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A rebuttal of the idea that Satan is actually an alien... (www.youtube.com)
posted 2 years ago by honestn8 2 years ago by honestn8 +10 / -2
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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I keep noticing such an odd phenomenon, a "black hole" even for the tiny few that are aware of it.

Starting at 7:23, both the guest and the host on the "original podcast" mention "helel ben shahar". Neither one of them makes any comment about it whatsoever. The host of the "rebuttal podcast" stops to comment immediately thereafter but makes no reference to it himself.

Personally, I found that phrase to be key in my research, and there I found it laying in plain sight in the Bible. How could it's importance be missed all these centuries? Had I made a grave error in my understanding of it?

The more I see people that talk like they're so certain of their research walk right past it, the less surprised I am it has gone (publicly) disregarded.

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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Yes, you're got the genealogy right. But that brings up the issue that everyone so bizarrely steers around seemingly without thought: why does Satan even have a genealogy?

I'll have to listen to the show you linked, but I notice in the writeup they do precisely the same thing. They're talking about "lucifer" and "venus". Do you see how that's exactly the opposite direction from the one I point towards?

That is, some time long ago, some guy sat down and wrote the words "helel ben shahar". Just as we all do when we sit down to write, he had something in mind which he wished to communicate. What we're after is what he had in mind.

That's the direction we go towards, not towards what the Greeks or Romans or King James or anyone else had to say about it thousands of years later. Put that way, it seems quite ridiculous to even discuss them. The importance of what they said is only to help us unwind how we got to where we are now.

That Satan has a genealogy should catch our attention the way a discussion of the suspension system of Cinderella's carriage would. You'd say to yourself, "Hang on, is this really just a fairy tale, or was something real being described? If so, what can we learn about that real thing"

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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Right, "satan" is a just an adjective, but you have to flip your thinking around on the concept of "naming". These ancient aliens went by many names, but guess what? So do modern humans.

Take, for example, the modern human that ran for President against Trump in 2016. In one short human lifespan, you can probably think up two dozen different "names" by which she has been referred to: Hillary Rodham, Senator Clinton, First Lady of Arkansas, Hillbeast, HRC, Mrs. Clinton, Secretary Clinton, The Next President of the United States, Hellary, etc, etc. Think how flexible we need to be to track entities that live for millennia known by numerous cultures worldwide.

As to Satan's genealogy, think of the black hole that exists around it. We all just assumed that God created Satan for some reason, or perhaps that Satan always existed. The "authorities" just told us whatever was convenient to their argument at the the time, but mostly they ignored the evidence and were silent. How can that be considered "theology"?

The "scholars" decline to give an explanation of the evidence we have at hand. So not only do I demand such an explanation, I give one. What, then, shall we think of the "scholars" and "authorities"?

It turns out these is quite a strong, simple and precise connection between Masonry, Babylon, and Satan. To tell you, though, gives away some of the game, and your acceptance will be much stronger if you discover these things for yourself. Ask me about it later, if you're still wondering.

I still have yet to watch the Hancock/Biglino interview. I worry, though, that Biglino will be "turned". That very thing happened to Alan Alford. Better watch close to see if I start changing my tune!

Lucifer was indeed an El, but the Elohim are not human. Gen 1:1 was intentionally damaged, and put back together it reads, "The Father of the Beginnings created the Elohim, the heavens and the Earth." (See Michal Ledwith for details.) So the Elohim Really, the function of the sentence is to establish clearly that the Elohim preexisted humans.

Later in Genesis, Man is created. With a correct understanding of "in our image", we find that that it was through genetic engineering. So properly understood, humans are some part Elohim. That explains why the Elohim can interbreed with humans. Also, it explains why the resulting Nephilim were giants. Hybrids, such as ligers, may lack the gene for regulating growth.

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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I feel like everything important that I've discovered has just been an accident, not any type of inspiration. One question that intrigues me just leads to another and to another and then it's like, "Whoa, check out this thing here!" It's the opposite of efficient but it does have a couple of benefits.

One is that it help prevent bias confirmation. I'm never looking for evidence of what I already think, I'm just looking for a good answer to my question. I find that's the opposite of what most everyone else does. They never pose questions to themselves, and they'll take as evidence anything that supports what they already think.

The other benefit is that by wandering around, you're exposed to more truths. There are no unimportant truths, just ones that are less interesting and less immediately relevant.

The idea is that truth is like a giant, smooth, flat bed sheet. There are no wrinkles, no holes, and every thread is eventually connected to every other. Knowing a variety of truths imposes a discipline which I notice others acutely lack. That is, if you come across some truth that seems to contradict some other truth you already know, one or both have to give. The result flattens that wrinkle or mends that tear.

Like, did you ever notice that someone who disagrees with you on social media calls you a dumbshit by the second post, if not right in the first? That's strong evidence of how very little truth they know. Otherwise, why not bring it forward to iron it out between the two of you? Sad commentary on how much people know about the world.

Anyway, as to the last thing you said, it's not quite what you describe but I would definitely recommend to anyone that to properly process information they're taking on board, they have to let their mind wander and not be continuously "consuming". I can't tell you the number of times I've been taking a walk listening to a boring podcast when my mind starts to wander and... bam, I come to some realization about something that had been cooking in the back of my mind.

I don't go out of my way to fast-forward or skip boring episodes of podcasts for just that reason.

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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Oh hey, forgot to address the topic of "Satan's purpose".

As I mentioned before, I had concluded that there was some sort of a deal in place between Yahweh and Satan. I put that together from the tiniest of clues, and was trying to deduce the shape of it.

I stumbled across a much more explicit description of the deal. One of Satan's many names was Iblis, which is how he is known to the Muslims. I haven't researched the details, but in this article we find a summary:

Because of his arrogance, Allah banished Iblis from heaven and condemned him to hell. Iblis accepted his fate, but asked that he might be spared until Judgement Day so that he could tempt humans from the path of righteousness and lead them to the same fate that would eventually befall him. Allah granted this, but did not give Iblis power over humans. Instead, if they were to be led from the righteous path, it would have to be because of their own temptations and transgressions.

I found it quite startling. Do you see how we find parts and pieces of the story, corrupted and out of context though they may be? For example, he wasn't "banished to hell", but marooned on Earth with all of us jokers. It's difficult work to put it all back together, but I believe it's possible.

I do sometimes wish for a visitation from an "angel", who'll say, "Okay, let me just break this down for you...."

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– Primate98 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I have a trivial reason (literally, it's trivia) to think the Anunnaki spoke Sumerian and taught it to us humans.

The Voyager space probes that were headed out of the Solar System contained golden LPs put together by Carl Sagan with various types of data. One part contained greetings in 55 languages. The very first one: Sumerian.

That should be noted as odd because the last native speaker died about 4,000 years ago. Why would Sagan include it?

In the photo section, there are only two pictures of Earth from space: one of Egypt and the other of Sumer. Why those places and not, say, the good old USA where the probes were launched?

I think Sagan was hip to the Anunnaki. In the end he chose a career as a science popularizer as a better way to get through to people. But I think he could not resist including a wink and a hat tip just in case someone out there might recognize the sights and sounds of their home away from home.

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– Mrexreturns 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The idea of Satan is actually an explanation by Vatican-era Christians normalizing their Blood God religion to deride literally anything they don't like.

Even in the original Bible/Talmud, Satan is a high ranking Angel sent to "test people's inner strength".

Might as well as ask if "God is an alien".

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– cablez 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Yes...Biblical God is indeed an alien. The ones the Sumars wrote about. Just rebranded and White now. :D

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– Vlad_The_Impaler 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

Christianity makes all of this confusing. For example are Devil, Satan, Lucifer all the same being? How often is each word utilized in the bible. Do other religions refer to this being similarly? Not sure I would want to deep dive into studying EVIL or who rules EVIL because that can be a dark spiraling path for a pessimist cynical person such as myself. I'll just stick to impalements.

Currently I believe in an evil SPIRIT. what to call it exactly. I rarely, no.....never call it lucifer. Sometimes i say satan sometimes devil. I think the evil spirit could possibly possess or fill anyone, though usually it is jews.

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– freedomlogic 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I always thought it was strange how satan is attributed to being a dragon.

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– Vlad_The_Impaler 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

I didn't get to the alien part but I enjoyed some of the other discussion in the video.

Specifically I liked the parts that he dated the papyrus sources for specific portions of the bible, in an attempt to date them and cite some source of record from which the biblical scripture came. I also like that they perform some etymology which is important when studying ancient text. He even mentions that the part of John when Jesus is confronting the Jews before the confrontation in the temple is from papyrus 90. Although he may be slightly off since I believe John chapter 8 was what he was referring to but papyrus 90 is John 18:36 - 19:7 dating back to 2nd century.

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