News like this, shows what?
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Sorry, but you really have not been paying attention:
This is the current situation. While cycling new recruits through the front line, not using any conscripts, and largely relying on a they-did-well but rag-tag private army, this is how things currently are. Attacks this week in * Western* Ukraine, most of the major electricity systems destroyed (Ukraine has (I mean, 'had') an electric rail system - now, moving tanks 1000km to the front lines is effectively impossible. Hence the tiny new tank deployments - 300 tanks are being lost each month), large concentrations of troops near Odessa. Open land to the east of Kiev, and see here https://liveuamap.com/ for the large Russian buildup behind the borders to the north of Kiev. Russian doesn't even want Ukraine.
Anyway, this is the current situation. Note the troops to the north of Kiev. Just waiting for the Ukrainian collapse:
https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/12august2023_Ukraine_map.jpg
Russia had been building that force for months now. Apparently 100k troops with tanks and artillery and carriers. It hasn't done much with them yet. Will it?
It's also playing a longer game. If this happens then that.
You're speculating. Russia doesn't want Ukraine. It has integrated parts of the Ukraine already. They are Russian. If it didn't want Ukraine? I mean what about that. It's simply it hasn't taken more, not for better trying.
Odessa could take years to seige. If it's still an objective. That's part of the problem. There isn't an objective. What is it. Defend parts. What parts. Attack parts which parts. Ukraine kill Russians objectively. Russia is now defensive and still making slow offensive ground in Donetsk.
Most recent reports Ukrainian propaganda was it was opening beaches along Odessa for the public/Summer. Not much has been happening along that front since the grain was diverted. It is still under bombardment but not as sustained since Kherson.
Will Russia retake Kharkiv and Sumy, and surround Kiev? Nope not this year.
Who knows what happens and who cares.
No. It has taken the parts of Ukraine that are Russian speaking and that want to be part of Russia. Putin, as a spokesman for Russia, has said many times that he/Russia does not want parts of the former Ukraine that do not want to be part of Russia. Now, it is possible that Russia will drive across Ukraine to the Polish border. But those parts of Ukraine will either return to Poland or become part of a Rump Ukraine, but Russia will has said that it will not incorporate them.
Odessa is Russian speaking and could - and should - be part of Russia. Ukraine is over. Ukraine is the same NATO success as Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Whatever is left of Ukraine, a Rump or partitioned, and neutral, will not be part of NATO. Hopefully NATO will be destroyed: NATO is pure evil.
Well, off the top of my head: The bridges to Moldova have been destroyed, eliminating any chance of land support from NATO; the ports' storage facilities have been destroyed; supported, dug in, Russian troops are behind defensive lines about 40 km from Odessa.
Russia is engaging in a process that will be added to the textbooks of war. Behind multiple defensive lines they are actively inviting attacks that result in the deaths of 100s or 1000's of attackers. The preservation of Russian soldiers' lives, on the other hand, is paramount. This is the controlled demolition of the Ukrainian army (== population). Zelensky's (i.e. NATO's) public abandonment this week of gang-pressing probably means USA cannon fodder will be imported. I don't think that any European country's population is stupid enough to sacrifice itself. So Team USA it is.
I kindof agree. In the future we will see, the reality. Speculation is pointless.
No. It has taken. Hahaha. It was all Russian speaking. I didn't think Ukrainian was even a language, rather it was just a dialect of Russian. Until it make belief some other Starwar's language. Kiev as a city goes back thousands of years. Then Zelenskyy came along, and next thing it's called, forget about it. It was all Russian speaking. Until today it reinvented a dialect.
Russia hasn't won shit. It hasn't been decisive. It thought to take territory instead of victory. What territory. No, which. Borders. No. Half. No. This and that. Not that. That has let them arm. Can't take that. Just this. Not that.
By taking territory, it has put itself in a position of conflict. It cannot make peace. It has taken parts of it. So it must beat the rest of the Ukraine, or Ukraine arms, and it continues to get funded. Because Russia hasn't beaten it. It has beaten the Russian speaking parts. Which parts did Russia win?
None is that answer, unless you're Russian. Because it still hasn't beat Ukraine. Maybe then, Russia will get some peace or the territory it desires.
Tell me what was that objective? The other's was simple. Defeating Russia. I cannot say Russia's was beating Ukraine. Not conventionally anyway.
On a higher level of reasoning, one we're not party too, there is an agenda, and it already knows and understands how far this goes. Why it's even played.
Naively you assume it plays. It plays to beat sides not even fighting. Sounds dumb. It could drag them in, anyway. Why not risk it. So it doesn't escalate? If it uses proxies, it's contained. So it isn't direct warfare, and it loses more, from nukes, or whatever. That already signals communication; Demands, concessions. But at the same time emphatically stating it will defeat the other. Although it makes no other attempt to be decisive. Both sides. It simply drags itself out, hoping to win at much larger attrition, if it holds out, the other will ceed ground and lose.
This is happening while what else is happening, globally? Absurdly.
It never used Belarus. It didn't lock the opposing border down. It didn't match offensives with its own. It sat there. It hasn't pressured another flank. Instead it bides its time. Recklessly. The other will never stop. It never fully crushed command structures, coms, and ultilies. Almost no other warfare on this Planet has been fought as archiacally. None. Unless we go back to seige warfare with high walls. Most warfare fights with a purpose to overthrow, crush, disable, destroy. They don't fight for the purpose of causing degradation.
There is another agenda behind this conflict. Where it ironically drags out.
You assume it's some lofty goal of beating Nato. Or defeating Russia. Nope. Not without direct warfare. It hasn't, yet. So why now?
Tell me, it isn't you down voting? Call that faggot out. The nigger troll faggot tranny stalker baits people talking. Purposefully. How do they even know I am online? Mod. A disgusting degenerate. Or are they really that sad they click on my name for new content. How many times a day? I am guessing Mod. A real dumb nigger. What ethnicity? What background? It's why this forum has praise Jesus, bhudda savior crap, Flat Earth every 5 minutes.
OK. All I want to say is that the war, as either a NATO ground -vs- Russia or Ukraine -vs- Russia, is over. It's been over for a long time.
NATO could, maybe, try a non-nuclear air war, but we know that would turn out. Then the NATO air war -vs- Russia would be over too. How many - 50? - advanced NATO fighters and 10? bombers/AWACS shot down in a month, and then it'd be over. They'd make up some bullshit about the wrong pronouns being used, and then they'd stop. And we have seen how Russia responds to attacks: it anhilliates infrastructure.
If NATO tried an air war, Russia would destroy a few military airports (from which the strikes were being launched)
For the last 10 years 'Russia" has been saying that there is not to be any NATO missiles on it's border, or within 1000 km or something. Ukraine is to be neutral. That - along with the 'de-nazification' (which means "de-America-fication") of Ukraine - have always been the clearly stated objectives. Protection of the Russian population in Ukraine was the trigger for the conflict: Attacks "sky rocketed" in the weeks leading up to 22-02-2022.
Not me
Why are you going over old posts. Why are you replying to posts 2 weeks old.
You're a nigger faggot stalker. Look at that. How did you find the topic, and why?
I am definately a nigger faggot stalker. Also, my tone was off: why was I so negative and aggressive? You were just making conversation.
My bad.
I only browse these sites (voat, poal, *.win) one day a week . . . so 7 days later .
You had a go at me.
I am pissed I keep getting trolled. Some cunt/s a nigger, faggot, tranny, stalker is clicking on my name and post history and down voting it.
They're from Reddit, and think this site works that way. There's a scoring system to posting. It's put me in a mood this person is doing this.
They're a complete freak. But have found other freaks on here. They have a multiple account, and bait. I can say about 3 of their accounts, no point. They believe God made a Flat Earth. They hang about this forum airing non stop garbage. Like nukes aren't real.
However when you clicked on stuff from 8 days ago, it caused alarm. Only that faggot would do that. Every downvote I have is from that nigger. They aren't even black. But none the less, they're a nigger.
You're wrong there has been peace talks. But they went no where with them. Like every other attempt. Laughably Ukraine thinks the rest of the World cares, and if it beats Russia the World will care more. Unfortunately the only people who think Ukraine beating Russia matters, is the West funding it. They don't care much at all. They scream at every opportunity jumping up down on rooftops if Ukraine gains a bombed out village and loses 1000 men and 30 armoured vehicles taking it. It means the counter offensive is succeeding.
So there will be no peace with such absurdity. Not in any current government deciding on how much more funding buys how many more, call it what you like.
But this is a long conflict. It won't be done anytime soon. Not this year. This time next year, campaigning elections, is when real fatigue will have set in, if any results are as nonsensical. It is already being aired in the press now, that it's becoming ridiculous. All that money hasn't bought shit. At what point does it keep buying shit. Well it ups the ante. Longer range missiles, more drones, perhaps fighter jets. It keeps provoking escalation, just to keep it in the press. At what point, does it make any difference?
Russia is also dragging its feet objectively. It is using this conflict like the West for larger Geopolitical goals. When does it counter offensive? It mobilised. Too what extent remains current. But surely it would've built a secondary force. It has, too what extent remains. When does it cause a surgical strike. Another major capture. Or putting that fight in a position of dictating terms. If it doesn't, it's only defending. That Conflict, is entering another decade, since Ukraine fractured. Surely now it's caused a convergence, but it still isn't Nato fighting Russia. It's the same proxy in conflict.
Objectively this conflict is what. Defeating Russia via proxy. But Russia objectively isn't beating the proxy. You assume it's beating Nato. Hahaha. No. Ukraine is the other guy.