No. It has Sevastopol on it, it is one of the largest Russian military bases. In fact it has about 3 Russian military bases, or probably more, aircraft, naval, shipyards, troops. No they didn't annex it if it has about a 90% Russian population. Try doing that to anybody else. What happens. It's very complicated.
But your view is misguided.
However I might agree the Crimea presented a much larger problem to Ukrainian coastline. Smack in the center of it. It claims the surrounding waters. Now with the separation oblasts and Islands under Russian soveriegnity. Ukraine has no more coastline. Virtually none, any waters by Odesa have also disappeared with the nearby Islands also under Russian control.
By not recognising it was Russian is how this conflict began. Possession big bases on it, emphatically makes it Russian. It didn't need to annex it. It simply was. Annex was the two oblasts above it, and the two original separation oblasts next to Russia, these were in Civil war since the Ukrainian coup. A matter of due course occurred by rejecting it is Russian.
It is what it is. It's gonna take something else to bring peace.
Ukraine was severely damaged today. The West can give them more weapons but after an attack like today it might be like throwing money away. A few more attacks like today and Ukrains infrastructure is mostly gone. Not a real Country and a disaster to live there.
My bet is we see a peace negotiation, maybe in next two months.
Russia had a bunch of fresh missiles come in as announced a couple of weeks ago.
And now they are probably out for a while again.
If they had done this day 1 instead of wasting a week walking aimlessly around it would have been a 3day war.
They allowed us to send in weapons which would not have been possible if they went all out day 1.
Hundreds of thousands of people are dead, hundreds of billions in infrastructure is ruined, the world economy is out trillions and the repercussions of this are nightmare fuel for everyone that has half a clue on how reliant we are of shit made half a world away as that is going to be devolving in chaos.
Interesting points. It does make one wonder how much of this, if not all, is just a movie that is mostly predetermined. The way it is going, we don't know how it will end. WWIII with Nato, US, West, etc. pushing Russia is seeming more likely but I think there are too many calm heads in US who won't let that happen. (I literally pray.)
I'll imagine Trump coming in and brokering a peace deal, but things are not looking good for peace.
It wasn't severely damaged outside of the illusion. An illusion that dented their normality. Larger attacks hitting home occur. 4 months since hitting Kiev. Awhile since some other places hit.
Weapons are immediately being sent to them. Air defenses are immediately going to Kiev. They already have major pledges of weapons on route from France, UK, and America.
I doubt it gives any pause to this conflict.
Meanwhile 3rd party peace ambassadors are enroute to discuss it.
No, it won't have done much else. Ukraine will keep attacking in the way they have.
They knocked out power, sewage, govt buildings, etc. This was a pretty heavy attack in my opinion. Heavy enough that there are some that see peace deals on the horizon. Anyway, I hope peace comes, but it seems, oddly enough, that the only Country that wants peace and has tried is Russia. Go figure.
It was still a protectorate. They never assumed it wouldn't be allied. The Crimea relied on the Ukraine, water, resources, like Ukraine once relied on Russia. The steelworks nearby once made steel for shipyards, and trains, and heavy Russian industry, military, and civilian.
What border do you specifically refer too? The supposed gift of it? It was never that gift. Not in that sense. Not the way that worked. Waterways and use. Would the base disappear. No. Not how that gift worked. It was to insure cooperation. Not the way the EU or Nato proceeded there. But it is what it is, and what it isn't is Ukrainian.
But hell I am not Russian. Don't care. But I am not stupid enough to assume it meant what these idiots today do. Because it didn't.
Border shared, they spoke freaking Russian, it was an open border all the way up until today's conflict and the last few years of bullshit. Where hell it's textbook border dispute. Textbook how to ignite the indigenous population, freaking dispute the simple geography. Hahaha it happens everytime. Some mountain, peninsula, river, and the tribals become cannibals.
I see that now. They built it on annexed land in 2016. Very curious.
No. It has Sevastopol on it, it is one of the largest Russian military bases. In fact it has about 3 Russian military bases, or probably more, aircraft, naval, shipyards, troops. No they didn't annex it if it has about a 90% Russian population. Try doing that to anybody else. What happens. It's very complicated.
But your view is misguided.
However I might agree the Crimea presented a much larger problem to Ukrainian coastline. Smack in the center of it. It claims the surrounding waters. Now with the separation oblasts and Islands under Russian soveriegnity. Ukraine has no more coastline. Virtually none, any waters by Odesa have also disappeared with the nearby Islands also under Russian control.
By not recognising it was Russian is how this conflict began. Possession big bases on it, emphatically makes it Russian. It didn't need to annex it. It simply was. Annex was the two oblasts above it, and the two original separation oblasts next to Russia, these were in Civil war since the Ukrainian coup. A matter of due course occurred by rejecting it is Russian.
It is what it is. It's gonna take something else to bring peace.
Ukraine was severely damaged today. The West can give them more weapons but after an attack like today it might be like throwing money away. A few more attacks like today and Ukrains infrastructure is mostly gone. Not a real Country and a disaster to live there.
My bet is we see a peace negotiation, maybe in next two months.
Russia had a bunch of fresh missiles come in as announced a couple of weeks ago. And now they are probably out for a while again.
If they had done this day 1 instead of wasting a week walking aimlessly around it would have been a 3day war. They allowed us to send in weapons which would not have been possible if they went all out day 1.
Hundreds of thousands of people are dead, hundreds of billions in infrastructure is ruined, the world economy is out trillions and the repercussions of this are nightmare fuel for everyone that has half a clue on how reliant we are of shit made half a world away as that is going to be devolving in chaos.
Interesting points. It does make one wonder how much of this, if not all, is just a movie that is mostly predetermined. The way it is going, we don't know how it will end. WWIII with Nato, US, West, etc. pushing Russia is seeming more likely but I think there are too many calm heads in US who won't let that happen. (I literally pray.)
I'll imagine Trump coming in and brokering a peace deal, but things are not looking good for peace.
It wasn't severely damaged outside of the illusion. An illusion that dented their normality. Larger attacks hitting home occur. 4 months since hitting Kiev. Awhile since some other places hit.
Weapons are immediately being sent to them. Air defenses are immediately going to Kiev. They already have major pledges of weapons on route from France, UK, and America.
I doubt it gives any pause to this conflict.
Meanwhile 3rd party peace ambassadors are enroute to discuss it.
No, it won't have done much else. Ukraine will keep attacking in the way they have.
They knocked out power, sewage, govt buildings, etc. This was a pretty heavy attack in my opinion. Heavy enough that there are some that see peace deals on the horizon. Anyway, I hope peace comes, but it seems, oddly enough, that the only Country that wants peace and has tried is Russia. Go figure.
I wonder why Yeltsin and Kravchuk would agree to a border, knowing this would result...
It was still a protectorate. They never assumed it wouldn't be allied. The Crimea relied on the Ukraine, water, resources, like Ukraine once relied on Russia. The steelworks nearby once made steel for shipyards, and trains, and heavy Russian industry, military, and civilian.
What border do you specifically refer too? The supposed gift of it? It was never that gift. Not in that sense. Not the way that worked. Waterways and use. Would the base disappear. No. Not how that gift worked. It was to insure cooperation. Not the way the EU or Nato proceeded there. But it is what it is, and what it isn't is Ukrainian.
But hell I am not Russian. Don't care. But I am not stupid enough to assume it meant what these idiots today do. Because it didn't.
Border shared, they spoke freaking Russian, it was an open border all the way up until today's conflict and the last few years of bullshit. Where hell it's textbook border dispute. Textbook how to ignite the indigenous population, freaking dispute the simple geography. Hahaha it happens everytime. Some mountain, peninsula, river, and the tribals become cannibals.