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posted 3 years ago by pkvi 3 years ago by pkvi +16 / -0
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– CrazyRussian 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You mean like how Pfizer just got done paying a record fine before then going on to poison every with the help of the government.

Of course not. I mean real responsibility. When every single person damaged by bad medicine could not only bankrupt producer, but also make criminal charges for physical harm.

Just like truck driver could be charged for accident.

No, the only way is war and then to remake our society. No less.

So, you are talking about replacing capitalism with something else? I'm all ears.

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– Vlad_The_Impaler 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Capitalism is just a form of economy.

How about rebuild a nation with a distinct PEOPLE?

The USA was originally founded by immigrants from NORTHERN and WESTERN Europe. They were WHITE EUROPEAN immigrants and mostly CHRISTIAN.

A nation is a PEOPLE. A country is a regional area with enforced borders.

We currently do not have a nation and do not have a country. It's open borders and a clusterfuck of odd people from around the world who do not get along and can't get along because they are culturally too different. Do you want to listen to the loud siren call for prayer five times a day to prove your TOLERANCE for Islam? I don't either.

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– CrazyRussian 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

How about rebuild a nation with a distinct PEOPLE?

To do that, you need a place where you could welcome distinct people, i.e. new country. I see no realistic way to do it in any existing country.

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

How will you prevent lying advertizing, buying MSM, selling shit for profit?

Ulike with shitty phone,pharma things are different. You can't just buy another, better drug, you already have irreversable damage of your health.

So you propose some kind of capitalism where every business is free to sell anything and advertize anything without any government intervention, but for pharma there would be some limitations?

I just can't get your whole picture - free trade, OK, but then big pharma immidiately will be on their regular rails - advertize panacea, sell shit with enormous profit, run from any complaint asking victims to prove that it is their pharma shit do the damage, that is nearly impossible because insanely expensive because its the same pharma that make all med and bio tech and reagents.

I understand how free trade could perfectly work with food production, consumer tech, even building and weapons. But there is areas where free trade is a direct way for awful damage.

You are asking for faith in a system right now that can not exist.

No, I asking about how the drawback of free trade apllied to certain areas of human life could be mitigated, or, may be there is another solution, outside kind of free trade we name capitalism.

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– CrazyRussian 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You have such a negative perspective of society

I would not say "negative", I'll prefer term "foggy". I believe that there is multiple ways of society evolution toward the more honest and fair one. But, when somebody describe that good future society, the exact details are always omitted. However, details are very important, because devil could hide in them.

Aym not saying there is not cyclical greed that eventually takes over

I think greed is more or less resolvable. For grred to exist there should be some kind of deficit of some resource. Money, gold, art, food, whatever. If resource is unlimited or not needed anymore, there could not be any greed. Also, greed could be mitigated by society rules. It could be just inapropritate to be greedy, like it is inapropriate to shit in public places, without posiibility to hide behind all that "antisemitism" calls. Or it could be punished by society forcefully.

So there is a ways to strike out greed from equation, but without mentioning one of them, it is senseless to talk about better society.

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