News like this, shows what?
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This is part of the new narrative: "Ukraine is hopeless; we've tried".
You can see many examples of this, and there is discussion about this changed narrative.
Peace talks, but there will be, no, peace. Just talks saying nothing else. I don't think, peace, yet. Although who knows, what to think? However the narrative plays, what's its. Off/On. When needed.
I think there's fatigue. A lack of popularity and some concern. Autumn and Winter approaches. All those tanks and assault vehicles won't do much in wet ground. Unless they've kept big consignments of troops back. They will sooner be operating more defensively. Even holding back to counter from a better flank perhaps if overrunning opposing attacks. But what do I know, I don't. More is probaby based on ifs and nots. Funding, more arms and aid, like new tanks, missiles, jets, enemy, and positions. Tactically Ukraine haven't punched through.
Suddenly ah but peace while gearing and inciting.
No, it's far too soon for that. It's still committed. Significantly there are sighs. Like campaigning will obviously use it when running. Especially when it hasn't bought much. But who knows???
No. There are no peace talks.
That's got nothing to do with anything. "Fatigue" WTF? Stop watching television.
It's not here yet. Russia relies very heavily on artillery. https://liveuamap.com/ <--- It is like this every single day. You are not allowed to know, but the population of Ukraine is being exterminated: Women overseas; men turned into mincemeat under NATO command.
That is COMPLETE bullshit. Ukraine has limitless funding, more money than it knows what to do with. It's paid off its former 5 Billion loan to the IMF, that's after the-most-corrupt-country-in-Europe (Ukraine) took its various cuts. Any arms dealer will sell them anything they want. Of course, it doesn't have an airforce - destroyed in the first 48 hours after 22-02-2022 - nor an army (rather organised militants and gang-pressed civilians) . The tanks are pointless, for show only, and now that is over (all destroyed) that will stop. Tanks need to be part of an organised battalion, and there is nothing like that. Send a tank into a field and it will be destroyed.
The missiles are British and French, and will not be able to be operated by untrained, not-english-speaking Ukrainian school teachers gang-pressed into the front lines.
This is the big story:
You're an idiot.
There were/are peace talks. Jeddah. Saudi Arabia, China, few others. Last week.
They gained nothing except more talks. They aren't going to gain anything either. Not this year. Not unless either side do something significant. Neither side are.
There is fatigue on this topic. The term fatigue means. Dumb munch. Means will the narrative change towards peace as objective. Or will it continue to write a blank check.
Fatigue the funding lessens. Western Media stops going on about it. Makes a peace deal.
It can happen on change of government. The other government campaigning changes policy.
It won't happen this year. Hence any talks do nothing else. Nothing at all. Unless there is something more significant, we will all continue to be bored by it. Fatigue, boring.
Autumn/winter approaches. Wet ground delays all offensive actions. It delayed Russia starting the conflict. It delayed the Ukrainian Counter Offense. Those Vehicles tanks, personnel carrier get used more for defense during those months. Offensive operations stall. They did last year.
Tanks aren't for show if they're properly used. Ukraine hasn't used them effectively. Russia also had problems in its early campaign.
You chat so much crap.
The war is Ukraine versus Russia. Nato could pull funding tomorrow and nothing would've happened. It can keep funding Ukraine, and nothing will happen. It is not fighting Russia. It doesn't matter what it does or doesn't. Russia has not gone to war against Nato. It is fighting Ukraine. It really hasn't defeated it yet, or anything else.
Rhetoric suggest it's Russia versus Nato, it causes morale, if it's the reason for hosility, because when it's your brother, Ukraine, people ask why. It plays them off. It needs reasons. No Russia isn't fighting Nato. Not yet. Not properly. Yes it is fighting Nato if you're a Russian. Or perhaps if you're in Nato. But as a European or American. They're not fighting Russia. Ukraine are, and who were they. Nobody else.
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No. There were talks in Saudi Arabia that (1) excluded Russia and (2) started from Ukraine's premise that pre-USA disaster, no-longer-existing (former) Ukraine would be magically restored. . . and only then could peace discussions begin. Zelensky is a [edit] Servant of The Synagogue of Satan , a [/edit] traitor, an enemy of the former Ukraine. Only a complete fool would ever call these "peace talks". They were for show. China participated. I think it, China, wants to see who is singing which tune.
Ukraine is not in a position to use tanks effectively, and it never (again) will be. It is not in a position to have an army; it is not in a position to exist. Ukraine is a corpse in a bath of US taxpayers' money, arbitrary billions of US money. The fate of NATO is - probably - at stake.
I mean (you don't know, but) look at what I showed you before https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/13-august-ukrainian-defence-forces-continue-offensive-operations Ukraine is hardly even fighting. The Billions aren't going to Ukraine, they're being drained from the dying USA.
Sorry, but you really have not been paying attention:
This is the current situation. While cycling new recruits through the front line, not using any conscripts, and largely relying on a they-did-well but rag-tag private army, this is how things currently are. Attacks this week in * Western* Ukraine, most of the major electricity systems destroyed (Ukraine has (I mean, 'had') an electric rail system - now, moving tanks 1000km to the front lines is effectively impossible. Hence the tiny new tank deployments - 300 tanks are being lost each month), large concentrations of troops near Odessa. Open land to the east of Kiev, and see here https://liveuamap.com/ for the large Russian buildup behind the borders to the north of Kiev. Russian doesn't even want Ukraine.
Anyway, this is the current situation. Note the troops to the north of Kiev. Just waiting for the Ukrainian collapse:
https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/12august2023_Ukraine_map.jpg
Russia had been building that force for months now. Apparently 100k troops with tanks and artillery and carriers. It hasn't done much with them yet. Will it?
It's also playing a longer game. If this happens then that.
You're speculating. Russia doesn't want Ukraine. It has integrated parts of the Ukraine already. They are Russian. If it didn't want Ukraine? I mean what about that. It's simply it hasn't taken more, not for better trying.
Odessa could take years to seige. If it's still an objective. That's part of the problem. There isn't an objective. What is it. Defend parts. What parts. Attack parts which parts. Ukraine kill Russians objectively. Russia is now defensive and still making slow offensive ground in Donetsk.
Most recent reports Ukrainian propaganda was it was opening beaches along Odessa for the public/Summer. Not much has been happening along that front since the grain was diverted. It is still under bombardment but not as sustained since Kherson.
Will Russia retake Kharkiv and Sumy, and surround Kiev? Nope not this year.
Who knows what happens and who cares.
No. It has taken the parts of Ukraine that are Russian speaking and that want to be part of Russia. Putin, as a spokesman for Russia, has said many times that he/Russia does not want parts of the former Ukraine that do not want to be part of Russia. Now, it is possible that Russia will drive across Ukraine to the Polish border. But those parts of Ukraine will either return to Poland or become part of a Rump Ukraine, but Russia will has said that it will not incorporate them.
Odessa is Russian speaking and could - and should - be part of Russia. Ukraine is over. Ukraine is the same NATO success as Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Whatever is left of Ukraine, a Rump or partitioned, and neutral, will not be part of NATO. Hopefully NATO will be destroyed: NATO is pure evil.
Well, off the top of my head: The bridges to Moldova have been destroyed, eliminating any chance of land support from NATO; the ports' storage facilities have been destroyed; supported, dug in, Russian troops are behind defensive lines about 40 km from Odessa.
Russia is engaging in a process that will be added to the textbooks of war. Behind multiple defensive lines they are actively inviting attacks that result in the deaths of 100s or 1000's of attackers. The preservation of Russian soldiers' lives, on the other hand, is paramount. This is the controlled demolition of the Ukrainian army (== population). Zelensky's (i.e. NATO's) public abandonment this week of gang-pressing probably means USA cannon fodder will be imported. I don't think that any European country's population is stupid enough to sacrifice itself. So Team USA it is.
I kindof agree. In the future we will see, the reality. Speculation is pointless.
Why are you going over old posts. Why are you replying to posts 2 weeks old.
You're a nigger faggot stalker. Look at that. How did you find the topic, and why?
I am definately a nigger faggot stalker. Also, my tone was off: why was I so negative and aggressive? You were just making conversation.
My bad.
I only browse these sites (voat, poal, *.win) one day a week . . . so 7 days later .