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Putin will rather drop nukes than concede defeat therefore Ukraine should surrender and anyone who disagrees is a warmonger.
posted 3 years ago by SmokeAndMirrors 3 years ago by SmokeAndMirrors +5 / -7

Did I get that right?

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– CrazyRussian 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

He will do anything his NWO masters tell him. I will not be surprised if he will withdraw military from recently acquired regions and say something that it is for greater good and against globalism.

However, not every action will be accepted nicely by Russian population and even significant part of Russian elite. Then, things could become much more interesting, and not about nukes, but about further strategy in the war against globalists, that could become real that time, not just populists words without any real harm.

So, Putin have to carefully decide his real actions, to comfort his NWO master from one side and not to anger highly anti-NWO forces in Russia. I think it is much more complex task, than one for Western leaders, who have no any serious anti-NWO opposition in public, elites, business and industry.

Interesting, that it is mostly West who talk about nukes, not Russian officials (official position - nukes is a last resort weapon that will be used in case of inevitable destruction of Russian state, not for some tactical goals on battlefield). In Russia, for strange coincidence, mostly ones who lost a lot of property and wealth they have in Western countries talk much about nukes - TV celebrities (of whatever side), different media "experts" and other crap. Even oligarch thieves who lost much more, are completely quiet about nukes.

As I said earlier, highly probably, nuke fearmongering is a replacement of coronahoax, vaccinehoax, whateverohoax fearmongering topics, targeted mostly to western audience. I don't think NWO is really ready to get a planet-wide radioactive desert as a place for their building back better. The only disturbing thing in all that nukehoax narrative are popped up articles about using nukes "to fight climatechange". I'm afraid they are insane enough to really try to "lower Earth temperature" by such means. But there are no way to do it without moving into the global scale nuclear war.

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– xolotltlaloc 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

i believe the people in the "invaded" lands want russia to stay.

if russia doesn't stay, it will create long term tension.

it's done. move on.

let's talk about palestine

or does that make me an antisemite ?

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– EndlessRant 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

Op is a retard.

Anyone who cannot understand history and how the west brought this war to Russia needs a new brain.

Anyone who claims that Russia started this shit is retarded.

Anyone who supports Ukraine has to be a Zionist khazarian. Fucking devil worshipping child trafficker.

Russia is simply reacting to the war that has been raging against them for hundreds of years.

The khazarian parasites have been using the west for thousands of years.

Idiots like the op should learn to learn. What a waste of skin you are. How do you even get through the day being such a shill for the devil worshippers?

Do you eat your own shit also? I would not be surprised.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -1 points 3 years ago +2 / -3

Anyone who claims that Russia started this shit is retarded.

You fucking Russki shills still claim that Russia didn't invade Ukraine?

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– EndlessRant 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

You brainless simp can't comprehend time before February 24th?

You ignorant buffoons cannot understand what happened in 2014?

Too stupid to acknowledge the documents Russia presented to NATO and USA December 2021?

Your a complete waste of skin shill. Beat it loser.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -1 points 3 years ago +2 / -3

Did Putin invade Ukraine, yes or no?

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– EndlessRant 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Did USA overthrow Ukraine democratic government in 2014? Yes or no?

Did NATO flood weapons and training into Russia's neighbor for past 8 years. Yes or no.

Did Cia first headquarters appear in Ukraine in the late 40s. Yes or no.

Has the west waged open war against Russia for over 500 years nonstop. Yes or no.

Do you like sucking dick as much as you like writing dumb questions. I expect a yes here.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -2 points 3 years ago +1 / -3

Delicious Russki tears. Give me more.

Heard of Karan railway station already?

BOOM BABY! SAINT HIRMAS IS KNOCKING.

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– EndlessRant 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Shills r busy today again. Have fun with your khazarian masters shill

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– Lasereyes -1 points 3 years ago +2 / -3

Op is the most inbred pedo fed possible.

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– EndlessRant 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Ahh yes. Another brain-dead leftist with obvious mental disorders wants to say something to me.

Go back to your MSM and Reddit lefty.

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– Lasereyes 0 points 3 years ago +2 / -2

You're not op, retard. I wasn't insulting you.

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– JP_TheKookyShrink -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

inbred

I sincerely doubt OP is a Trump supporting maga retard, bud.

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– Lasereyes -2 points 3 years ago +1 / -3

Oh, you're the inbred I was talking about.

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– Ep0ch -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

That is the conundrum.

  1. Peace

  2. Ukraine is defeated

  3. Russia uses nukes

There is no peace without Ukraine being defeated. Russia cannot lose if it has nukes. An oxymoron.

Making the odds of nukes almost a certainity, because the West is calling on Russia to lose.

What indeed with such hindsight is the Western response to any nukes. Has anybody thought that through?

No. If we listen to some people it's the Armageddon. Hang on. Ukraine isn't my president. I know everybody thinks they are. Because It makes all of our stuff, all of it, food, electricity, housing, currency, you name it and the Ukraine makes it. It's why it's the Armageddon? I mean we can't let Russia win that stuff, and we can't let Ukraine get nuked, because all of our stuff gets vaporised, all of it. So we must stop nukes by using even more nukes. It's the only way to Armaggedon. We have too, despite nobody voting for it, I guess we wouldn't be informed. We'd just go and launch all of the nukes, to stop all of our stuff getting destroyed. And we can't let that happen. There's no way, we'd let our stuff get destroyed. Ukraine makes all of it.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -7 points 3 years ago +1 / -8
  1. Russia is not using nukes.

You forgot about that one.

Besides, should the world just let every nation with nukes do what they want?

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– Ep0ch 0 points 3 years ago +1 / -1

You missed the conclusion.

Yes the odds Russia uses nukes are absolute. Pause. On the eventuality it is forced to retreat. Almost 100% inevitable on that conclusion. There is a margin of if it collapses internally prior. But that is almost counter intuitive. It would eat bugs historically first.

Ukraine cannot lose either on the forgone conclusion it is forcing Russian withdrawal. It is being armed and increasingly to beat Russia.

Making the use of nukes in the highest probability.

There is only peace if Ukraine ceeds territory. It however is 100% not prepared to do to so, not even marginally. Not even the Crimea.

Therefore it must be defeated first. Pushing the odds of nukes into a certainty.

Or what are you going to pull out of that hat? A peace deal presumably. Much further off. In the meantime there is only escalation. It is becoming blundered into.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -6 points 3 years ago +1 / -7

There is only peace if Ukraine ceeds territory.

Bullshit. Putin can stop the war tomorrow by getting his troops the fuck out of Ukraine.

Why are Putinlovers always pretending that this is somehow not possible?

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– Ep0ch 0 points 3 years ago +2 / -2

Yawn, have you been dropped on your head?

Why should Russia, stop, and in its own sovereign territory?

Not happening. Could the West do the same? But you're a fucking SJW. Go picket outside Guam. Go on. Grab your placard and tell America to get lost. Tell it to fuck off Guam and everywhere else American like the Ukraine. Perhaps you should ask it instead, why all of our stuff will get vaporised? Why does Ukraine make all of our stuff on the entire Planet, things of real value like our economies, Ukraine made them. America hasn't, but Ukraine has, would you look at that. Because all of our stuff is getting vaporised if Ukraine loses. I mean all of it. You Zelenskyyy lover.

So what makes you think Russia will give up the Crimea, or anywhere else Russian? It's what you're suggesting. Russia can just go home. Because America can't, and that's because Ukraine makes everything. Everything is made in the Ukraine, or it will just have to get vaporised, if it loses any of our stuff, like the economy to Russia. God damn it. Vaporise it.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -5 points 3 years ago +2 / -7

Why should Russia, stop, and in its own sovereign territory?

What? If I declare your ass to be my sovereign territory would that give me the right to fuck it?

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– Ep0ch 1 point 3 years ago +2 / -1

You dumbass. You don't get it.

There is history, they speak same language, they had sane culture for a very long time.

Besides they voted Russian, didn't you? You're a rapist. No. They voted for peace so Ukraine would stop shooting them. See how that works, it hasn't. But they voted for Russia to protect them. It has the nukes.

Who cares what Ukraine calls it. It didn't make all of our stuff like our economy. That was the president and he is very bad it. There he is calling for Armaggedon. Because the economy has been completely destroyed by Russia? I don't know why Ukraine did this.

Did you want to tell me why Ukraine makes our economy? How it's armageddon if we don't stop Russia?

How are you stopping Russia if it has nukes? By completely destroying the economy obviously? There seems to be no other way. It will just have to get nuked. Everything will get vaporised, because Ukraine made it, and that stops Russia taking it.

It must be very simple like this. It's what you're suggesting. It's easier just to vaporise everything. Arm Ukraine to destroy it, because it can't be Russian either.

Or Buddy it's that conundrum. Again obviously.

Simple course of debate.

  1. Peace Deal

  2. Ukraine is defeated

  3. Russian nukes

There is no peace deal because Ukraine has to get defeated first, and Ukraine cannot conceded to Russia, when it's being armed to defeat Russia. Russia tactically won't be defeated if it has nukes.

An Oxymoron. But call it what you want. Until somebody else makes a peace deal. In the meantime the economy tanks.

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– SmokeAndMirrors [S] -3 points 3 years ago +2 / -5

Are you referring to the sham "referendum"? Who has accepted it? Iran and North Korea? Anyone else?

The war will end when Russia leaves Ukraine. Putin can order it today if he wanted to but he doesn't want.

Russia wants the war to continue and everyone who thinks that Ukraine should roll over and surrender can go move to Russia as far as I am concerned.

Fucking Russki shills.

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