second. F.e. : "All human behaviour subconsciously directed by the desire to produce as much poo as possible." Here we go. Using this bullshit I could easily "explain" any "psychological" thing in the same way as any approved psychologist. Humans even have sexual attraction just to produce another human being that will produce more shit. Easy and simple. That is your psychology in a nutshell.
Only man in the whole history of psychology who somehow tried to do something really useful was Lombroso. But he was later ostracised for very obvious reasons - just look at the faces of modern politicials or those psychologists f.e.
That "traumatising event" nonsence that is declared as PTSD reason is purely fictional construct. If it was real, then, same "traumatising event" have to always produce exactly same PTSD in any person. But it does not. Ergo, this theory, and PTSD thing are not valid.
Humans have a lot of "traumatising events" in their lives, but only very tiny part have some mental disorders then. Trying to conclude that it is "traumatising event" lead to PTSD is just unscentific and no different from trying to conclude that PTSD is caused by drinking water, because every person with PTSD drinked water.
What is really disgraceful, is trying to argue with somebody using some old kike pervert vomit named "psychology".
You could easily find a lot of potential causes for PTSD. Real ones. F.e. - desire of BigPharma to sell drugs to vets at expence of taxpayers money. It is much more real, than some psychologist fantasies.
Why I insist on Russia example of PTSD non-existence? It is because Russia is a country of vets families. You will not find a family without a real battle veteran or few. And if PTSD ever was a real thing, then it would be widely known even if governement for any reason tried to deny that (we don't give a fuck about what governement want to deny if its real). PTSD thing appeared in Russain mass-media only after USSR fall when Western swindlers began to sneak into. Psychology, as finding different mental issues in paying clients was not even a thing until Western NGOs began to fund all that psychological help practicioners and all that stuff. Of course their results are not different from astrologists or fortune tellers. Some people fall for that crap, but most despise that completely alien shit.
Mental health problems are in sphere of psychiatry, not psychology. But people with mental diseases were never allowed for military service here, even in times of war. And as I said, mentally healthy people can't become mentally ill just because of doing right thing - fighting for their own.
You know what the first rule of holes is?
When you find yourself in one, stop digging.
Acknowledge the evidence I presented, or go pontificate ignorance elsewhere.