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Peace talks, but there will be, no, peace. Just talks saying nothing else. I don't think, peace, yet. Although who knows, what to think? However the narrative plays, what's its. Off/On. When needed.
I think there's fatigue. A lack of popularity and some concern. Autumn and Winter approaches. All those tanks and assault vehicles won't do much in wet ground. Unless they've kept big consignments of troops back. They will sooner be operating more defensively. Even holding back to counter from a better flank perhaps if overrunning opposing attacks. But what do I know, I don't. More is probaby based on ifs and nots. Funding, more arms and aid, like new tanks, missiles, jets, enemy, and positions. Tactically Ukraine haven't punched through.
Suddenly ah but peace while gearing and inciting.
No, it's far too soon for that. It's still committed. Significantly there are sighs. Like campaigning will obviously use it when running. Especially when it hasn't bought much. But who knows???
No. There are no peace talks.
That's got nothing to do with anything. "Fatigue" WTF? Stop watching television.
It's not here yet. Russia relies very heavily on artillery. https://liveuamap.com/ <--- It is like this every single day. You are not allowed to know, but the population of Ukraine is being exterminated: Women overseas; men turned into mincemeat under NATO command.
That is COMPLETE bullshit. Ukraine has limitless funding, more money than it knows what to do with. It's paid off its former 5 Billion loan to the IMF, that's after the-most-corrupt-country-in-Europe (Ukraine) took its various cuts. Any arms dealer will sell them anything they want. Of course, it doesn't have an airforce - destroyed in the first 48 hours after 22-02-2022 - nor an army (rather organised militants and gang-pressed civilians) . The tanks are pointless, for show only, and now that is over (all destroyed) that will stop. Tanks need to be part of an organised battalion, and there is nothing like that. Send a tank into a field and it will be destroyed.
The missiles are British and French, and will not be able to be operated by untrained, not-english-speaking Ukrainian school teachers gang-pressed into the front lines.
This is the big story:
You're an idiot.
There were/are peace talks. Jeddah. Saudi Arabia, China, few others. Last week.
They gained nothing except more talks. They aren't going to gain anything either. Not this year. Not unless either side do something significant. Neither side are.
There is fatigue on this topic. The term fatigue means. Dumb munch. Means will the narrative change towards peace as objective. Or will it continue to write a blank check.
Fatigue the funding lessens. Western Media stops going on about it. Makes a peace deal.
It can happen on change of government. The other government campaigning changes policy.
It won't happen this year. Hence any talks do nothing else. Nothing at all. Unless there is something more significant, we will all continue to be bored by it. Fatigue, boring.
Autumn/winter approaches. Wet ground delays all offensive actions. It delayed Russia starting the conflict. It delayed the Ukrainian Counter Offense. Those Vehicles tanks, personnel carrier get used more for defense during those months. Offensive operations stall. They did last year.
Tanks aren't for show if they're properly used. Ukraine hasn't used them effectively. Russia also had problems in its early campaign.
You chat so much crap.
The war is Ukraine versus Russia. Nato could pull funding tomorrow and nothing would've happened. It can keep funding Ukraine, and nothing will happen. It is not fighting Russia. It doesn't matter what it does or doesn't. Russia has not gone to war against Nato. It is fighting Ukraine. It really hasn't defeated it yet, or anything else.
Rhetoric suggest it's Russia versus Nato, it causes morale, if it's the reason for hosility, because when it's your brother, Ukraine, people ask why. It plays them off. It needs reasons. No Russia isn't fighting Nato. Not yet. Not properly. Yes it is fighting Nato if you're a Russian. Or perhaps if you're in Nato. But as a European or American. They're not fighting Russia. Ukraine are, and who were they. Nobody else.
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No. There were talks in Saudi Arabia that (1) excluded Russia and (2) started from Ukraine's premise that pre-USA disaster, no-longer-existing (former) Ukraine would be magically restored. . . and only then could peace discussions begin. Zelensky is a [edit] Servant of The Synagogue of Satan , a [/edit] traitor, an enemy of the former Ukraine. Only a complete fool would ever call these "peace talks". They were for show. China participated. I think it, China, wants to see who is singing which tune.
Ukraine is not in a position to use tanks effectively, and it never (again) will be. It is not in a position to have an army; it is not in a position to exist. Ukraine is a corpse in a bath of US taxpayers' money, arbitrary billions of US money. The fate of NATO is - probably - at stake.
I mean (you don't know, but) look at what I showed you before https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/13-august-ukrainian-defence-forces-continue-offensive-operations Ukraine is hardly even fighting. The Billions aren't going to Ukraine, they're being drained from the dying USA.
Saudi/China. Many others. It wasn't only those nations.
More are concern with what. Tell me their concerns and why Ukraine thinks it matters more.
The shortages on crop and energy are causing concerns. Set to cause how much more conflict globally.
Automatically it presumes talking points. But it means nothing else. Ukraine's output has fallen regardless. It will take years before it has the same yields, its surplus, distribution, and infrastructure are irreparable for years.
However this conflict was designed to cause what. That is why it drags. They're both in on it, causing. A shift in geopolitics, new methods of trade, and industry.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/13/7415369/
I really laugh at this shit. They got it so wrong, but they continue to flick mud at that wall and hope it sticks.
They're hoping to precipitate a rift between the two. Because of oh my god the coup.
Instead of it being the double bluff it was. Are Wagner's position better or worse. What is that position doing and why. If Wagner were out of the loop why Niger then?
Everyday those reactors fire up hoping mud sticks to a wall. Who reads it. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war
No war causes it, and we never heard about Ukrainians until today. Their pointless stories. I don't remember minesweepers given so much air time, ever. In fact it doesn't get aired when it's your national army doing their job. Aw poor Sergay. He needs your charity. No sir. Fuck off.
Sorry, but you really have not been paying attention:
This is the current situation. While cycling new recruits through the front line, not using any conscripts, and largely relying on a they-did-well but rag-tag private army, this is how things currently are. Attacks this week in * Western* Ukraine, most of the major electricity systems destroyed (Ukraine has (I mean, 'had') an electric rail system - now, moving tanks 1000km to the front lines is effectively impossible. Hence the tiny new tank deployments - 300 tanks are being lost each month), large concentrations of troops near Odessa. Open land to the east of Kiev, and see here https://liveuamap.com/ for the large Russian buildup behind the borders to the north of Kiev. Russian doesn't even want Ukraine.
Anyway, this is the current situation. Note the troops to the north of Kiev. Just waiting for the Ukrainian collapse:
https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/12august2023_Ukraine_map.jpg
Russia had been building that force for months now. Apparently 100k troops with tanks and artillery and carriers. It hasn't done much with them yet. Will it?
It's also playing a longer game. If this happens then that.
You're speculating. Russia doesn't want Ukraine. It has integrated parts of the Ukraine already. They are Russian. If it didn't want Ukraine? I mean what about that. It's simply it hasn't taken more, not for better trying.
Odessa could take years to seige. If it's still an objective. That's part of the problem. There isn't an objective. What is it. Defend parts. What parts. Attack parts which parts. Ukraine kill Russians objectively. Russia is now defensive and still making slow offensive ground in Donetsk.
Most recent reports Ukrainian propaganda was it was opening beaches along Odessa for the public/Summer. Not much has been happening along that front since the grain was diverted. It is still under bombardment but not as sustained since Kherson.
Will Russia retake Kharkiv and Sumy, and surround Kiev? Nope not this year.
Who knows what happens and who cares.
No. It has taken the parts of Ukraine that are Russian speaking and that want to be part of Russia. Putin, as a spokesman for Russia, has said many times that he/Russia does not want parts of the former Ukraine that do not want to be part of Russia. Now, it is possible that Russia will drive across Ukraine to the Polish border. But those parts of Ukraine will either return to Poland or become part of a Rump Ukraine, but Russia will has said that it will not incorporate them.
Odessa is Russian speaking and could - and should - be part of Russia. Ukraine is over. Ukraine is the same NATO success as Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Whatever is left of Ukraine, a Rump or partitioned, and neutral, will not be part of NATO. Hopefully NATO will be destroyed: NATO is pure evil.
Well, off the top of my head: The bridges to Moldova have been destroyed, eliminating any chance of land support from NATO; the ports' storage facilities have been destroyed; supported, dug in, Russian troops are behind defensive lines about 40 km from Odessa.
Russia is engaging in a process that will be added to the textbooks of war. Behind multiple defensive lines they are actively inviting attacks that result in the deaths of 100s or 1000's of attackers. The preservation of Russian soldiers' lives, on the other hand, is paramount. This is the controlled demolition of the Ukrainian army (== population). Zelensky's (i.e. NATO's) public abandonment this week of gang-pressing probably means USA cannon fodder will be imported. I don't think that any European country's population is stupid enough to sacrifice itself. So Team USA it is.
I kindof agree. In the future we will see, the reality. Speculation is pointless.
No. It has taken. Hahaha. It was all Russian speaking. I didn't think Ukrainian was even a language, rather it was just a dialect of Russian. Until it make belief some other Starwar's language. Kiev as a city goes back thousands of years. Then Zelenskyy came along, and next thing it's called, forget about it. It was all Russian speaking. Until today it reinvented a dialect.
Russia hasn't won shit. It hasn't been decisive. It thought to take territory instead of victory. What territory. No, which. Borders. No. Half. No. This and that. Not that. That has let them arm. Can't take that. Just this. Not that.
By taking territory, it has put itself in a position of conflict. It cannot make peace. It has taken parts of it. So it must beat the rest of the Ukraine, or Ukraine arms, and it continues to get funded. Because Russia hasn't beaten it. It has beaten the Russian speaking parts. Which parts did Russia win?
None is that answer, unless you're Russian. Because it still hasn't beat Ukraine. Maybe then, Russia will get some peace or the territory it desires.
Tell me what was that objective? The other's was simple. Defeating Russia. I cannot say Russia's was beating Ukraine. Not conventionally anyway.
On a higher level of reasoning, one we're not party too, there is an agenda, and it already knows and understands how far this goes. Why it's even played.
Naively you assume it plays. It plays to beat sides not even fighting. Sounds dumb. It could drag them in, anyway. Why not risk it. So it doesn't escalate? If it uses proxies, it's contained. So it isn't direct warfare, and it loses more, from nukes, or whatever. That already signals communication; Demands, concessions. But at the same time emphatically stating it will defeat the other. Although it makes no other attempt to be decisive. Both sides. It simply drags itself out, hoping to win at much larger attrition, if it holds out, the other will ceed ground and lose.
This is happening while what else is happening, globally? Absurdly.
It never used Belarus. It didn't lock the opposing border down. It didn't match offensives with its own. It sat there. It hasn't pressured another flank. Instead it bides its time. Recklessly. The other will never stop. It never fully crushed command structures, coms, and ultilies. Almost no other warfare on this Planet has been fought as archiacally. None. Unless we go back to seige warfare with high walls. Most warfare fights with a purpose to overthrow, crush, disable, destroy. They don't fight for the purpose of causing degradation.
There is another agenda behind this conflict. Where it ironically drags out.
You assume it's some lofty goal of beating Nato. Or defeating Russia. Nope. Not without direct warfare. It hasn't, yet. So why now?
Tell me, it isn't you down voting? Call that faggot out. The nigger troll faggot tranny stalker baits people talking. Purposefully. How do they even know I am online? Mod. A disgusting degenerate. Or are they really that sad they click on my name for new content. How many times a day? I am guessing Mod. A real dumb nigger. What ethnicity? What background? It's why this forum has praise Jesus, bhudda savior crap, Flat Earth every 5 minutes.
Why are you going over old posts. Why are you replying to posts 2 weeks old.
You're a nigger faggot stalker. Look at that. How did you find the topic, and why?
I am definately a nigger faggot stalker. Also, my tone was off: why was I so negative and aggressive? You were just making conversation.
My bad.
I only browse these sites (voat, poal, *.win) one day a week . . . so 7 days later .
You had a go at me.
I am pissed I keep getting trolled. Some cunt/s a nigger, faggot, tranny, stalker is clicking on my name and post history and down voting it.
They're from Reddit, and think this site works that way. There's a scoring system to posting. It's put me in a mood this person is doing this.
They're a complete freak. But have found other freaks on here. They have a multiple account, and bait. I can say about 3 of their accounts, no point. They believe God made a Flat Earth. They hang about this forum airing non stop garbage. Like nukes aren't real.
However when you clicked on stuff from 8 days ago, it caused alarm. Only that faggot would do that. Every downvote I have is from that nigger. They aren't even black. But none the less, they're a nigger.
You're wrong there has been peace talks. But they went no where with them. Like every other attempt. Laughably Ukraine thinks the rest of the World cares, and if it beats Russia the World will care more. Unfortunately the only people who think Ukraine beating Russia matters, is the West funding it. They don't care much at all. They scream at every opportunity jumping up down on rooftops if Ukraine gains a bombed out village and loses 1000 men and 30 armoured vehicles taking it. It means the counter offensive is succeeding.
So there will be no peace with such absurdity. Not in any current government deciding on how much more funding buys how many more, call it what you like.
But this is a long conflict. It won't be done anytime soon. Not this year. This time next year, campaigning elections, is when real fatigue will have set in, if any results are as nonsensical. It is already being aired in the press now, that it's becoming ridiculous. All that money hasn't bought shit. At what point does it keep buying shit. Well it ups the ante. Longer range missiles, more drones, perhaps fighter jets. It keeps provoking escalation, just to keep it in the press. At what point, does it make any difference?
Russia is also dragging its feet objectively. It is using this conflict like the West for larger Geopolitical goals. When does it counter offensive? It mobilised. Too what extent remains current. But surely it would've built a secondary force. It has, too what extent remains. When does it cause a surgical strike. Another major capture. Or putting that fight in a position of dictating terms. If it doesn't, it's only defending. That Conflict, is entering another decade, since Ukraine fractured. Surely now it's caused a convergence, but it still isn't Nato fighting Russia. It's the same proxy in conflict.
Objectively this conflict is what. Defeating Russia via proxy. But Russia objectively isn't beating the proxy. You assume it's beating Nato. Hahaha. No. Ukraine is the other guy.